HDD vs SSD

[Ghoti]

hi, i want to know how big is the difference between HDD and SSD when running games. it probabl wont affect the fps right? just the loading time.

recently i've noticed that my hybrid 1TB + 8GB SSHD is loading next gen games such as watchdogs, fc4, ac unity, dr3 etc slower than other games with less disk space required. loading tie does nt affect me too much, but when you have to wait a long time between scenes or fast traveling in ac unity and fc4, it is starting to get annoying.

and soon, gta v with 65gb disk space required. i'm not going to run the game at 4k but i bet that it will take a long time to load. is an ssd really alot faster than a hdd? my laptop does not have an additional hard disk space so will an external ssd work?

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

The difference is night and day.

With a SSD you can boot your PC in under 45 seconds to the desktop, with the cursor ready, everything loaded and WiFi and LAN connected.

Using a HDD this can take as long as 15 minutes (mostly for the cursor to become 'ready' without a circle or hourglass).

With an SSD you can do SOOO MUCH MORE AT ONCE, it is like having 14 or more HDD's running in RAID 0/5.


Yes you can get external SSDs but you would most likely want a large / expensive one to make it worth your while for an additional Steam Library.

[_I_]

with games ssd will give faster load times and quicker texture popins
but will not help with fps at all

sshd have a tiny ssd 8g, not enough to improve games at all
and most have a 5400 or variable hdd attached which give horrible overall performance and like to sleep to save power

youll be better off getting a dedicated 240+g ssd for boot and a few programs/games ect..
and a 1-2tb 7200rpm 64mbcache hdd seagate/wd blue/black for games

[labyrinth]

Originally posted by TabrisDarkPeace ᴳᵀ:

The difference is night and day.

With a SSD you can boot your PC in under 45 seconds to the desktop, with the cursor ready, everything loaded and WiFi and LAN connected.

Using a HDD this can take as long as 15 minutes (mostly for the cursor to become 'ready' without a circle or hourglass).

With an SSD you can do SOOO MUCH MORE AT ONCE, it is like having 14 or more HDD's running in RAID 0/5.


Yes you can get external SSDs but you would most likely want a large / expensive one to make it worth your while for an additional Steam Library.

What hard drive sold today on the market will boot in 15 minutes?

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

Any HDD, and note that I did not say boot, I said to desktop with no hourglass or circle on the cursor, which is completely different.

Although mostly I blame Superfetch and having too much RAM for this scenario. But what can you do?

[Ghoti]

Originally posted by howlin' wolf:

Originally posted by TabrisDarkPeace ᴳᵀ:

The difference is night and day.

With a SSD you can boot your PC in under 45 seconds to the desktop, with the cursor ready, everything loaded and WiFi and LAN connected.

Using a HDD this can take as long as 15 minutes (mostly for the cursor to become 'ready' without a circle or hourglass).

With an SSD you can do SOOO MUCH MORE AT ONCE, it is like having 14 or more HDD's running in RAID 0/5.


Yes you can get external SSDs but you would most likely want a large / expensive one to make it worth your while for an additional Steam Library.

What hard drive sold today on the market will boot in 15 minutes?

well mine sometimes boot in 30 secs, sometimes in 2-3 mins but th desktop takes about 20 secs or less to be ready.
of course the fact that my laptop is new helps

[oldwrld]

Originally posted by TabrisDarkPeace ᴳᵀ:

Any HDD, and note that I did not say boot, I said to desktop with no hourglass or circle on the cursor, which is completely different.

Although mostly I blame Superfetch and having too much RAM for this scenario. But what can you do?

good hell..... my 7200 rpm drives which are 65% filled to capacity are capable of booting to windows in 34.5 seconds and that is fully loaded no hour glass.

[MrMcSwifty]

Yeah.. no offense.. but 15 minutes??? Wth...????

I have never heard of such a thing. That's outrageous.

How many background/startup programs are you running?

[˜lokkandload˜™]

WTF! Dude I run a single Samsung 840 EVO SSD 250Gb with OS only in SATA 6Gb...45 seconds are you serious?

Win 8.1 Pro 64 bit

From a cold start I'm on the desktop and going in 12 seconds, and a reboot from desktop back to desktop takes 18 seconds roundtrip, on a bad day.

For gaming and programs I use a SSHD Seagate Hybrid drive with 8Gbs SSD Flash on the front side for cache. Games and programs load lightning fast and data transfers at amazing speeds. The benefit of hybrid is the size of a traditional platter drive with the speed of an SSD when needed for far less money.

I also keep programs and games separated to prevent any OS tasks and processes from interfering with them...that's a no brainer.

[OLDMAN🎅]

my intel ssd read write speed 400 mbps big performances boost, windows 8.1 boot time 15 sec tf2 load time 20 sec , windows scandisk 30 sec , theres no disk defrag for ssd , i just run Intel SSD Toolbox that take one minute

[Ghoti]

startup is not an issue for me, the only game that feels slow to load for me is ac unity now.
but i am just wondering how bad would it be if i had to load all 65GB when playing gta v

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

I said 45 seconds or less for SSD.

And yes, I have seen systems with HDD's that take 15 minutes to 'settle the cursor' due to having loading so many background tasks that the hourglass / circle does not disappear for 15 minutes.

[Ghoti]

Originally posted by TabrisDarkPeace:

I said 45 seconds or less for SSD.

And yes, I have seen systems with HDD's that take 15 minutes to 'settle the cursor' due to having loading so many background tasks that the hourglass / circle does not disappear for 15 minutes.

that s why we poor hdd users have to know how to optimize our computers correctly

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

Just only install what you NEED, instead of what you think you need or want.
PC stays good for 3-5 years that way, sometimes longer.

Just OS + Drivers + AntiVirus + Internet Security/Firewall + MS Office + etc.

Don't install all the bloatware crap and/or other or multiple virus or malware scanners as they just interfere with each other and slow PCs down...

[Asus]

If you have the cash to burn, then by all means get a Solid-State. Imho, a SSD is not worth buying, due to the high cost. (I know, I have two) -_-

However If you do decide to get one:

- Always backup your SSD data. When a Solid-State dies, so does all your data. There is no getting it back.. Period.

- SSDs are very expensive! You also get much less storage capacity vs a HDD.

-Yes, your OS, and programs do boot up faster.... but (see below)

- Your games DO NOT run any faster. Your games DO NOT run any faster. Your games DO NOT run any faster. Oh did I forget to mention…. Your games DO NOT run any faster!

- A lot of people have complained their SSD didn't last very long (less than a year in some cases). This may be due to the limited number of times a SSD can be written and erased. With that said, try to limit the number of times you write and erase data. If you do that it should last a very long time.

- And never defrag like someone already mentioned.

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

Arma 2, Arma 3, and Call of Duty Advanced Warfighter run a lot smoother with an SSD, but the average frame rate is about the same.

I will define smoother as a more consistent frame rate, which is only a good thing.

The minimum frame rates with an SSD in these games is MUCH higher though, as they all use the storage to do stuff while in game. (i.e. Loading the map in Arma 2 is about 100 times faster).