If Ray Tracing is still not universal...

[Floymin]

What do I do if an RT card is required, but a game's engine is only compatible with Radeon, but not Nvidia, or vice-versa?

[C1REX]

Postat inițial de Floymin:

What do I do if an RT card is required, but a game's engine is only compatible with Radeon, but not Nvidia, or vice-versa?

What game?
Both AMD and Nvidia support RayTracing. Nvidia offer better performance but for light RT both do the job.
There is no game compatible only with Radeon.

[Midnight Aurais]

there is no nvidia only raytracing and amd only raytracing or heck intel only raytracing it is not how this works nvidia was first with their tensor cores being able to do raytracing while amd brute forced it and then they started to dedicate stuff to it there is also cpu raytracing

things like dlss is locked to nvidia but fsr xess works on all dlss framegen is locked to 40 series on nvidia but fsr framegen works on intel and nvidia too

also games that implement raytracing aren't the same as games that were created ground up with raytracing i can run indiana jones which is a raytracing only title at 72 fps at 4k without upscaler on a 6950 xt but i do the same in cyberpunk which has a implemented variant and sit around 38-40 with upscaler but if i turn off raytracing i am capped at 120 fps at 4k

[Floymin]

Postat inițial de C1REX:

Postat inițial de Floymin:

What do I do if an RT card is required, but a game's engine is only compatible with Radeon, but not Nvidia, or vice-versa?

What game?
Both AMD and Nvidia support RayTracing. Nvidia offer better performance but for light RT both do the job.
There is no game compatible only with Radeon.

Indiana Jones and Final Fantasy Rebirth. I'm seeing reports of compatibility and framerate issues with specific cards.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Stick to NVIDIA and you'll be fine. Such as RTX 4070 / 5070 or better.

Be mindful of the lack of GPU PhysX with RTX 50 series.

If you must go Radeon and want better Ray Tracing; then take a strong look towards the new RX 9070 XT GPU

[Monk]

Postat inițial de Floymin:

Postat inițial de C1REX:

What game?
Both AMD and Nvidia support RayTracing. Nvidia offer better performance but for light RT both do the job.
There is no game compatible only with Radeon.

Indiana Jones and Final Fantasy Rebirth. I'm seeing reports of compatibility and framerate issues with specific cards.

With which cards? What reports?
What res and settings and what's the rest of the hardware?

Most of the time it's just some people on forums running stuff well beyond their hardware.

[Floymin]

Postat inițial de Bad 💀 Motha:

Stick to NVIDIA and you'll be fine. Such as RTX 4070 / 5070 or better.

Be mindful of the lack of GPU PhysX with RTX 50 series.

If you must go Radeon and want better Ray Tracing; then take a strong look towards the new RX 9070 XT GPU

Unfortunately, the 4K series at 12GB is still above my budget - starting at $400.
Honestly, I don't remember devs prioritizing hardware gimikry so early in its trend since 2000. Usually, game devs and hardware manufacturers gave each other time to catch up.

[skOsH♥]

This is why I bought a 7900xtx when they came out...because it's the same as a 4080 slightly less power draw I run nothing higher than 2k, I also use Linux for stuff, it was a no brainer. In the very near future the AI will be able to do ray tracing just based off of using more of the vram which likely is not going to see much utilization until then since I think it's 24gb on this card. The high vram allocation is likely for this purpose

Buy a 7900xtx or the new 9070 amd card. Or wait less than a year and there will likely be additional amd cards that'll blow our socks off...at least one.

I used to think you needed nvidia for ray tracing...well, not really. They just came out with that "rtx" term out the gate and everyone thought "oh shoot ray tracing is in this game guess I need an rtx".

Good marketing campaign.

If I can run cyberpunk with path tracing at the same fps that a 4080 can then idc. Idk, if nvidia's cards have come down in price...I haven't checked them in a while, then you could also go nvidia. Nothing wrong with their cards. Just amd before the 7000 series is a no-go...Basically anything previous or current gen i would go for...but not if they're overpriced

The point I am arriving at, is that it doesn't really matter. Both amd and nvidia will just have AI that can run all that ray tracing easy peasy with less workload in like, 18 months?

Only thing that has improved is the memory bandwidth and bus, really, for both companies.

[Floymin]

Postat inițial de skOsH:

This is why I bought a 7900xtx when they came out...because it's the same as a 4080 slightly less power draw I run nothing higher than 2k, I also use Linux for stuff, it was a no brainer. In the very near future the AI will be able to do ray tracing just based off of using more of the vram which likely is not going to see much utilization until then since I think it's 24gb on this card. The high vram allocation is likely for this purpose

Buy a 7900xtx or the new 9070 amd card. Or wait less than a year and there will likely be additional amd cards that'll blow our socks off...at least one.

I used to think you needed nvidia for ray tracing...well, not really. They just came out with that "rtx" term out the gate and everyone thought "oh shoot ray tracing is in this game guess I need an rtx".

Good marketing campaign.

If I can run cyberpunk with path tracing at the same fps that a 4080 can then idc. Idk, if nvidia's cards have come down in price...I haven't checked them in a while, then you could also go nvidia. Nothing wrong with their cards. Just amd before the 7000 series is a no-go...Basically anything previous or current gen i would go for...but not if they're overpriced

The point I am arriving at, is that it doesn't really matter. Both amd and nvidia will just have AI that can run all that ray tracing easy peasy with less workload in like, 18 months?

Only thing that has improved is the memory bandwidth and bus, really, for both companies.

So I have to wait 18 months for hardware ray tracing to become standard so that I can finally buy a 12GB RTX4070 at a decent price. Sad that we've returned to the proprietary tactics of the 90s.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Where you all getting this "in 18 months" crap from?

Basically everything that will be out for consumer GPUs, will be all on the table by March/April; then that'll be it for quite a while.

IDK about AMD but this AI crap term is used without any thinking on your part.
NVIDIA GPUs have had a form of onboard AI since RTX 20 series.

[skOsH♥]

Okay..

I'm just following what is the current trajectory I am seeing in AI. I suppose pattern recognition but I guess I didn't think at all thanks ffs

[Monk]

Well, your 7900xtx does not do raytracing as well as a 4080, sadly, it also won't be done just in memory, with 'ai'.

The reason nvidia is so far ahead is the dedicated hardware to run raytracing which AMD are now finally introducing with the 9070.

Afraid to tell you thst your 7900xtx uses far more power, not less also :(

Not really sure where you hit your ideas from, but I'd look for a new source.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Good lord yes, the power Radeon GPUs use is a joke compared to RTX 40 series.
7900 XTX, your power usage is right up there with RTX 4090 or 5090
9070 XT might not dish out as much FPS, but it certainly can do RT & PT better then any previous Radeon GPU and will support FSR4, which is exclusive to that series.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

Stop creating problem in your head bro, Raytracing wont be a thing

[Floymin]

Postat inițial de ˢᵈˣ FatCat:

Stop creating problem in your head bro, Raytracing wont be a thing

Aaand by trivializing it using vague language, you made it worse. Thanks.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

What are u guys doing talking about
something in a far future, are you some oracle, you guys had no enoug problem that need talking future problem
What next what if there is DDR6 already? What should we do ? Dunndunn dunn well just buy it later *duh