2TB HDD VS 4TB SSHD

[Pavol]

Right now I use a 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM. I was thinking of upgrading to a faster method of storage, but I only want to have 1 storage device in the PC and a large SSD would cost far too much.

So my option is, stick with the 2TB HDD which runs at 7200rpm, or try a larger 4TB SSHD which has the bonus of the partial flash storage, but apparently it does run slower at 5200RPM. So which option would be better? A normal HDD which runs at 7200rpm, or a SSHD which runs slower, but has the flash storage to give random speed boosts.

I watched some videos of SSHD's and the graphs showed them running almost as fast as SSD's, but it didn't explain if that is the regular speed or the random speed, which you don't see all the time.

PS. I know I could run an SSD with an HDD, but I don't like managing multiple storage devices. So it is one or the other.

[˜lokkandload˜™]

I use a Samsung 850 Pro 250Gb strictly for OS and the SSHD for gaming its lightning fast and tasks and processes don't interfere with gaming or programs. 12 second cold boot, 18 second round trip reboot desktop to desktop. For media storage like game capture using Shadowplay, I use 2x Seagate 5Tb external USB 3.0 drives. The write speeds across the USB drives is an average of about 110 - 120 Mbs/second. Files transfer quickly.

[_I_]

to setup raid the drives need to be on the same controller (2 sata ports next to each other)
and when raid is configured the drives are formatted again (all data on both drives will be lost)
with raid0 (for speed) if either of the drvies are damaged after raid is configured all data wil be lost
on home systems its not worth it if your data is important
nas or portable sytems use raid3-5 for multiple drives for space speed and redundancy

a sshd isnt worth it, you get a 8g ssd part on the drive (not user accessable)
if you want a fast hdd get a wd black hdd
if you want a fast small hdd get a 120-240g ssd for the os and a wd blue or seagate barracuda for games ect..

[˜lokkandload˜™]

I see no benefit from Raid 0, other than just a hop in speed, but without redundancy...what a waste! Setting up Raid 0 for what, for games to load faster maps wise...nah no benefit.

[Pavol]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

to setup raid the drives need to be on the same controller (2 sata ports next to each other)
and when raid is configured the drives are formatted again (all data on both drives will be lost)
with raid0 (for speed) if either of the drvies are damaged after raid is configured all data wil be lost
on home systems its not worth it if your data is important
nas or portable sytems use raid3-5 for multiple drives for space speed and redundancy

a sshd isnt worth it, you get a 8g ssd part on the drive (not user accessable)
if you want a fast hdd get a wd black hdd
if you want a fast small hdd get a 120-240g ssd for the os and a wd blue or seagate barracuda for games ect..

I think RAID sounds a bit too out of my depth, I thought about getting a really good HDD instead of a SSHD like you said a WD black or something. Really annoyed that the 4TB SSHD is a slow 5900rpm.

So guys a 4TB WD black 7200rpm or a 4TB Seagate SSHD? The stats they show on their videos make HDD's look terrible and the SSHD's look almost as fast as the SSD's. Has anyone seen them? Are those high speeds just for the algorythm speed or for the entire disk? If you know what I mean. Like are these high numbers only showing the small part of the disks speed that uses flash, that isn't the speed of the entire disk is it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zogl1xmqAUc

[Azza ☠]

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

Adding a small SSD doesn't help really, I need at least another 1TB added and I don't want two storage units. Thanks though.

Your not using it as a separate storage unit. You never even assign the SSD a drive letter.

Rather applying the SSD over the top of your existing HDD in RAID 0 as an automatic caching system. It gives you the same result of what SSHD is doing anyways. After a basic setup, it's automatically done for you via software drivers. It will even format it for you.

Look up "Intel Smart Response" and check if your motherboard can support it!

[Pavol]

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

Adding a small SSD doesn't help really, I need at least another 1TB added and I don't want two storage units. Thanks though.

Your not using it as a separate storage unit. You never even assign the SSD a drive letter.

Rather applying the SSD over the top of your existing HDD in RAID 0 as an automatic caching system. It gives you the same result of what SSHD is doing anyways. After a basic setup, it's automatically done for you via software drivers.

Look up "Intel Smart Response" and check if your motherboard can support it!

I'm saying no SSD's really solve anything because I was looking for speed and at least 1TB more storage and no fairly priced SSD is that big.

[Azza ☠]

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

I'm saying no SSD's really solve anything because I was looking for speed and at least 1TB more storage and no fairly priced SSD is that big.

2TB, 3TB, or even 4TB HDD, with 64GB SSD cache on top, is still terabytes of space!!!

[Pavol]

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

I'm saying no SSD's really solve anything because I was looking for speed and at least 1TB more storage and no fairly priced SSD is that big.

2TB, 3TB, or even 4TB HDD, with 64GB SSD cache on top, is still terabytes of space!!!

You were saying I should combine an SSD with my HDD wern't you? That would make my total storage like 200GB larger than it is? Sorry but if your solution is complicated I probably won't understand it :/

[Azza ☠]

I've got a Western Digital 3TB HDD (Black Edition) with 64GB SSD (Intel Smart Response Cache) running over it.

You use the HDD just as normal. The SSD comes along, automatically caching the games and files you most commonly used onto itself as cache - faster access (SSD Performance) to the game(s) you currently play...

Move to another game and the cache is full? No worries, the cache automatically updates.

Your motherboard must however support it.

Intel Smart Response Technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U83ED4FOWiw

[Pavol]

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

I've got a Western Digital 3TB HDD (Black Edition) with 64GB SSD (Intel Smart Response Cache) running over it.

You use the HDD just as normal. The SSD comes along, automatically caching the games and files you most commonly used onto itself as cache - faster access (SSD Performance) to the game(s) you currently play...

Move to another game and the cache is full? No worries, the cache automatically updates.

So you're saying you can make your own SSHD by buying an SSD and adding it to the HHD?

[Azza ☠]

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

I've got a Western Digital 3TB HDD (Black Edition) with 64GB SSD (Intel Smart Response Cache) running over it.

You use the HDD just as normal. The SSD comes along, automatically caching the games and files you most commonly used onto itself as cache - faster access (SSD Performance) to the game(s) you currently play...

Move to another game and the cache is full? No worries, the cache automatically updates.

So you're saying you can make your own SSHD by buying an SSD and adding it to the HHD?

YES!

If on a PC, with the space, why not - it's better to create your own (if you meet the requirements), rather than using SSHD. You get the best of both worlds, and can support much larger sizes.

What is your motherboard?

[Pavol]

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

So you're saying you can make your own SSHD by buying an SSD and adding it to the HHD?

YES!

If on a PC - it's better to create your own (if you meet the requirements), rather than using SSHD.

What is your motherboard?

Think it's an Asus P8Z77-V, that's really good to know, but what about adding the extra storage? If I bought a 200GB SSD and intel clever clogged it with my 2TB HDD I wouldn't get any extra storage would I. Part of the reason I was looking at a new SSHD was for 2TB of extra storage.

Life is hard....

[The Grapist]

Sun님이 먼저 게시:

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

YES!

If on a PC - it's better to create your own (if you meet the requirements), rather than using SSHD.

What is your motherboard?

Think it's an Asus P8Z77-V, that's really good to know, but what about adding the extra storage? If I bought a 200GB SSD and intel clever clogged it with my 2TB HDD I wouldn't get any extra storage would I. Part of the reason I was looking at a new SSHD was for 2TB of extra storage.

Life is hard....

So in short, looking to go from a 2TB 7200rpm HDD. To 4TB and a faster storage method. I feel like this thread has become too confusing.

I agree, their getting caught up in throwing to many suggestions that don't really meet what you want.

Anyways, here is an ASUS Z77 motherboard setup with RAID0, should be the same process.
Just press F2, or esc, or the Del key to get into your BIOS and just follow what this guy did. It's actually quite easy to do. Just look up videos on youtube "How to setup raid 0".

I strongly recomend the RAID option, no BS, just a one time setup and you're done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1HyyfdJkHs

[Azza ☠]

Asus P8Z77-V supports "Intel Smart Response", it's another option to consider.

It's a one time setup (basically changing to RAID Controller under BIOS and installing the SSD and software) - you would be able to find guides/help online and most of it is done for you via the software. You don't need to actually setup/format the RAID, it will do that for you.

If your 2TB HDD is however already filled up and you need more space, this won't give you additional space, rather just speed up that 2TB most commonly used files/games performance levels 10 fold or more by automatically duplicating it onto the SSD cache.

HDD+SSD (using Intel Smart Response) is pretty much SSHD done separately. Depending on costs of large HDD (if more room) and/or small SSD (for cache) you still require, it might be cheaper or more expensive.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Faster storage for running the OS off of is either a fresh format SSD and have the OS on that alone.

Or have OS on a HDD and add-in an SSD for Caching purposes to help speed up OS and most commonly used apps, like AZZA explained in previous post above.

SSHD are not even worth it. Surely not worth changing your OS and everything over from HDD to SSHD. SSHD often have too small of a cache to really help, it won't this huge benefit, I can assure you. And if a drive is for general data storage/backup, SSHD is also a waste.

Do not buy any drive lower than 7200rpm to put your OS or Games onto. If you already own a slower drive, or finding that a slower drive is more affordable, use those kinds for data backups, downloads, etc. But not for running OS or actively installed apps/games off of.

There is also the RAM-Disk option. But that is only a real option if u have 16GB or above. Otherwise u won't have enough RAM to set-aside for RAM-Disk to be worth using.