Need old VGA for Windows 95/98 "gaming" PC.

[Costa Rica's Army]

Hi.

I need to buy a 3D graphics acceleration card for the old 95 PC:

PC:

Pentium 133 MHz
RAM 32 MBs
Socket 7 mainboard with TX-Pro: http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/TX_branded_SIS5591.jpg
And an old Creative lab sound card LOL!

The motherboard only has PCI slots and the PSU is a 300W.

I need a good VGA to play these games at 800x600: Star Wars Shadows of te Empire, Turok: Dinosaur Hunter and Rogue Squadron 3D.

So far I'm good with the RAM and CPU, lol, those are in the recommended requirements.

Thanks!

[_I_]

thats an old board, no agp slot even

looks like its highest cpu speed is 3x 83mhz = 250mhz

if your looking to build an old pc for dos/win9x games
find a amd socket a board, and pick up a t-bird or barton cpu for it, 1.3-2ghz

those can run win9x like a champ and you can get one with a agp slot for a nvidia 4000-7600
will eat thru those games like butter

[russy23]

Them specs take me back..wow

[Costa Rica's Army]

Ursprungligen skrivet av _I_:

thats an old board, no agp slot even

looks like its highest cpu speed is 3x 83mhz = 250mhz

if your looking to build an old pc for dos/win9x games
find a amd socket a board, and pick up a t-bird or barton cpu for it, 1.3-2ghz

those can run win9x like a champ and you can get one with a agp slot for a nvidia 4000-7600
will eat thru those games like butter

I actually have a P4 and 512MBs Windows 98 and XP PC but it gives me a lot of trouble with old DOS games and even with 95 games. That GPU is a Nvidia MX 4000 128MBs AGP, works awesome as you say but the other issues just make it awful. I don't know, I have faith in this Pentium 133 PC xD.

Also if you can help me with what parts to buy and where to (I'm not in the USA but I can buy online, usually Amazon) for a new Windows 9x PC, that would be awesome!

I would also like to run DOS games and other Windows 9x games without the high CPU speed issue. The P 133 MHz has the turbo button to help but well.

[Alchemist79]

From memory an ATI Rage 128 was very good. But it was so long ago I would wait for more feedback before buying anything.

Something like this, maybe?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003S746S4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1SX167ZCGB4T1V9WJS6A&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846

[Costa Rica's Army]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Topper Harley:

From memory an ATI Rage 128 was very good. But it was so long ago I would wait for more feedback before anything.

Something like this, maybe?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003S746S4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1SX167ZCGB4T1V9WJS6A&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846

Could be. I have to be careful about what GPU to buy. Shadows of the Empire was one of the first VGA games for the days, limited for some GPUs, if the GPU was not supported it was just a no-no :/ same as turok

Let me see about patches, maybe they added support for more GPUs at the date. I also need that the GPU supports "table fog" for both games.

[Costa Rica's Army]

Shadows of the Empire had a patch for more video cards support:

Graphics Card: 3D Accelerated PCI Graphics card required.
Currently supported 3D cards: ASUSTek
3DexPlorer 3000, Canopus Pure 3D, Canopus
Total 3D, Canopus Total 3D 128v, Creative
Labs 3D Blaster, Deltron RealVision Flash3D,
Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, Diamond Monster 3D,
Diamond Monster 3D II, Diamond Stealth II S220,
Diamond Viper 330, Hercules Stingray 128/3D,
Intergraph Intense 3D 100, Intergraph Intense
3D Voodoo, Matrox M3D, NEC Apocalypse 3Dx,
Orchid Righteous 3D, STB Velocity 128 as well
as other cards supported by the following
chipsets: 3Dfx Voodoo Rush, 3Dfx Voodoo II,
Rendition Verite 1000, Rendition Verite 2100,
Rendition Verite 2200, NVidia Riva 128,
Permedia 2, NEC PowerVR PCX-2 or other chipsets
with similar or better performance.

Shadows of the Empire is a Direct3D hardware accelerated game
that must have a supported 3D card to play.

Supported 3D Cards and Chipsets
*******************************

Supported 3D Cards (Listed Alphabetically)
------------------
ASUSTek 3DexPlorer 3000
Canopus Pure 3D
Canopus Total 3D
Canopus Total 3D 128v
Creative Labs 3D Blaster
Deltron RealVision Flash3D
Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro
Diamond Monster 3D
Diamond Monster 3D II
Diamond Stealth II S220
Diamond Viper 330
Hercules Stingray 128/3D
Intergraph Intense 3D 100
Intergraph Intense 3D Voodoo
Matrox M3D
NEC Apocalypse 3Dx
Orchid Righteous 3D
STB Velocity 128

Other cards with the following chipsets are supported:
------------------------------------------------------
3Dfx Voodoo Rush
3Dfx Voodoo II
NEC PowerVR PCX-2
NVidia Riva 128
Permedia 2
Rendition Verite 1000
Rendition Verite 2100
Rendition Verite 2200

Cards with chipsets that have similar or better performance
may be supported.

Rendition Verite 1000 Users
---------------------------
The Rendition Verite 1000 chip is supported, but is missing
certain features to run Shadows of the Empire optimally. Cards
using the Rendition Verite 1000 chipset, such as Creative Labs
3D Blaster, Intergraph Intense 3D, and others, should not be run
in 800x600 resolution. You may see the following problems when
playing Shadows of the Empire:
· There will be no fog in the game, so distant textures may be
missing or corrupted.
· Playing in 640x480 you will experience low frame rates in the
game. Please see the Troubleshooting Guide in the Performance
Issues section for information about increasing your Frame rate.
· You may experience loss of video signal or a black screen
in 512x384.
· You will probably have to play in resolutions such as 640x400,
320x240 or 320x200 for acceptable frame rates on a Pentium 120
or higher.

Permedia 2 Users
----------------
When using a 3D card with this chipset, you may see black
boxes in the in-game options menu. To correct this, you will
need to select Enable Color Key in the Game Options menu in the
launcher.

NEC PowerVR PCX-2 Users
-----------------------
The NEC PowerVR PCX-2 chip is supported, but is missing certain
features to run Shadows of the Empire optimally. Cards using the
NEC PowerVR PCX-2 chipset, such as NEC Apocalypse 3Dx and Matrox M3D,
should not be run in 800x600 resolution. You may see the following
problems when playing Shadows of the Empire:
· There will be no fog in the game, so distant textures may be
missing or corrupted.
· Playing in 640x480 you will experience low frame rates in the
game. Please see the Troubleshooting Guide in the Performance
Issues section for information about increasing your Frame rate.
· You may have to play in a lower resolutions for an acceptable
frame rate on a Pentium 120 or higher.

NVidia Riva 128 Users
---------------------
The NVidia Riva 128 is supported but you may see some problems
when playing Shadows of the Empire. You may see the following
problems:
· The text may be corrupted throughout the game, such as in
the opening and in-game menus.
· The HUDs may appear to be out of focus.
· The ships may be slightly distorted in the game when at a
distance and clear up when you get up close.
· You may see thin lines of graphic corruption along seams in
textures.
· Gameplay may be choppy and slow on low end systems.


Unsupported 3D Cards and Chipsets
*********************************

Unsupported Cards
-----------------
3D Labs Permedia
ATI Technologies 3D Xpression
ATI Technologies 3D Xpression+ PC2TV
ATI Technologies 3D Pro Turbo PC2TV
Creative Labs Graphics Blaster 3D
Diamond Multimedia Edge 3D
Diamond Multimedia Stealth 3D 2000
Matrox Graphics Mystique
NEC Technologies PowerVR PCX
Spider Tarantula 3D
STB Systems Nitro 3D
STB Systems Powergraph 64 3D
STB Systems Velocity 3D
TechWorks Ultimate 3D

Unsupported Chipsets
--------------------
3D Rage
3D Rage II
Cirrus Logic CL-GD5464
MGA-1064SG
Nvidia
Permedia
S3 ViRGE
S3 ViRGE/DX
S3 ViRGE/GX
S3 ViRGE/VX

Wow.

[_I_]

i have a pair of voodoo2 cards and the sli cable

they are pci, but you will still need a primary gpu, since they are pass thru and 3d only

[Costa Rica's Army]

Ursprungligen skrivet av _I_:

i have a pair of voodoo2 cards and the sli cable

they are pci, but you will still need a primary gpu, since they are pass thru and 3d only

Can you explain me about having a primary GPU please. I only know that the PC has a Trident Tgui9680-1 1 or 2 MB of VRAM. The GPU works, I don't know if that helps.

[_I_]

the voodoo and voodoo2 are 3d only cards, no 2d processor at all
they have a vga input for primary gpu, and output to monitor

the trident gpu will work for primary gpu, when games that can use the voodoo cards, it will turn them on

[Costa Rica's Army]

Ursprungligen skrivet av _I_:

the voodoo and voodoo2 are 3d only cards, no 2d processor at all
they have a vga input for primary gpu, and output to monitor

the trident gpu will work for primary gpu, when games that can use the voodoo cards, it will turn them on

Sounds great! I will buy you the cards if you want to sell them, that is an instant yes for me.

[_I_]

see if you can find a pair on ebay or cl, mine are the 12m versions

international shipping would be more than the cards are worth

[Costa Rica's Army]

Ursprungligen skrivet av _I_:

see if you can find a pair on ebay or cl, mine are the 12m versions

international shipping would be more than the cards are worth

Yepe, just one more question: For the SLI they have to be the same manufacturer or just the same chips like today?

[chiefputsa☒lag]

for windows 98 gaming, get the old pentium 4 or celeron (1.7ghz to 2.4ghz). mobo will likely have agp 4x-8x gpu slot.

although i admit pentium 133mhz or (166mhz which i have) is perfect for 'reproman' puzzle game for windows 95/98.

[_I_]

they can be diff mfg, but not all had the sli connector

[Costa Rica's Army]

Ok, thanks for all the help!