THe RTX 5000 series is gonna be a flop and heres why.

[Guldo]

If the leaks are true nvidia is coming out with a 16 pin power connector wich is devestating news for anyone that prefers nvidia over amd because that means these cards are going to be too big to fit in anyones case and over heating will also become an issue.

Now i can understand why amd is making no high end cards next gen because why even bother.

This definitly has to do with diminishing returns of shrinking the node as they arent getting the same uplift they used to so they have to make up the slack by making the cards bigger.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

It's a mini 16 pin. The same connection already present on almost all RTX 40 cards already. As far as space goes, many AMD GPU already use 2 or 3x 8pin connections so what's your point

The cards wouldn't be any larger then 4070 / 4080 already are. Yes the 4090 is very larger built if you can afford that you can afford a more expensive Case

RTX 40 cards are actually quite small. The large footprint is due to the cooler. Take a 4080 for example, the actual PCB of the GPU is only 1/2 to 1/3 the length of actual GPU card after you apply the cooler

[Guldo]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

It's a mini 16 pin. The same connection already present on almost all RTX 40 cards already. As far as space goes, many AMD GPU already use 2 or 3x 8pin connections so what's your point

The cards wouldn't be any larger then 4070 / 4080 already are. Yes the 4090 is very larger built if you can afford that you can afford a more expensive Case

RTX 40 cards are actually quite small. The large footprint is due to the cooler. Take a 4080 for example, the actual PCB of the GPU is only 1/2 to 1/3 the length of actual GPU card after you apply the cooler

i dont know if i really buy this because graphics cards have been getting bigger and bigger over the years.

compare the size of a 9800GT to what we have now. I have been paying attention to the size creep for a very long time

[PopinFRESH]

As opposed to the two 8pin power connections on the cards before / current AMD cards?

Also, they currently are 16 pin. 12 power & ground + 4 sense pins.

Thirdly, nvidia isn’t “coming out with” the power connector. The PCIe standards body is as part of the PCIe 6 specification; primarily to address the issues with the 12VHPWR connector… which was the connector they made for the PCIe 5 specification that was based on the proprietary nVidia 12pin from the RTX 30 series.

[Guldo]

The cards are definitly gonna be bigger reguardless.

im not blind lol.

https://www.makeuseof.com/graphics-cards-bigger-every-generation/#:~:text=Remember%20how%20we%20mentioned%20that%20the%20higher-end%20a,requiring%20even%20more%20power%20than%20their%20direct%20predecessors

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I don't get why that matters.

It is what it is. We never needed big bulky tower or liquid coolers for cpus either, but here we are... that's been a standard for 10-14 years now.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

The cards are definitly gonna be bigger reguardless.

im not blind lol.

https://www.makeuseof.com/graphics-cards-bigger-every-generation/#:~:text=Remember%20how%20we%20mentioned%20that%20the%20higher-end%20a,requiring%20even%20more%20power%20than%20their%20direct%20predecessors

I never bother with NVIDIA FE cards. I always wait and look at the aftermarket cards.

Plus if they are showing off the RTX 5090 yes it's big. Do people not realize the 4090 is about extremely large even just compared to a 4080. So a 5090 for example does not speak for how big the others would be.

[KalGimpa]

eventually

we are going to need a case that sits next to our pc just for the giant ass gpu's

it is crazy how big and power hungry these things are getting

[Guldo]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

I don't get why that matters.

It is what it is. We never needed big bulky tower or liquid coolers for cpus either, but here we are... that's been a standard for 10-14 years now.

it does matter because cards will eventualy be too big to fit and its not a matter of if but when. compare how much power cards used to use compared to now and thats because every time you shrink the node it becomes more power hungry and there for needs a much bigger heat sink.

[Guldo]

Originally posted by KalCuey:

eventually

we are going to need a case that sits next to our pc just for the giant ass gpu's

it is crazy how big and power hungry these things are getting

i know right. Its basicly entropy kicking in after all these years and people are blinded by normalcy bias to not see size is becoming a problem.

[Guldo]

size goes up every generation. also just because it hasnt gotten too big yet doesnt mean it wont eventualy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9CI9PuBn94

[KalGimpa]

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

Originally posted by KalCuey:

eventually

we are going to need a case that sits next to our pc just for the giant ass gpu's

it is crazy how big and power hungry these things are getting

i know right. Its basicly entropy kicking in after all these years and people are blinded by normalcy bias to not see size is becoming a problem.

i just wonder at what point does shrinking these things become moot

with the need for brick size coolers to keep them running

i have to wonder if it would be better to spread them out so that the cooling is more effective

i do not have any kind of electrical or computer engineering degree, though

so i do not know if them being that close is just as needed as the size, or what

[Guldo]

Originally posted by KalCuey:

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

i know right. Its basicly entropy kicking in after all these years and people are blinded by normalcy bias to not see size is becoming a problem.

i just wonder at what point does shrinking these things become moot

with the need for brick size coolers to keep them running

i have to wonder if it would be better to spread them out so that the cooling is more effective

i do not have any kind of electrical or computer engineering degree, though

so i do not know if them being that close is just as needed as the size, or what

well they cant shrink the size of the node much further anyway because thats also entropy. They are trying to get under 1nm with bismuth but i dont think thats going to pan out either as you can only shrink something so much until theres not enough atoms to hold it together.

This is why the ceo of arm has said we will have to have to increase performance by having better transistors as we have almost reached the point where the node cant be shrunk anymore.

this means we will playeu and that plateu will last for years until a new type of transistor is created and that takes alot longer than shrinking a node.

Nvidia is scared to death of this moment because it essentialy means the price of computer parts will drop like a rock as true upgrades will be well over a decade apart and the consumer finaly wins because you essentialy wont have to upgrade for 10+ years as it will take about that long to come out with a new transistor.

They may try to go below 1nm but its a losing battle. people have fooled themselves into believing we can go smaller because of normalcy bias but what they dont seem to understand even jensen knows they cant really go smaller because he said and i quote "moores law is dead" and it is and this is why jensen has nightmares of going bankrupt.

computers will soon be like cars where age doesnt matter and nothing can stop it.

[nullable]

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

It's a mini 16 pin. The same connection already present on almost all RTX 40 cards already. As far as space goes, many AMD GPU already use 2 or 3x 8pin connections so what's your point

The cards wouldn't be any larger then 4070 / 4080 already are. Yes the 4090 is very larger built if you can afford that you can afford a more expensive Case

RTX 40 cards are actually quite small. The large footprint is due to the cooler. Take a 4080 for example, the actual PCB of the GPU is only 1/2 to 1/3 the length of actual GPU card after you apply the cooler

i dont know if i really buy this because graphics cards have been getting bigger and bigger over the years.

compare the size of a 9800GT to what we have now. I have been paying attention to the size creep for a very long time

My 2080 super was like 2/3's the size of my 1080 ti.

You're oversimplifying things and inferring that a new power connector somehow correlates directly to card size. Would you care to show your work?

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

Originally posted by KalCuey:

eventually

we are going to need a case that sits next to our pc just for the giant ass gpu's

it is crazy how big and power hungry these things are getting

i know right. Its basicly entropy kicking in after all these years and people are blinded by normalcy bias to not see size is becoming a problem.

people care more about performance than the physical size of hardware...

It's not like there's some status quo that exists that needs to be maintained forever. It's not like PC's as they are today will always be that way. Pretending like things changing is a problem might only be a problem for you.

[lsdninja]

nVidia can do what it wants, I don’t plan on buying any of these cards because you know the pricing is going to be utter ♥♥♥♥.

[Guldo]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

i dont know if i really buy this because graphics cards have been getting bigger and bigger over the years.

compare the size of a 9800GT to what we have now. I have been paying attention to the size creep for a very long time

My 2080 super was like 2/3's the size of my 1080 ti.

You're oversimplifying things and inferring that a new power connector somehow correlates directly to card size. Would you care to show your work?

even if the power connector wont do anything to increase size. The fact of the matter is size is going to increase anyway like it does every generation. also the 2080 super wasnt the flagship but the 2080ti for the RTX 2000 series and it is bigger than the 1080ti.

the heatsinks keep getting bigger every generation and this is an irrefutible fact because the cards are becoming more power hungry and produce more heat.