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Arbiter of mediocrity Sep 7 @ 12:13pm

Good info about intel

Tile-based SOC? Specifically by how much it improves yields.

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_I_ Sep 7 @ 12:29pm

its funny that intel was saying amd 'glued' their cpus together, but thats what they are doing now too

improved yeilds since its smaller parts and single defects only effect each chiplet instead of the monolith

better yes since they can pair top performing chiplets to make the best cpus
and lower tiers are all composed of similar performing chiplets

id like to see them ditch the e cores completely
who wants slow cores over fast ones
for gaming you want all cores to perform same to prevent stuttering

Guydodge Sep 7 @ 12:37pm

Originally posted by _I_:
its funny that intel was saying amd 'glued' their cpus together, but thats what they are doing now too

improved yeilds since its smaller parts and single defects only effect each chiplet instead of the monolith

better yes since they can pair top performing chiplets to make the best cpus
and lower tiers are all composed of similar performing chiplets

id like to see them ditch the e cores completely
who wants slow cores over fast ones
for gaming you want all cores to perform same to prevent stuttering

for one you can turn off e cores if you like and two as a owner of a 14900k having e cores
enables me to run movies,surf internet even download while gaming with zero
performance hit in game.also have tested e cores on and off while gaming there
is zero difference in gaming performance at least in 4k cant make any claims in
1440 or 1080p but i highly doubt theres any difference there as well.

Last edited by Guydodge; Sep 7 @ 12:37pm

_I_ Sep 7 @ 12:45pm

i know you can, but not having any in the first place would be preferred for gaming

when gpu bottlenecked cpu makes little difference

for high fps when not gpu bottlenecked, more stable cpu clocks will give more even frame pacing

Monk Sep 7 @ 1:03pm

Originally posted by Guydodge:
Originally posted by _I_:
its funny that intel was saying amd 'glued' their cpus together, but thats what they are doing now too

improved yeilds since its smaller parts and single defects only effect each chiplet instead of the monolith

better yes since they can pair top performing chiplets to make the best cpus
and lower tiers are all composed of similar performing chiplets

id like to see them ditch the e cores completely
who wants slow cores over fast ones
for gaming you want all cores to perform same to prevent stuttering
for one you can turn off e cores if you like and two as a owner of a 14900k having e cores
enables me to run movies,surf internet even download while gaming with zero
performance hit in game.also have tested e cores on and off while gaming there
is zero difference in gaming performance at least in 4k cant make any claims in
1440 or 1080p but i highly doubt theres any difference there as well.

Problem with Ecoresp is they use a bunch of power and produce a bunch of heat which isn't needed for gaming or any regular tasks you may do while gaming.

From a productivity pov, they are good, from a pure gaming performance pov, give me a pure P core cpu, it would run faster and cooler.

Personally I disable the e cores on my 14900ks.

Arbiter of mediocrity Sep 7 @ 2:50pm

Originally posted by Monk:
Originally posted by Guydodge:
for one you can turn off e cores if you like and two as a owner of a 14900k having e cores
enables me to run movies,surf internet even download while gaming with zero
performance hit in game.also have tested e cores on and off while gaming there
is zero difference in gaming performance at least in 4k cant make any claims in
1440 or 1080p but i highly doubt theres any difference there as well.

Problem with Ecoresp is they use a bunch of power and produce a bunch of heat which isn't needed for gaming or any regular tasks you may do while gaming.

From a productivity pov, they are good, from a pure gaming performance pov, give me a pure P core cpu, it would run faster and cooler.

Personally I disable the e cores on my 14900ks.

Yeah I disabled the e-cores on my 12600k and 13700k too. It's too much hassle for little payoff if your most demanding workload is gaming.

Apparently intel is planning to release Bartlett-lake which is a 12 p-core SOC but outside of maybe better cooling capacity - since the p-cores are spread across the die - I see no reason why anyone with a 13900k or 9800x3d should upgrade to it. a 13900k - 14900k can easily saturate a 5090 at 4k max settings.
I guess hardcore enthusiasts that are interested in gaming and productivity would buy it?

With that said I'll consider upgrading my CPU whenever camm2 becomes available. After seeing some of the kits that were advertised in China - cl18 7600MT/s 1.1v - I'm pretty excited to see how much the upcoming CPU gens will benefit from it.

Monk Sep 7 @ 2:53pm

I'm holding off delidding my 14900ks to see if intel's rumoured P core only cpu turns up on lga 1700, if it dies, I'll likely pick one up, if not, I'm sticking with this 14900ks / apex encore / ddr5 8000 fir a while I suspect.

Arbiter of mediocrity Sep 7 @ 3:00pm

Originally posted by Monk:
I'm holding off delidding my 14900ks to see if intel's rumoured P core only cpu turns up on lga 1700, if it dies, I'll likely pick one up, if not, I'm sticking with this 14900ks / apex encore / ddr5 8000 fir a while I suspect.

It's rumoured to be lga 1700 but there are also rumours that intel has cancelled it. Who knows with the new CEO.

_I_ Sep 7 @ 3:05pm

intel moved to ultra series, socket 1851
i highly doubt they will release any more socket 1700 cpus

you would need a new board and maybe ddr5 if yours is on ddr4

Last edited by _I_; Sep 7 @ 3:07pm

Monk Sep 7 @ 4:26pm

Originally posted by _I_:
intel moved to ultra series, socket 1851
i highly doubt they will release any more socket 1700 cpus

you would need a new board and maybe ddr5 if yours is on ddr4

It was a rumour for quite a while seeing as lga1700 is still out selling core ultra it made some sense lol

Last edited by Monk; Sep 7 @ 4:26pm

Arbiter of mediocrity Sep 7 @ 4:27pm

Originally posted by Monk:
Originally posted by _I_:
intel moved to ultra series, socket 1851
i highly doubt they will release any more socket 1700 cpus

you would need a new board and maybe ddr5 if yours is on ddr4

It was a rumour for quite a while seeing as lga1700 is still out selling core ultra it made some sense lol

And 13700k and 14700k increased in price while barely anyone touched the 265k.

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Monk Sep 7 @ 4:41pm

Yeah, which is odd, I mean most who buy the fastest chips don't run stuff or have screens to take advantage of the full potential, heck, I know I don't lol, the 265 etc are great chips by all accounts, they just don't have those headline grabbing numbers.

But, no one should buy a chip that isn't the best value for their needs and outside of some microcentre deals, AMD tends to have Intel beat for most people.

I just hope Intel can bounce back fast so we don't have a decade of no competition.

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_I_ Sep 7 @ 4:48pm

the first gen of ultra were a step backwards from 14th i series

but they do not have the flaws of 13-14th gen i series

its really no wonder they were not selling as good, lower performance and potential customers lost trust in intel and amd has better gaming cpus

1700 has about 60 cpus to pick from
1851 only has about 11 cpus

so yes it makes sense that first gen u is not selling as good as 12-13-14gen cpus

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Arbiter of mediocrity Sep 7 @ 4:59pm

Originally posted by Monk:
Yeah, which is odd, I mean most who buy the fastest chips don't run stuff or have screens to take advantage of the full potential, heck, I know I don't lol, the 265 etc are great chips by all accounts, they just don't have those headline grabbing numbers.

But, no one should buy a chip that isn't the best value for their needs and outside of some microcentre deals, AMD tends to have Intel beat for most people.

I just hope Intel can bounce back fast so we don't have a decade of no competition.

Yeah me neither. I mostly game and if I want something running in the background I got a cheap Apple TV that can take care of that without stressing my system.

LOL tell that to people who believe the next upgrade is going to make them fall in love with games again. I agree with your sentiment but most still need to come to that conclusion.

I hope so too. AMD has a few appealing aspects that wins people over. Efficiency and no worries about motherboard and ram.
Let's be positive and wait for nova lake.

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