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upgrading from fx is pointless, nowhere to go, 8000s will add 1 more module (2 cores), but not more speed
i5 4460 with a b85 board will be around the same price
get a 2x4g ram kit instead of a single dimm
260x is on the weak side for a gaming pc
if your on a smaller budget and like overclocking, get a pentiumg g3258 and 212evo
will allow for a r9 270 or better gpu on the same budget
g3258 can be upgraded to i5 4460-4690 or i7 4770-4790
The rest look a post above.
Depends on what you understand about acceptable standard but you should be able to play all games released until now!
I have some suggestions.
*The AMD FX 6300 already comes with a CPU cooler that is adequate at stock speeds and I recommend you NOT overclock it for now. So skip the cooler for now, you can always install one later when and if you want to overclock. IN the mean time a better GPU will make more difference than overclocking the CPU.
*2*4Gb of DDR3-1866 is affordable and will run over twice as fast (due to dual channel doubling the effective speed of the RAM plus the higher 1866 MT/s vs the 1600 MT/s) as the DDR3-1600 1*8GB stick. The FX 6300 likes fast RAM and having faster RAM with more sticks will increase it's performance. Single stick will work and leave more room for upgrades later so this one isn't as big a deal as a better GPU vs CPU cooler. Just know that it will limit your CPU performance until you get another stick and indeed I have found the best performance comes with 4 sticks. 24GB vs 32GB (hopefully) won't be a huge difference for the maximum amount of RAM that can go into the system as you might replace it before you need more than that 24GB. After all if the FX 8 cores can use 32GB the FX 6 cores (like the FX 6300) has only 3/4 of the cores and perhaps only needs 3/4 of the RAM or 24GB at most?
*As already mentioned get a better video card. You can afford it instead of CPU cooler.
*430W is *probably* capable of running the R7 260X and even more but it's actually below the minimum officially recommended spec of 450W and it will be even further below spec for a better R9 series GPU like you should get. Get 500W 80 Plus Bronze at minimum.
*The case is showy on the outside but you can get one for cheaper that is just as practical or even more practical on the inside for less. This is another thing that allows you to get a better GPU and the screen (not the case) is where you will look most of the time.
I have condensed all my recommendations into a revised build for you:
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor
Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
Kingston Fury White Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card
Zalman Z3 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case
EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/9FZpFT
Total: £413.08
All total it works out to the exact same price or 1GBP less so I think it's a good suggestion.
Let me know what you think?
It is good to know that I had not gotten many things wrong as I wasn't sure if this build would be useless. :P
Thank you for going to the effort to revising my build, I think this is what I'll go with.
but fx cpu is impossible to upgrade
cpu will be bottlenecking high end gpus and no am3+ cpus are any faster
if you like overclocking
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/fyYsjX
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£47.98 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.54 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£48.20 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£53.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (£140.79 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£19.46 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.83 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £436.73
bigger hdd, and better gpu
or flat out faster all around
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Yhb33C
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£130.94 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£48.20 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£53.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (£140.79 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£19.46 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.83 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £496.15
I don't think I will need to overclock, but if you do why?
The second list you posted is a bit too expensive, I'd like to stick to the friendly side of £450.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/TV8DhM
Total: £435.42
There is my build with the R9 270X replaced with it.
"Overclocking" is to manually set the clockspeed to a setting higher than factory. Some CPUs are "locked" to prevent this (IE the i5 in the build above), other CPUs are "unlocked" (IE the entire AMD FX series) to enable it. All the AMD FX series are unlocked. You can also "underclock" a CPU instead to set it's speed lower than factory, this is mostly for if you want it to draw less power than normal. Overclocking draws more power and generates more heat as a general rule which is why for overclocking you need a good motherboard that can reliably provide the extra power and a good high performance 3rd party CPU cooler which can keep your CPU as cool as normal even when it's making more heat than normal. That said, within reason you can overclock you CPU a little bit and maybe even "undervolt" it (to reduce it's power use) which may actually cause your CPU to use less power, run cooler and perform better all at once. Still to get beyond a certain point you will need to start overvolting. If done improperly or on poor equiptment (CPU cooler and Motherboard) this can damage your system or simply cause it not to run properly. CPUs and motherboards have a degree of protection built in to shut off or throttle when being overheated or overloaded. However in extreme cases overclocking can cause electrical fires inside (and probably contained to) your computer as the CPU melts down and burns or the motherboards VRM (power delivery system) overload, fry and then burn.
On a good enough motherboard and with a good enough cooler there is potentially little to no risk to a nice high safe overclock. As a example AMD offers 2 special edition FX 8 cores called FX 9370 and FX 9590. These are basically a factory overclocked (or higher clocked and higher powered) version of the standard 8 core found in the FX 8320 and FX 8350. They require special motherboards (higher end 990FX motherboards like ASRock Extreme9 990FX) and coolers (the box version comes with a watercooler) like Noctua D-14 or a high performance (not all are up to it) watercooler. They run at 220W compared to the standard 125W for the other 8 core CPUs. The fastest of the two reaches a 5 GHz Turbo. With a standard 125W 8 core and the proper equiptment you could reach 5 GHz also and it would *probably* be just as safe. With the FX 9590 however you get a 3 year warranty, the default setting salready how you want them and the knowledge that it has been done properly by professionals with the best available tools. Overclocking a CPU meanwhile voids it's warranty.
The motherboard in your build is good for a mild to medium overclock. I'd rate it up to 150W or m ore for the CPU as it has 6 digital VRM. Your CPU starts out at 95W so that's 50% extra power. I have heard of people reaching 5 GHz on the M5A97 R2 motherboard with a FX 6300. The FX 9590 (with proper equipment) can meanwhile probably be overclocked even higher.
The FX 6300 is a nice CPU even at stock speeds though. I recommend not to overclock until you actually need to and just keep your warranty. Also when you want to overclock get a high performance cooler that is lots better than the stock one.
I've run a FX 8 core for nearly 3 years and I don't keep it overclocked. I don't need to, not even close so far. You won't need to unless you want to on a 6 core either. Other things you can do on a unlcocked CPU include "underclocking" and "undervolting" to try and make it use less power and be more power efficient or use less power.
the i5 is so worth it over the fx6300
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html
I probably won't overclock, or if I do it will be after the warranty. Like you say it runs well at stock speeds so it won't be a problem. The build you linked looks perfect and I was worried about the price of the build that _I_ posted. Yet again thank you for your post, I don't know what I would have done without this help!
*_I_, the i5 is too expensive I'm afraid. I didn't much want to go over £420. I'd rather have the FX6300 and the availability of having it overclocked.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/bywdvK
still outperforms the fx6300 in most games
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-4160-vs-AMD-FX-6300
where amd cpus still fall on their face
By the way, in this build, why have you added an extra TB or storage?
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On the topic of the i5,
I configured this: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/TLVkzy
Slightly more personalised: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/WJzQhM
R9 280 with FX 6300 should get you higher theoretical maximum gaming performance.
How much of a difference would there be performance wise between the two?