(Solved, Thx.)Pairing a FX-8320, ASUS M5A97 R2.0, R9 280X

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drifterx 2015年4月24日 8時06分

This is my first post so hello all! I am compiling my new build and feel good about what I have, but was wondering if what i have will meet my plans. I was thinking of doing a light overclock using the stock turbo of 4.0 ghz and was wondering if the motherboard would meet my needs. I will be adding a bunch of 120mm fans to my case to cool further of course. Thanks!

FX-8320, with coolermaster 212
ASUS M5A97 R2.0
R9 280X
600w corsair power supply? build comes in at 485w by estimation

http://store.steampowered.com
I hope this is the right way to format a hot link.

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®NapalmSunrise® 2015年4月24日 12時35分

SyPTo の投稿を引用：
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Exellent ill go with the asus m5a99fx

if you do that and go with a H100 cooler , just to "future" proof an 3year old CPU and to get it up to I5 speeds , you may aswell just go for an I5 and a Z97 board , it will be just as expensive..

The only advantage Intel has on AMD is the single core performance out of the box.. Game wise there are very few games that are single core/ threaded dependant.. Such as Arma 3 , Dayz and so fourth.. To counter that these FX chips absoutly love FSB overclocks with very little effort and very little voltage increase and with the oc focused to the FSB it will drastically increase performance in the single core area not to mention all around..

If you are just gaming and want to go with the FX chips you will be more then happy.. I know of a few close friends that have actually made the leap from the Fx 8350 to the knewer i7's and 5's and keep in mind they just game on their rig's .. Lets say they expected alot more for the money they spent ....

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Wampum Biskit 2015年4月24日 13時37分

<D!X> NapalmSunrise® の投稿を引用：
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if you do that and go with a H100 cooler , just to "future" proof an 3year old CPU and to get it up to I5 speeds , you may aswell just go for an I5 and a Z97 board , it will be just as expensive..

The only advantage Intel has on AMD is the single core performance out of the box.. Game wise there are very few games that are single core/ threaded dependant.. Such as Arma 3 , Dayz and so fourth.. To counter that these FX chips absoutly love FSB overclocks with very little effort and very little voltage increase and with the oc focused to the FSB it will drastically increase performance in the single core area not to mention all around..

If you are just gaming and want to go with the FX chips you will be more then happy.. I know of a few close friends that have actually made the leap from the Fx 8350 to the knewer i7's and 5's and keep in mind they just game on their rig's .. Lets say they expected alot more for the money they spent ....

and yet with a mild OC the 8350 still can't touch the single core performance of an intel because it's still based on a 32nm platform whereas intel moved to a 22nm since 2012.... smaller footprint = less energy = cooler running chips and faster cores.

people like to argue about the cost savings of an AMD , but needing a better CPU cooler and a higher priced MB just nullifies all of that. , your spending the same amount of money , for a CPU thats NOT as fast , runs hotter and costs you more $$$ in electricity... so where's that advantage ?

最近の変更はWampum Biskitが行いました; 2015年4月24日 13時40分

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MrMcSwifty 2015年4月24日 14時23分

I still don't buy into this idea that AMD chips run incredibly hot and need all sorts expensive cooling solutions to keep them under control.

I understand that larger die/higher wattage should, in theory, equate to higher temps... on paper... but that has never been true in my experience. My Intel chips have always run hotter.

(this of course doesn't apply to the 95XX-series, but of course a 220w super-clocked chip is going to generate some heat!... and no one in their right mind would buy one of these things anyway...)

You can get a mild OC on a FX8350 even on stock air. Same as Intel.

If you want to really crank it up, yes, you'll need an expensive cooler. Same as Intel.

I'll concede that it still won't perform as well in many games as the Intel, but the difference between them isn't nearly as dramatic as some folks would make it out to be. It'll get the job done.

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®NapalmSunrise® 2015年4月24日 14時58分

SyPTo の投稿を引用：
<D!X> NapalmSunrise® の投稿を引用：

The only advantage Intel has on AMD is the single core performance out of the box.. Game wise there are very few games that are single core/ threaded dependant.. Such as Arma 3 , Dayz and so fourth.. To counter that these FX chips absoutly love FSB overclocks with very little effort and very little voltage increase and with the oc focused to the FSB it will drastically increase performance in the single core area not to mention all around..

If you are just gaming and want to go with the FX chips you will be more then happy.. I know of a few close friends that have actually made the leap from the Fx 8350 to the knewer i7's and 5's and keep in mind they just game on their rig's .. Lets say they expected alot more for the money they spent ....

and yet with a mild OC the 8350 still can't touch the single core performance of an intel because it's still based on a 32nm platform whereas intel moved to a 22nm since 2012.... smaller footprint = less energy = cooler running chips and faster cores.

people like to argue about the cost savings of an AMD , but needing a better CPU cooler and a higher priced MB just nullifies all of that. , your spending the same amount of money , for a CPU thats NOT as fast , runs hotter and costs you more $$$ in electricity... so where's that advantage ?

What would you consider a mild oc ? 4.4ghz which the auto tune option can acheive in the click of a button ? Like I said before an overclock to the FSB will drastically improve just that in them games that mainly focus on single core such as Bohemia.. Which im pretty sure that most who do want to get the FX black edition unlocked chips are planning on overclocking...

I would have to say that the biggest arguement is price vs performance which favor's AMD handsdown which is just my point.. The 8350 even at stock speeds has no issues running games at 1080p with a good GPU paired with it and maintaining 60 FPS..

As for the tempature not really sure where you are getting your information from but from everyone I know with Intel builds tend to lean in their direction for hotter temps but granted also a higher threshold as well.. But bottom line cooling is just as important component as it gets in a system.. Now yes I have a H100i extreme which is like 100 bucks but even with my Volts at 1.5 and a 4.8ghz overclock I still idle at 24c and very rare that I hit 40c.. Ill have a link below to show volts and temps and cpu speed...

As for the price of mobo's for the FX chips they are actually pretty cheap with plenty to choose from.. So once again not sure where you are getting this info..

To the OP best of luck with your build and if you go with the FX and are planning on overclcoking and need any info feel free to add me I can help you out..

http://valid.x86.fr/t23qqn

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upcoast 2015年4月24日 19時57分

SyPTo の投稿を引用：
<D!X> NapalmSunrise® の投稿を引用：

The only advantage Intel has on AMD is the single core performance out of the box.. Game wise there are very few games that are single core/ threaded dependant.. Such as Arma 3 , Dayz and so fourth.. To counter that these FX chips absoutly love FSB overclocks with very little effort and very little voltage increase and with the oc focused to the FSB it will drastically increase performance in the single core area not to mention all around..

If you are just gaming and want to go with the FX chips you will be more then happy.. I know of a few close friends that have actually made the leap from the Fx 8350 to the knewer i7's and 5's and keep in mind they just game on their rig's .. Lets say they expected alot more for the money they spent ....

and yet with a mild OC the 8350 still can't touch the single core performance of an intel because it's still based on a 32nm platform whereas intel moved to a 22nm since 2012.... smaller footprint = less energy = cooler running chips and faster cores.

people like to argue about the cost savings of an AMD , but needing a better CPU cooler and a higher priced MB just nullifies all of that. , your spending the same amount of money , for a CPU thats NOT as fast , runs hotter and costs you more $$$ in electricity... so where's that advantage ?

I have 3 towers going in the house.

1) FX8350 4.4ghz 1.35v / 280x / 16GB / Tuniq Tower hsf peak high temp 48c.

2) x4 965BE 3.7ghz 1.42v / 6870 / 8GB / cm212+ hsf peak temp 46c.

3) x4 640 stock / 6850 / 4GB / OCZ Vendetta 2 hsf peak temp 42c.

Now we get to electrical bills for the 3 towers and a 2700sqft house $45cdn per month.

So, do they really run that hot and do they really cost that much electricity, not.

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Kate 2015年4月25日 6時03分

McSwifty の投稿を引用：
I still don't buy into this idea that AMD chips run incredibly hot and need all sorts expensive cooling solutions to keep them under control.

They don't. Just played an hour of Far Cry 3 on my 8350 with a Hyper 212 EVO, max temp was 45C.

SyPTo の投稿を引用：
AMD dropped any gaming CPU develpment after they decided they rather go for the bigger "console" market.

They didn't drop gaming processor development, it's just incredibly expensive to do. When you reduce node size you don't just adjust your machines to make smaller chips, you have to buy new machines (at least according to what I've read).
They're still investing in that market, I think they already confirmed new FX chips for 2016, and the rumour is they'll be made by Global Foundries using a 14nm node size. But we still don't know how they would perform or even if those FX are actual high-performance desktop chips or just a new line of APUs. And I doubt very much they'd work with current AM3+ boards.

I agree that, at the price range of the 8350/8320, it's hard to keep it competitive with the latest generations of i5s. It only makes sense for specific things like budget workstations, or an FX-6300 instead of a dual-core Pentium.

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®NapalmSunrise® 2015年4月25日 6時14分

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I still don't buy into this idea that AMD chips run incredibly hot and need all sorts expensive cooling solutions to keep them under control.
They don't. Just played an hour of Far Cry 3 on my 8350 with a Hyper 212 EVO, max temp was 45C.

SyPTo の投稿を引用：
AMD dropped any gaming CPU develpment after they decided they rather go for the bigger "console" market.
They didn't drop gaming processor development, it's just incredibly expensive to do. When you reduce node size you don't just adjust your machines to make smaller chips, you have to buy new machines (at least according to what I've read).
They're still investing in that market, I think they already confirmed new FX chips for 2016, and the rumour is they'll be made by Global Foundries using a 14nm node size. But we still don't know how they would perform or even if those FX are actual high-performance desktop chips or just a new line of APUs. And I doubt very much they'd work with current AM3+ boards.

I agree that, at the price range of the 8350/8320, it's hard to keep it competitive with the latest generations of i5s. It only makes sense for specific things like budget workstations, or an FX-6300 instead of a dual-core Pentium.

I believe this is what you are talking about...

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/198386-amds-next-gen-cpu-leak-14nm-simultaneous-multithreading-and-ddr4-support

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Bad 💀 Motha 2015年4月25日 6時22分

^ Yes, but again the roadmap is referring to something more towards later 2016.
But then Intel will have already had a few Gens out using DDR4 and such and we will have already seen Intel LGA-1151 and beyond. Plus AMD is only looking to do more the same rinse and repeat crap using APUs with more Modules (fake/smaller cores). APUs don't belong in a gaming PC. As it is a separate strong CPU & dedicated GPU that is really needed. APUs just catour towards those on tight budgets. If you budget is so tight u need an AMD APU setup, go play on Console, seriously.

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®NapalmSunrise® 2015年4月25日 6時24分

Bad-Motha の投稿を引用：
^ Yes, but again the roadmap is referring to something more towards later 2016.
But then Intel will have already had a few Gens out using DDR4 and such and we will have already seen Intel LGA-1151 and beyond. Plus AMD is only looking to do more the same rinse and repeat crap using APUs with more Modules (fake/smaller cores). APUs don't belong in a gaming PC. As it is a separate strong CPU & dedicated GPU that is really needed. APUs just catour towards those on tight budgets. If you budget is so tight u need an AMD APU setup, go play on Console, seriously.

Yeah I hear ya.. I am not by any means in favor of the APU's being their only option for gamers..

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Wampum Biskit 2015年4月25日 16時44分

Bad-Motha の投稿を引用：
^ Yes, but again the roadmap is referring to something more towards later 2016.
But then Intel will have already had a few Gens out using DDR4 and such and we will have already seen Intel LGA-1151 and beyond. Plus AMD is only looking to do more the same rinse and repeat crap using APUs with more Modules (fake/smaller cores). APUs don't belong in a gaming PC. As it is a separate strong CPU & dedicated GPU that is really needed. APUs just catour towards those on tight budgets. If you budget is so tight u need an AMD APU setup, go play on Console, seriously.

Intel is already on the 14nm process , bytthe time AMD goes onboard intel would have dropped to the next one which should be 8 or 10nm. I think it's starting to get to the point in the next few gens where an alternate solution needs to be found other then using silicon which is inherently unstable on those smaller scales...

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Kate 2015年4月26日 11時56分

Bad-Motha の投稿を引用：
^ Yes, but again the roadmap is referring to something more towards later 2016.
But then Intel will have already had a few Gens out using DDR4 and such and we will have already seen Intel LGA-1151 and beyond. Plus AMD is only looking to do more the same rinse and repeat crap using APUs with more Modules (fake/smaller cores). APUs don't belong in a gaming PC. As it is a separate strong CPU & dedicated GPU that is really needed. APUs just catour towards those on tight budgets. If you budget is so tight u need an AMD APU setup, go play on Console, seriously.

It's not the same rinse and repeat crap. They're reducing node size to less than half! Besides it's not like AMD has been sitting around. They invested a lot on their APUs in smart ways - HSA for example.
As for APUs not belonging in gaming, I disagree. They're not good for 4k desktop Skyrim gaming, sure. They're great for consoles and livingroom PCs like Steamboxes, low-power stuff. The gaming paradigm has been changing, it's not based on 800W builds anymore. And this applied to Intel as well - they've reduced power consumption a lot since the first Core i generation. Also the idea of having a CPU and GPU next to each other communicating directly and using shared memory and caches instead of communicating through PCI-E sounds cool, I imagine it's possible to optimize games for that. I haven't seen any games taking advantage of that, though.

SyPTo の投稿を引用：
Intel is already on the 14nm process , bytthe time AMD goes onboard intel would have dropped to the next one which should be 8 or 10nm. I think it's starting to get to the point in the next few gens where an alternate solution needs to be found other then using silicon which is inherently unstable on those smaller scales...

I think the cutoff is 10nm, so I doubt they'll reduce node size any further.

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Wampum Biskit 2015年4月26日 16時52分

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I think the cutoff is 10nm, so I doubt they'll reduce node size any further.

i knew they were getting close to the physical limitation of a silicon based chip , so hopefully they will figure out something else or moore's law is gonna get broken... quantum computers are way too far off to be a viable solution for a consumer market in any near future.

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drifterx 2015年4月27日 6時34分

Good morning and thanks for all of the input on my potential AMD build. I am always looking to squeeze my value out of things, but i think ill spend a little more for an intel build. I went to frys and the person there really knew a lot about building a pc. He ended up reverberating much of what i hear here about my build.

To your charity, my new intel oriented build.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gCX8wP

I will not be overclocking at any near point with this build but may later.

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