AMD AI max+ pro 395

[Corona Scurrae]

Seems like AMD might be planning to release this SOC for the enthusiast market

[A&A]

Average mobile NPU.


System Memory Type
256-bit LPDDR5x

That's not cool.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

APU junk.
AMD has nothing really up their sleeves above what they currently have until at least 2026. This is why their stock dropped so much in last few months

[Corona Scurrae]

You can say what you want but there is nothing average or junk about this SOC. If they sell it to enthusiasts with 32gb lpddr5x for 500$ then it's a great alternative for people interested in sff

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Corona Scurrae:

You can say what you want but there is nothing average or junk about this SOC. If they sell it to enthusiasts with 32gb lpddr5x for 500$ then it's a great alternative for people interested in sff

And how is that going to be realistic when the 9070 even, is now around 749+

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Originally posted by Corona Scurrae:

You can say what you want but there is nothing average or junk about this SOC. If they sell it to enthusiasts with 32gb lpddr5x for 500$ then it's a great alternative for people interested in sff

And how is that going to be realistic when the 9070 even, is now around 749+

That's irrelevant considering you get a CPU and GPU in a small package that you can stuff in a tiny enclosure

It's obviously not meant to outclass mid to high range setups

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Again this is something for a Laptop or Handheld. It might be powerful given the performance per power and given its small package size. However it's still laughable on the enthusiast side of things

[Masque]

This would be huge news if you could stick it in your existing AM5 socket.

But you can't, so it's not.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Again this is something for a Laptop or Handheld. It might be powerful given the performance per power and given its small package size. However it's still laughable on the enthusiast side of things

Not for sff but you don't seem to grasp that fact

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Masque:

This would be huge news if you could stick it in your existing AM5 socket.

But you can't, so it's not.

That's an interesting point. Let's see how they handle the situation

[Bad 💀 Motha]

ASUS for example has a line of Laptops (ROG FLOW) for around 2800-3200 with this exact model of NPU. Could be promising if the GPU can do well enough. This whole AI label is just BS marketing though; aimed to be certified for MS Co-Pilot; which basically no consumer cares about anyways

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

APU junk.
AMD has nothing really up their sleeves above what they currently have until at least 2026. This is why their stock dropped so much in last few months

I think you are (woefully) out dated on your info here.

The APU in question has GPU performance on par with a 4060 mobile or a RX-6600/RTX -2060 Super desktop class GPU.

It also has Ai compute that is roughly 3x faster than an RTX-5080 Desktop class GPU...

so yeh, keep on keeping on with that APU = Junk concept lol...

This APU is frankly one of the most exciting released from any tech company in a long time. Its the power of what was an upper mid-range desktop (16c/32t CPU and RTX 2060 Super GPU) in a single SoC that fits in your palm. If thats not exciting I dont know what is. lol

And yeh, to the ones saying its a SFF killer part, no joke there. This will allow NUC sized gaming rigs.

[A&A]

Originally posted by Corona Scurrae:

You can say what you want but there is nothing average or junk about this SOC. If they sell it to enthusiasts with 32gb lpddr5x for 500$ then it's a great alternative for people interested in sff

32GB is terrible for APU.
Also if they do then I don't know how they will keep up with their claims that can outperform with 2x a 4090 running Lama 3.1 70B while this stupid LLM allocates 150GB for breakfast.
Considering only a Ryzen 9 9950X is 550USD, don't keep your hopes up.

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

It also has Ai compute that is roughly 3x faster than an RTX-5080 Desktop class GPU...

I don't know where you take this off. It is UP TO 50TFlops (FT8 or 4? Nothing mentioned about that). A 5080 can do 56TFlops FT16 and 32 so 8 and 4.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by A&A:

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

It also has Ai compute that is roughly 3x faster than an RTX-5080 Desktop class GPU...

I don't know where you take this off. It is UP TO 50TFlops (FT8? Nothing said about that). A 5080 can do 56TFlops FT16 and 32 so and 8.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-ai-max-395-strix-halo-apu-over-3x-faster-rtx-5080-in-deepseek-benchmarks/

TFlops dont matter without the memory capacity to match when the Ai workloads need the information in memory to push through the TFlops...

For clarity the 5080 is still ahead as long as the Ai memory load is 16gb or less, but the moment it goes past that the APU wipes the floor with it. Same reason Apples new SOC is such an Ai power house. Unified memory pools up to 128GB.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You also have keep in mind, any APU no matter how good will always be using shared RAM as VRAM, tbat means you need to install about 48- 64GB of RAM just to make it have enough VRAM. THEN on top of tbat, all RAM is "slow" compared to actual GPU onboard VRAM. So it' being beneficial to many goes out the window. Sure the CPU portion of it is good but the gpu portion is still far behind. It doesn't matter if you have a 32 core CPU with a Radeon 6800 class of GPU onboard, it's relying on shared RAM which will bottleneck the entire PC and its tasks even more then usual.

This kind of chip is better suited for Laptopa (which is already available in) and Handheld types and maybe a lower budget Console.

Unless they can come up with RAM that can function at around 12-16K Mhz or more.... maybe... and create it all in a way to where the APU has faster access to said shared RAM, its always going to have slow down related issues

DDR5 is only at around 7K Mhz now and that's with a heavy OC. You're not going to see Laptops and Handhelds able to do that for many years to come.

Just for reference:

DDR5 @ 7000 Mhz has a data bandwidth of approx 56Gbps

VRAM onboard a Radeon 6600 Desktop GPU has a bandwidth of approx 224Gbps with its 128bit interface (which is considered slow in 2025)

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

You also have keep in mind, any APU no matter how good will always be using shared RAM as VRAM, tbat means you need to install about 48- 64GB of RAM just to make it have enough VRAM. THEN on top of tbat, all RAM is "slow" compared to actual GPU onboard VRAM. So it' being beneficial to many goes out the window. Sure the CPU portion of it is good but the gpu portion is still far behind. It doesn't matter if you have a 32 core CPU with a Radeon 6800 class of GPU onboard, it's relying on shared RAM which will bottleneck the entire PC and its tasks even more then usual.

This kind of chip is better suited for Laptopa (which is already available in) and Handheld types and maybe a lower budget Console.

Unless they can come up with RAM that can function at around 12-16K Mhz or more.... maybe... and create it all in a way to where the APU has faster access to said shared RAM, its always going to have slow down related issues

DDR5 is only at around 7K Mhz now and that's with a heavy OC. You're not going to see Laptops and Handhelds able to do that for many years to come.

Just for reference:

DDR5 @ 7000 Mhz has a data bandwidth of approx 56Gbps

VRAM onboard a Radeon 6600 Desktop GPU has a bandwidth of approx 224Gbps with its 128bit interface (which is considered slow in 2025)

Again, you are woefully out of date.

This APU offer *desktop* RTX 2060s or RX-6600 performance. It does *not* have a weak iGPU, it has quite literally the worlds best iGPU made to date and offers lower mid-range dedicated desktop performance. Its a single SoC that is basically a full gaming and Ai computer cappable of 1440p gaming and large LLM workloads.

But keep on saying how poop it is rather than... I dont know... educate yourself on the new product?

Again, I am not saying its the best thing since apple pie, but it *is* the most impressive single chip solution outside Apple Silicon right now. And if it is *any* indication of where APU's are going we might see some amazing things on desktop in the near future.