best atx am5 motherboard for 7800x3d

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Im looking at either ASUS AMD ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI or MSI MPG B650 CARBON WIFI.

Im leaning towards the MSI carbon because I prefer the way it looks and Ive heard ROG have had issues with burning chips earlier on in the year but thats probably not an issue anymore. I just want to get the maximum performance from my cpu in terms of overclockability and vrms

Paired with;
r7 7800x3d
RTX 3080
32gb 6000mhz cl30
Gen 4 nvme ssd
arctic liquid freezer ii 420 aio

[Ralf]

Originally posted by C1REX:

I have B650E-E.
You make me worried. Is my model bad as well? How do they fail?

They list the failure rate in the webshop similar to Alza.

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

They've had bios updates to fix those issues.
Soon as you get the board powered up, update to latest bios via USB flash drive.

Unless you run MSI board with either Samsung or WD NVMe, the latest bios without issues is from 4 months ago(1.0.0.7c)

Originally posted by De Hollandse Ezel:

Originally posted by Ralf:

Failure rate seem a bit high in one of my local shops 9.3%, it's bigger brother Prime X670E-Pro is 7.7% and Stix X670E-E is 15.2%!

after the dramatic chip falure on X99 boards (My asus x99 ws-e board of 600+ euro did also fail after 3 years... cause an errorous made cpi on that board)...
one would thought asus had learned it's lesson...

still boards that fail early on is preferable..
-one has always at least 12 months warranty.. so it's easy to swap any part without any costs in that first year.. after that.. running any rma will cost you..

Don't forget the Z690 Hero backward capacitor

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

ive always bought the best cpus avaliable possible when i build only made the mistake once
buying a mid range M.B.fact is you get what you pay for.i ended up replacing that M.B
3 months later and never looked back again.get the best M.B you can afford my choice
for my 13900k was the asus rog strix z790e its the link between all your expensive
hardware.why people think this isnt as important or even more so is beyond me.
all the home work i did there were only 2 choices the strix z790 or the MSI mpg z790carbon
both great choices.i like the asus strix b650e-f for AMD

I bough5 for 720 euro an asus x99 ws-e/usb 3.1
(looked back what it actually cpst me more than I remembeted)

most too end motherboards in that era were not more than 300 euro. 120 euro was a good boatd.

it still broke after 3 years.

it had all those extra durable last 10+ yeats conponents.. but 1 badt made asus chip wrecked it.

asus was in that gen THE A brand.

even high end parts fail.

high end parts are not an insurance against rma's.

[CaptObvious75]

I run a 7600x with a MSI B650 Tomahawk WIFI that has blutooth. Most up to date bios runs XPG 6000mhz CL30 32GB RAM without issue. Probably cheaper than what you are looking at.

You really don't need a x670 unless your use case really calls for it.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Originally posted by CaptObvious75:

I run a 7600x with a MSI B650 Tomahawk WIFI that has blutooth. Most up to date bios runs XPG 6000mhz CL30 32GB RAM without issue. Probably cheaper than what you are looking at.

You really don't need a x670 unless your use case really calls for it.

those extra lanes and m.2 slots are nice though;)
main advantage of an x chip.

[Madtoast]

Just for info my 7800x3d hasn't used more than 95w yet and idles at 24/25w.
I put a 250w air cooler on it. I thought it was overkill but it flies through every game at 5Ghz if it needs to and so far and the chip hasn't gone over 77 °C. Max temps occur when the game boots in 10 seconds or less :)

I got B650-E Strix, 3060ti, 2TB nme, 32GB 5600mhz CL36, I don't think memory speed is that important as you already have 96mb L3 cache.

also the Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL has plastic covering the glass on the inside too. It took me a week to spot it. :)

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Whatever you do just make sure it's not Asus to avoid your system literally melting. Gamer's nexus showed us that video. It's still not 100% clear if Asus fixed it with bios updates but you could get an old Asus AM5 board without the bios updates, turn it on and melt it before you can get it updated.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Shaggin'Wagon:

Whatever you do just make sure it's not Asus to avoid your system literally melting. Gamer's nexus showed us that video. It's still not 100% clear if Asus fixed it with bios updates but you could get an old Asus AM5 board without the bios updates, turn it on and melt it before you can get it updated.

It’s fixed now.
Just update your BIOS before activating EXPO to be sure. Other brands were affected as well.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Originally posted by C1REX:

It’s fixed now.
Just update your BIOS before activating EXPO to be sure. Other brands were affected as well.

You entirely missed the point I just made. It doesn't matter if it's fixed today with a bios update. Someone could buy one of those motherboards that has been sitting on a shelf in a warehouse since AM5 first launched with an old bios on it, install a 7800X3D, and then have it melt when they turn it on and not even be able to make it far enough to update it's bios to install the fixes.

Buying a part brand new: Yes everyone should avoid Asus AM5 motherboards.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Ralf:

Originally posted by C1REX:

I have B650E-E.
You make me worried. Is my model bad as well? How do they fail?

They list the failure rate in the webshop similar to Alza.

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

They've had bios updates to fix those issues.
Soon as you get the board powered up, update to latest bios via USB flash drive.

Unless you run MSI board with either Samsung or WD NVMe, the latest bios without issues is from 4 months ago(1.0.0.7c)

Originally posted by De Hollandse Ezel:

after the dramatic chip falure on X99 boards (My asus x99 ws-e board of 600+ euro did also fail after 3 years... cause an errorous made cpi on that board)...
one would thought asus had learned it's lesson...

still boards that fail early on is preferable..
-one has always at least 12 months warranty.. so it's easy to swap any part without any costs in that first year.. after that.. running any rma will cost you..

Don't forget the Z690 Hero backward capacitor

4 months is still new enough.

Just cause you go and buy a Motherboard now, there is no guarantee which bios version it will come with since that board you end up getting could have sat on the shelf for a couple months and might ship with an older bios

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Shaggin'Wagon:

Originally posted by C1REX:

It’s fixed now.
Just update your BIOS before activating EXPO to be sure. Other brands were affected as well.

You entirely missed the point I just made. It doesn't matter if it's fixed today with a bios update. Someone could buy one of those motherboards that has been sitting on a shelf in a warehouse since AM5 first launched with an old bios on it, install a 7800X3D, and then have it melt when they turn it on and not even be able to make it far enough to update it's bios to install the fixes.

Buying a part brand new: Yes everyone should avoid Asus AM5 motherboards.

I haven’t missed your point.

Overvolting the SoC, where the memory controller is located, was only happening with the EXPO profile activated. I haven’t seen proof of the problem happening without EXPO.

All AM5 motherboards feature BIOS flashback functionality, which means you can update the BIOS without a CPU, RAM, and even a GPU inserted. The motherboard itself has a basic GPU to display the BIOS/UEFI.

Also, ASUS wasn’t the only brand affected but handled the situation the worst. The problem also affected MSI, ASRock, Gigabyte/AORUS, and BIOSTAR, so avoiding ASUS wouldn't guarantee safety.

Here is more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/12yq4yb/megathread_for_am5_ryzen_7000/

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Overvolting the SoC, where the memory controller is located, was only happening with the EXPO profile activated. I haven’t seen proof of the problem happening without EXPO.

Then I would suggest you go watch the gamer's nexus video series about the problem. They demonstrated that it will actually cause the problem even without EXPO loaded.

Originally posted by C1REX:

All AM5 motherboards feature BIOS flashback functionality, which means you can update the BIOS without a CPU, RAM, and even a GPU inserted. The motherboard itself has a basic GPU to display the BIOS/UEFI.

That's great and all but not everyone knows to do this. What if they just assemble the system and don't know to update the bios first, switch it on and *bam* it happens? That would be a sad day.

[Crashed]

I believe the AMD fire hazard has been mitigated; if your board has a BIOS flash button that works without a CPU and RAM, use that to flash the latest BIOS to the board before installing the CPU to be safe. Otherwise, make sure flashing the BIOS is the first thing you do on the first boot unless you want barbecue CPU.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Shaggin'Wagon:

That's great and all but not everyone knows to do this. What if they just assemble the system and don't know to update the bios first, switch it on and *bam* it happens? That would be a sad day.

What if they buy MSI, ASRock or Gigabyte and never update the BIOS?
All brands were affected. All brands released fixed BIOS. The main difference was the popularity of ASUS products and how they handled the situation.

[pasa]

I built mine with that exact asus model. And IIRC it runs circles around that MSI just on paper specs...

Also, 7800x3d is one of the most economic cpu-s out there, it does not need water cooling, or even a big air cooler. So a peerless assassin or something like that would do the same job at fraction of price, less hassle and less risk.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by pasa:

I built mine with that exact asus model. And IIRC it runs circles around that MSI just on paper specs...

Also, 7800x3d is one of the most economic cpu-s out there, it does not need water cooling, or even a big air cooler. So a peerless assassin or something like that would do the same job at fraction of price, less hassle and less risk.

I agree with you that this CPU doesn't need the top end cooling and a Peerless Assassin is plenty, but it's not the easiest CPU to cool either. It consumes very little energy but the 3D v-cache works like a thermal insulation. The TDP of this CPU is rated at 120W. That's a lot when you compare it to the 12 core Ryzen 7900 (non X) with a TDP of 65. Because of the challenging cooling it's clocked lower than other Ryzen CPUs.