Will a AMD FX-8370 Bottleneck my superclocked GTX 970?

[Metr0]

Before everyone says i7 or i5 i don't have the money to buy a new mb and a 300-400 dollar cpu
Currently i have a Phenom ii x6 black enabled and the bottleneck is pretty intense with fps as low as 20 in most last gen-current gen and next gen games gta5 is a 20fps or lower for example on a little less then max settings my RAM is 8gig DDR3 so i assume thats fine.

[bmac1191]

It probably won't help as much as you hope. You can find an used i5 for $150 or less. I know you don't want to hear it, but I would save the money for an intel build.

IMO, you should be running around medium settings with your rig. Lower your settings if you want higher fps.

:: I ran a quick test in 1080 since I play in 4k. In 1080p, GTA5, completely maxed out, I get 120 fps while walking in city and dips down to 68 fps while driving in the city. This is with two Titan X cards (stock clocks), a 4790k at 4.8ghz, and 32gb ram. Vram was at 5.2gb, so it could probably climb to 7gb or more after time.

I would be surprised if you gained more than 1 fps with the 8370. Best solution is to lower your settings and save for an i5.

[Metr0]

引用自 bmac1191：

It probably won't help as much as you hope. You can find an used i5 for $150 or less. I know you don't want to hear it, but I would save the money for an intel build.

IMO, you should be running around medium settings with your rig. Lower your settings if you want higher fps.

:: I ran a quick test in 1080 since I play in 4k. In 1080p, GTA5, completely maxed out, I get 120 fps while walking in city and dips down to 68 fps while driving in the city. This is with two Titan X cards (stock clocks), a 4790k at 4.8ghz, and 32gb ram. Vram was at 5.2gb, so it could probably climb to 7gb or more after time.

I would be surprised if you gained more than 1 fps with the 8370. Best solution is to lower your settings and save for an i5.

so a gtx 970 is incapable of running games on max? I find it hard to believe only 2 titans can run gta5 on max

[bmac1191]

Everything completely turned up as high as it can go... yes. I just ran that in 1080 a few minutes ago. Just because you could do it just a year or two ago with a mid-range card, doesn't mean you can still do it now. Some of those settings greatly reduce your fps.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1905-gta-v-pc-fps-benchmark-graphics-cards

That is one titan x.. 1080 ultra, average 100 fps. So with two, that is about right. I had dips down to high 60s but highs up to 120.. probably even 130 ish if outside the city. And to compare scaling, they have the numbers from a single 980 and 2x 980.

[Metr0]

引用自 bmac1191：

Everything completely turned up as high as it can go... yes. I just ran that in 1080 a few minutes ago. Just because you could do it just a year or two ago with a mid-range card, doesn't mean you can still do it now. Some of those settings greatly reduce your fps.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1905-gta-v-pc-fps-benchmark-graphics-cards

That is one titan x.. 1080 ultra, average 100 fps. So with two, that is about right. I had dips down to high 60s but highs up to 120.. probably even 130 ish if outside the city. And to compare scaling, they have the numbers from a single 980 and 2x 980.

a 970 is not a mid range card it's super clocked to be just as good as a 980 and the 980s gpus are better for gaming then a single titan

[videogames]

Core performance between your Phenom and the FX should be about the same. The FX will have an edge in games that support more cores. Assuming you have a good motherboard and CPU cooler, the cheapest/best option is the 8350 and overclock that. If you'd need a new motherboard anyway, an i5 would be a better choice for roughly the same money.

A 970 is totally fine for 1080p, you don't need more.

[Metr0]

引用自 videogames：

Core performance between your Phenom and the FX should be about the same. The FX will have an edge in games that support more cores. Assuming you have a good motherboard and CPU cooler, the cheapest/best option is the 8350 and overclock that. If you'd need a new motherboard anyway, an i5 would be a better choice for roughly the same money.

A 970 is totally fine for 1080p, you don't need more.

It's for sure a high end card 2 titans is nothing more then overkill...it will takes months of saving but i am gonna go with a high end intel set up i guess if a FX won't raise the fps much

[Rove]

What motherboard do you have?

Do you have custom CPU cooling?

Have you tried overclocking your CPU?

[_I_]

if near a microcenter you can get an i5 4690k and z97 board for around $250+tax
http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/

bundles here
http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

pii x6 to fx8 is a lateral move at best
fx is clocked higher, but pii has better core performance per clock
and games most do not need 6-8 cores

[MrMcSwifty]

Which particular PII X6 are we talking about? And what games (apart from GTAV, of course)

Going to an FX more than likely isn't going to make any significant amount of difference...

Though honestly, if you're regularly getting down to 20fps even in last-gen titles, I feel like something isn't quite right here.

[Metr0]

Motherbaord is a Forumla V No cpu cooling and i have overclocked to maybe 15% it went from 3.20 something GHz to 3.55ghz and most games like let's say 7 days to die i get 20 fps on max sleeping dogs i will go from 25 to 30 i get 20 in gta5 so its games with a open world it seems that drags me down...


I get very unstable fps in dying light that ranges from 45 and dips to 20 it never stays the same and is mostly down in the 20s in most areas and final fantasy 13-2 i get very bad fps ranging from 30 with dips into 20

[Rove]

引用自 -Mog-：

Motherbaord is a Forumla V No cpu cooling and i have overclocked to maybe 15% it went from 3.20 something GHz to 3.55ghz and most games like let's say 7 days to die i get 20 fps on max sleeping dogs i will go from 25 to 30 i get 20 in gta5 so its games with a open world it seems that drags me down

Have you monitored the usage of your system components and seen for sure that your CPU is getting very high use compared to everything else? If the GPU is at 100% use and the CPU is at 60% use it's actually not a CPU bottleneck, similarly it could be RAM or Disk or maybe even something else.

What is your power supply? It could be power (or thermal) throttling.

Also I suggest you get a high performance custom CPU cooler and give your Phenom II x6 a really nice overclock. You can I'm pretty sure (since you said it was a black edition unlocked) hit over 4.3GHz (over the stock speed of the FX 8370) if you get a good enough cooler since your motherboard is very nice. Now I could be wrong but I'd thought on that chip that at least 4.4 GHz on water or excellant air cooling and with a motherboard like yours was pretty reasonable. Some exremists might even be able to push 5 GHz or more but at a certain point it's drawing too much power and not worth the risk of breaking or the expense of the power use for the gains.

Here is a example of a 4.4GHz Phenom II x6 1090T:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQb1Vjtopj4

引用自 -Mog-：

I get very unstable fps in dying light that ranges from 45 and dips to 20 it never stays the same and is mostly down in the 20s in most areas and final fantasy 13-2 i get very bad fps ranging from 30 with dips into 20

Poor FPS doesn't mean it's your CPU though. What leads you to believe that the CPU specifically is the problem? As has been said it sounds worse than that CPU should get.

[Metr0]

引用自 Rove：

引用自 -Mog-：

Motherbaord is a Forumla V No cpu cooling and i have overclocked to maybe 15% it went from 3.20 something GHz to 3.55ghz and most games like let's say 7 days to die i get 20 fps on max sleeping dogs i will go from 25 to 30 i get 20 in gta5 so its games with a open world it seems that drags me down

Have you monitored the usage of your system components and seen for sure that your CPU is getting very high use compared to everything else? If the GPU is at 100% use and the CPU is at 60% use it's actually not a CPU bottleneck, similarly it could be RAM or Disk or maybe even something else.

What is your power supply? It could be power (or thermal) throttling.

Also I suggest you get a high performance custom CPU cooler and give your Phenom II x6 a really nice overclock. You can I'm pretty sure (since you said it was a black edition unlocked) hit over 4.3GHz (over the stock speed of the FX 8370) if you get a good enough cooler since your motherboard is very nice. Now I could be wrong but I'd thought on that chip that at least 4.4 GHz on water or excellant air cooling and with a motherboard like yours was pretty reasonable. Some exremists might even be able to push 5 GHz or more but at a certain point it's drawing too much power and not worth the risk of breaking or the expense of the power use for the gains.

Here is a example of a 4.4GHz Phenom II x6 1090T:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQb1Vjtopj4

引用自 -Mog-：

I get very unstable fps in dying light that ranges from 45 and dips to 20 it never stays the same and is mostly down in the 20s in most areas and final fantasy 13-2 i get very bad fps ranging from 30 with dips into 20

Poor FPS doesn't mean it's your CPU though. What leads you to believe that the CPU specifically is the problem? As has been said it sounds worse than that CPU should get.

Power supply is a corsair TX850 watt i think and i think it's the cpu because that is what everyone is telling me it's a cpu bottleneck one guy said my HDD is to slow which it is a very low rpm also i am not sure how to check the cpu usage while in game but just at idle it goes from 0% up to 19% and back.Aso doesn't my cpu use a outdated languge? 3Dnow which is supported by nothing

[Rove]

To check your CPU usage is simple, open Task Manager (or a CPU usage tool) and then click the performance tab of Task Manager to see CPU usage.

Next you want to see it in game so open your game, go to a place where the FPS is dropping low then Alt+tab your game and check the CPU usage chart in Task Manager Performance. It should be recording a usage chart for maybe the past 10-30 seconds so you will see when you Alt+Tabbed the game the usage dropped but you will also see the past usage on the chart and how high it was at the peak when you were having trouble. If your use is very high, 80% or higher with spikes up to 100% then yes I could see the CPU being a issue. Again even if the CPU is a issue it doesn't mean it's the only issue.

Also check your RAM use and your GPU use, you will need a custom program (not included with Windows) to check your GPU use. You can download one for free, probably even from the App store. I'd get AMD Overdrive as that can tell CPU, GPU, RAM , temperatures and more plus you can later use it for the overclocking.

Your HDD could also be a issue. How old and slow is it? RPM isn't everything either, platter density plays a huge role. RPM is one half of the speed multiplication, platter density is the other. You need to know both to have a better idea of your real HDD speed. Or just know your sequential read and write speeds.

The whole system adds up to the total performance, not just one part. Though if it was just one part it'd be the GPU not the CPU.

[Metr0]

引用自 Rove：

To check your CPU usage is simple, open Task Manager (or a CPU usage tool) and then click the performance tab of Task Manager to see CPU usage.

Next you want to see it in game so open your game, go to a place where the FPS is dropping low then Alt+tab your game and check the CPU usage chart in Task Manager Performance. It should be recording a usage chart for maybe the past 10-30 seconds so you will see when you Alt+Tabbed the game the usage dropped but you will also see the past usage on the chart and how high it was at the peak when you were having trouble. If your use is very high, 80% or higher with spikes up to 100% then yes I could see the CPU being a issue. Again even if the CPU is a issue it doesn't mean it's the only issue.

Also check your RAM use and your GPU use, you will need a custom program (not included with Windows) to check your GPU use. You can download one for free, probably even from the App store. I'd get AMD Overdrive as that can tell CPU, GPU, RAM , temperatures and more plus you can later use it for the overclocking.

Your HDD could also be a issue. How old and slow is it? RPM isn't everything either, platter density plays a huge role. RPM is one half of the speed multiplication, platter density is the other. You need to know both to have a better idea of your real HDD speed. Or just know your sequential read and write speeds.

The whole system adds up to the total performance, not just one part. Though if it was just one part it'd be the GPU not the CPU.

Well my ram usage is almost at 5gigs and i have 8 so that is fine but yea my cpu usage jumps up to almost 100% prolly peaking at that in some moments. As for the HDD it was a green enabled 1tb model from over 3 or 4 years ago and it writes data pretty slow anything more idk

[Rove]

Right so why not buy a closed loop watercooler or high performance air cooler for $30-$100 and overclock your Phenom II really nicely? Like I say 4+ GHz is pretty reasonable from what I've heard. Also a great CPU cooler is still cheaper than a new CPU and it will be able to be re-used when you buy a new CPU as well.