GTX 970 VS GTX 780 ti

[dragonpast]

hi

im in need of help, i was origonaly(cant spell sorry) going to buy an MSI 970 twin frozor but
ive found a really good deal on a Zotac 780ti GHZ edition
there both really simler in performance i really need some help for which one to choose

thanks

[Azza ☠]

GTX 970 is a replacement card for the GTX 780 and will have slightly higher performance than that, using half the wattage required.

GTX 780 Ti therefore would be faster - if you can get one second hand for cheap, go for it!

The GTX 780 series also has 50% wider memory bus interface (384-bit compared to 256-bit).

However, the memory transfer rate is slightly lower (6 GB/s compared to 7 GB/s).

Also the video memory has been increased slightly on GTX 9xx series (3GB compared to 4GB). 4GB is more optimal for future SLIing multiple cards together to be used in a Nvidia Surround (3 gaming monitors) setup. On a single monitor (1080p or 1440p), won't be much of a difference.

Ti version has extra shaders and 15% more performance over the standard card.

Either graphic card is amazingly good for 1080p / 1440p resolutions at high/ultra settings.

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GTX 970 would have higher pixel rate (67.2 GPixels/s vs 52.5 GPixels)

GTX 780 would have higher floating-point rate (5,040 GFLOPS vs 3,494 GFLOPS)

GTX 780 Ti would therefore be approx 10-15% faster than a standard GTX 970. Until the Ti versions of the GTX 9xx series come out in 2015.

[dragonpast]

thanks for the info
also would the new features of the 970 be compatible with the 780 ti

[Azza ☠]

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thanks for the info
also would the new features of the 970 be compatible with the 780 ti

DSR Technology:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology

Will be also avilable for the GTX 7xx series - but might not run as well as the GTX 9xx series can.

All Fermi, Kepler, and Maxwell-class GPU from Nvidia (that includes the GTX 7xx series) are already future proofed to support DirectX 12 when released. So long your Operating System and games support DX12, you can get a freebee performance boost from that using low-level graphic call instructions (up to a whopping 75% additional performance from some of the Nvidia cards).

So yeah, they have really tried to future proof them. The idea is that in 2016 Nvidia Pascal will be another leap, but you won't really need it (overkill) unless going for higher resolutions (such as UltraHD 4K or multiple monitors)... if your happy to stick with your current resolution, the older graphics card will peak out performance so you can stick with them for ages.

What resolution are you running your monitor on?

1080p - It would be overkill and run everything on ultra.
1440p - It would run at high/ultra settings also.

They are pretty sweet gaming cards.

[dragonpast]

i plan to runit on an 1920x1080p moniter, 2 hopefully at a later date
i already know that thee 970 is a good overclocker, how well does the 780 ti overclock?

[Azza ☠]

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i plan to runit on an 1920x1080p moniter, 2 hopefully at a later date
i already know that thee 970 is a good overclocker, how well does the 780 ti overclock?

Zotac 780ti is already an overclocked version... there's two different ones.

AMP! Edition:
Core clock: 1006 MHz (base) 1072 MHz (boost)
Cores: 2,880
Memory Clock: 7200 MHz

and

OC Edition (also known as GHZ):
Core clock: 941 MHz (base) 1006 MHz (boost)
Cores: 2,880
Memory Clock: 7000 MHz

The AMP! version was the predecessor and has the same cooling with a custom PCB. It's the highest clocked GTX 780 you can get out of the box. The problem is that the cooling on the PCB isn't up to par and I've heard of problems with component failures when overclocking past the stock speeds.

The newer OC Edition (ZT-70205-10P) has the same features as the AMP! version but newer driver support and with a more stable factory OC. So even though they have reduced it a little, I would recommend it more.

There SLIing is very good - 3 way SLI will give over 280% performance.

2 monitors will easily run off a single card, note you need at least three monitors if doing Nvidia Surround (for games), due to the center point of a game. The other monitor would be used as an accessory monitor (desktop) otherwise, while the game just runs off one.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

If you only use 1080p monitor then I would get GTX 970, it's more modern card with new features and more then enough for 1080p. Will run two 1080p fine too.
Also Zotac build quality is not that great lately, it used to be good manufacturer like 5 years ago but now not so much.

[dragonpast]

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If you only use 1080p monitor then I would get GTX 970, it's more modern card with new features and more then enough for 1080p. Will run two 1080p fine too.
Also Zotac build quality is not that great lately, it used to be good manufacturer like 5 years ago but now not so much.

thanks for the response, do you know if the new fwature such as global voxal ilumination and dynamic super resulution will work with the 780 ti
thanks

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

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If you only use 1080p monitor then I would get GTX 970, it's more modern card with new features and more then enough for 1080p. Will run two 1080p fine too.
Also Zotac build quality is not that great lately, it used to be good manufacturer like 5 years ago but now not so much.

thanks for the response, do you know if the new fwature such as global voxal ilumination and dynamic super resulution will work with the 780 ti
thanks

They are currently GTX 970, 980 exclusive. There have been some talk about making the DSR available for 780, 780 Ti too, no idea when though.

[dragonpast]

thanks, still no closer to chooseing though

[Azza ☠]

What's the price difference? Depending on that, highly consider the GTX 780 Ti if you can get it cheap, you won't be disappointed and it will still be overkill for 1080p resolution anyways. Run slightly faster than a GTX 970 as well.

If your looking for something which uses half the wattage for similar performance, doing better future SLIing, such as you want to do Nvidia Surround (3 monitors), then the GTX 970 would be slightly better due to the 4GB video memory, and some design adjustments, etc.

[dragonpast]

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What's the price difference? Depending on that, highly consider the GTX 780 Ti if you can get it cheap, you won't be disappointed and it will still be overkill for 1080p resolution anyways. Run slightly faster than a GTX 970 as well.

If your looking for something which uses half the wattage for similar performance, doing better future SLIing, such as you want to do Nvidia Surround (3 monitors), then the GTX 970 would be slightly better due to the 4GB video memory, and some design adjustments, etc.

the price differance is about 10-12 pounds

[Azza ☠]

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What's the price difference? Depending on that, highly consider the GTX 780 Ti if you can get it cheap, you won't be disappointed and it will still be overkill for 1080p resolution anyways. Run slightly faster than a GTX 970 as well.

If your looking for something which uses half the wattage for similar performance, doing better future SLIing, such as you want to do Nvidia Surround (3 monitors), then the GTX 970 would be slightly better due to the 4GB video memory, and some design adjustments, etc.

the price differance is about 10-12 pounds

Get the GTX 970 in that case - EVGA ACX 2.0 or ASUS STRIX duel fan model, I would personally highly recommend.

Brand new the GTX 780 would still be similar priced. However you should be able to get it sometimes for a much cheaper price, if buying 2nd hand. Resale value on them will drop like crazy.

[dragonpast]

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the price differance is about 10-12 pounds

Get the GTX 970 in that case - EVGA ACX 2.0 or ASUS STRIX duel fan model.

Brand new the GTX 780 would still be similar priced. However you should be able to get it half the price, if buying 2nd hand. Resale value on them will drop like crazy.

the strix is about £10 more the MSI is about £10 less.

[Azza ☠]

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Get the GTX 970 in that case - EVGA ACX 2.0 or ASUS STRIX duel fan model.

Brand new the GTX 780 would still be similar priced. However you should be able to get it half the price, if buying 2nd hand. Resale value on them will drop like crazy.

the strix is about £10 more the MSI is about £10 less.

Worth it by far, in my experience!

Better quality component, faster, cooler, quieter, and prolonged lifespan. Better customer support and warranty as well (if it ever comes to that).

Note: Strix fans turn off when cool for complete silence when watching a movie or something less demanding - and it's not a hot temperature.

[dragonpast]

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the strix is about £10 more the MSI is about £10 less.

Worth it by far, in my experience!

Better quality component, faster, cooler, quieter, and prolonged lifespan. Better customer support and warranty as well (if it ever comes to that).

Note: Strix fans turn off when cool for complete silence when watching a movie or something less demanding - and it's not a hot temperature.

which one are you saying is worth it? the 780 ti th msi or the strix?
strix 970-£299
Zotac 780 ti -£281
msi 970-£265