About latest RX 9070 XT card

[Bill the Butcher]

I've usually used Nvidia cards but I'm really interested in the AMD one for the price point. Noob question but they will work (like installing and using) similar to the RTX cards right? Or is there anything different?

[Lithurge]

Yes they work the same, the only things you won't be able to use are Nvidia specific features in games, e.g. Nvidia's hardware based ray tracing and DLSS as they require relevant hardware on the card.

If you're putting it in a system that currently has a Nvidia card in it, then just make sure you use something like display driver uninstaller to remove the Nvidia drivers before installing it.

[Bill the Butcher]

Originally posted by Lithurge:

Yes they work the same, the only things you won't be able to use are Nvidia specific features in games, e.g. Nvidia's hardware based ray tracing and DLSS as they require relevant hardware on the card.

If you're putting it in a system that currently has a Nvidia card in it, then just make sure you use something like display driver uninstaller to remove the Nvidia drivers before installing it.

Ok. Do AMD cards have an equivalent to ray tracing or DLSS? Or something similar.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

Originally posted by Lithurge:

Yes they work the same, the only things you won't be able to use are Nvidia specific features in games, e.g. Nvidia's hardware based ray tracing and DLSS as they require relevant hardware on the card.

If you're putting it in a system that currently has a Nvidia card in it, then just make sure you use something like display driver uninstaller to remove the Nvidia drivers before installing it.

Ok. Do AMD cards have an equivalent to ray tracing or DLSS? Or something similar.

Ray Tracing works on AMD even on older models. Slower but works. This time should be very close if not faster at Ray Tracing per dollar than Nvidia.
If the 9070xt will realistically cost close or even less than incoming 5070 while offering performance closer to 5070Ti with 16GB of memory then it’s a convincing offer.

But you will lose access to DLSS upscaling. That’s a big loss worth consideration. Unless you are on a 1080p monitor where upscaling has no much value.

When swapping to a new GPU brand it’s highly advisable to cleanly uninstall old drivers first. It’s done with DDU app in safe mode (check YT for guides).
Some even recommend to make a clean Windows installation for the best results.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

Originally posted by Lithurge:

Yes they work the same, the only things you won't be able to use are Nvidia specific features in games, e.g. Nvidia's hardware based ray tracing and DLSS as they require relevant hardware on the card.

If you're putting it in a system that currently has a Nvidia card in it, then just make sure you use something like display driver uninstaller to remove the Nvidia drivers before installing it.

Ok. Do AMD cards have an equivalent to ray tracing or DLSS? Or something similar.

FSR is the equivalent to DLSS.

FSR is usually inferior to DLSS because DLSS had hardware to help while FSR doesn't. That changes with the 9070. The 9070 will have hardware to help with FSR4.

[Bill the Butcher]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

Ok. Do AMD cards have an equivalent to ray tracing or DLSS? Or something similar.

Ray Tracing works on AMD even on older models. Slower but works. This time should be very close if not faster at Ray Tracing per dollar than Nvidia.
If the 9070xt will realistically cost close or even less than incoming 5070 while offering performance closer to 5070Ti with 16GB of memory then it’s a convincing offer.

But you will lose access to DLSS upscaling. That’s a big loss worth consideration. Unless you are on a 1080p monitor where upscaling has no much value.

When swapping to a new GPU brand it’s highly advisable to cleanly uninstall old drivers first. It’s done with DDU app in safe mode (check YT for guides).
Some even recommend to make a clean Windows installation for the best results.

So uninstall old drivers and then install new card. Ok. I'd prefer to not do a clean Windows install if possible.

[ᶻ𝗓𐰁]

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

Originally posted by C1REX:

Ray Tracing works on AMD even on older models. Slower but works. This time should be very close if not faster at Ray Tracing per dollar than Nvidia.
If the 9070xt will realistically cost close or even less than incoming 5070 while offering performance closer to 5070Ti with 16GB of memory then it’s a convincing offer.

But you will lose access to DLSS upscaling. That’s a big loss worth consideration. Unless you are on a 1080p monitor where upscaling has no much value.

When swapping to a new GPU brand it’s highly advisable to cleanly uninstall old drivers first. It’s done with DDU app in safe mode (check YT for guides).
Some even recommend to make a clean Windows installation for the best results.

So uninstall old drivers and then install new card. Ok. I'd prefer to not do a clean Windows install if possible.

Yeah but when I switched I needed an extra file because the AMD driver relied o na file that got deleted with the Nvidia driver and I had to acquire it separately but that my just be a me issue

[Zef]

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

Originally posted by C1REX:

Ray Tracing works on AMD even on older models. Slower but works. This time should be very close if not faster at Ray Tracing per dollar than Nvidia.
If the 9070xt will realistically cost close or even less than incoming 5070 while offering performance closer to 5070Ti with 16GB of memory then it’s a convincing offer.

But you will lose access to DLSS upscaling. That’s a big loss worth consideration. Unless you are on a 1080p monitor where upscaling has no much value.

When swapping to a new GPU brand it’s highly advisable to cleanly uninstall old drivers first. It’s done with DDU app in safe mode (check YT for guides).
Some even recommend to make a clean Windows installation for the best results.

So uninstall old drivers and then install new card. Ok. I'd prefer to not do a clean Windows install if possible.

Make sure to run DDU in SAFE MODE (yes it's important) before you install your new GPU.

https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/

[DarkStarClassic]

Adrenalin driver from AMD you maybe even like more then Nvidia driver. As most already said DDU is a must(don't forget in SAVEMODE) easy use of this application.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by DarkStarClassic:

Adrenalin driver from AMD you maybe even like more then Nvidia driver. As most already said DDU is a must(don't forget in SAVEMODE) easy use of this application.

Like it more how?

Better GUI visuals = Yes
Well thought out customization options = LOL Nope

[ᶻ𝗓𐰁]

Imagine having to register an account and memorize a password just to access your own GPU functions.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by ᶻ𝗓𐰁:

Imagine having to register an account and memorize a password just to access your own GPU functions.

Not any more.
New Nvidia app is very similar to AMD Adrenaline.

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

I've usually used Nvidia cards but I'm really interested in the AMD one for the price point. Noob question but they will work (like installing and using) similar to the RTX cards right? Or is there anything different?

I have a 7900 xt, so preformance wise about the same as the 9070, essentially its a fantastic gpu, I run 4k and most games will play nice with that and my 60hz monitor, some games demand I turn them down to 1440p, ready or not is the one I can think of off the top of my head, or later on in satisfactory when I make a near cluster ♥♥♥♥ of a base.

fsr is pretty good at upscaling however it has artifacts and if you know what to look for you will never unsee them, same with dlss and sam with frame gen from both companies.

vram will be an issue depending on game or if you mod, but my issues come from that bit of tism I have about computers and not a normal thing for everyone.

I honestly suggest against going higher end than 9070 or a 9070 class gpu if you don't have an unlimited budget, I honestly think we are going to see some rapid games from both companies in terms of how ray tracing works and what ai they apply to them to get more out of less, we are still kind of seeing actual generational improvements on that front, even if nvidia is not improving much in raster or going backwards with physx support.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by eqalidan:

Originally posted by Bill the Butcher:

I've usually used Nvidia cards but I'm really interested in the AMD one for the price point. Noob question but they will work (like installing and using) similar to the RTX cards right? Or is there anything different?

I have a 7900 xt, so preformance wise about the same as the 9070, essentially its a fantastic gpu, I run 4k and most games will play nice with that and my 60hz monitor, some games demand I turn them down to 1440p, ready or not is the one I can think of off the top of my head, or later on in satisfactory when I make a near cluster ♥♥♥♥ of a base.

fsr is pretty good at upscaling however it has artifacts and if you know what to look for you will never unsee them, same with dlss and sam with frame gen from both companies.

vram will be an issue depending on game or if you mod, but my issues come from that bit of tism I have about computers and not a normal thing for everyone.

I honestly suggest against going higher end than 9070 or a 9070 class gpu if you don't have an unlimited budget, I honestly think we are going to see some rapid games from both companies in terms of how ray tracing works and what ai they apply to them to get more out of less, we are still kind of seeing actual generational improvements on that front, even if nvidia is not improving much in raster or going backwards with physx support.

The 9070 and 9070 XT have hardware for FSR upscaling and Ray Tracing now. So even if the base performance is the same as the older card, they will win on Ray Tracing and being able to use FSR4

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

The 9070 and 9070 XT have hardware for FSR upscaling and Ray Tracing now. So even if the base performance is the same as the older card, they will win on Ray Tracing and being able to use FSR4

Pretty much this.
Thus they cant be compared to the RTX 7000 series. From what Ive heard and read, FSR 4 seems to use KI, just like DLSS, which has been developed by Sony and AMD. Seems to be a gamechanger and cant be compared to FSR 3.1. They are totally different. FSR 3.1 is a joke. Even XESS looks and works better.

FSR 4 will also be exclusive to the RTX 9000 series and cant be used by any other manufacturer.

Its a shame that AMD didnt go for the high end segment. That would have prevented me to switch teams from red to green.
FSR 4 and the optimized RT implementation can be looked at as a milestone.

Ther is literally no reason to consider a 7900XT or a 7900XTX when you can put your hands on a 9070 or a 9070XT.

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by eqalidan:

I have a 7900 xt, so preformance wise about the same as the 9070, essentially its a fantastic gpu, I run 4k and most games will play nice with that and my 60hz monitor, some games demand I turn them down to 1440p, ready or not is the one I can think of off the top of my head, or later on in satisfactory when I make a near cluster ♥♥♥♥ of a base.

fsr is pretty good at upscaling however it has artifacts and if you know what to look for you will never unsee them, same with dlss and sam with frame gen from both companies.

vram will be an issue depending on game or if you mod, but my issues come from that bit of tism I have about computers and not a normal thing for everyone.

I honestly suggest against going higher end than 9070 or a 9070 class gpu if you don't have an unlimited budget, I honestly think we are going to see some rapid games from both companies in terms of how ray tracing works and what ai they apply to them to get more out of less, we are still kind of seeing actual generational improvements on that front, even if nvidia is not improving much in raster or going backwards with physx support.

The 9070 and 9070 XT have hardware for FSR upscaling and Ray Tracing now. So even if the base performance is the same as the older card, they will win on Ray Tracing and being able to use FSR4

and unless amd back ports future versions to the 9070 you are sol stuck on 4, if that even get supported, then if you want ray tracing, you are again stuck on what's current, I think there are 3 games that require ray tracing to play, maybe 2 given stalkers minimum specs, the games that will out right require raytracing will likely come en mass with a new console generation, till they they will be outliers, and any gpu currently out, will likely run those games like ♥♥♥♥ so its not worth looking in the future.

as for fsr4, good god did their tech demo that I assume featured it look like ♥♥♥♥. from the object trails to the jittery lighting, fsr is and always will be a feture you use because you need to, not because you want to, same with dlss

Originally posted by Schrute_Farms_B&B:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

The 9070 and 9070 XT have hardware for FSR upscaling and Ray Tracing now. So even if the base performance is the same as the older card, they will win on Ray Tracing and being able to use FSR4

Pretty much this.
Thus they cant be compared to the RTX 7000 series. From what Ive heard and read, FSR 4 seems to use KI, just like DLSS, which has been developed by Sony and AMD. Seems to be a gamechanger and cant be compared to FSR 3.1. They are totally different. FSR 3.1 is a joke. Even XESS looks and works better.

FSR 4 will also be exclusive to the RTX 9000 series and cant be used by any other manufacturer.

Its a shame that AMD didnt go for the high end segment. That would have prevented me to switch teams from red to green.
FSR 4 and the optimized RT implementation can be looked at as a milestone.

Ther is literally no reason to consider a 7900XT or a 7900XTX when you can put your hands on a 9070 or a 9070XT.

power wise, the 7000 is basically the same, only main difference is the price for performance went down substantially.

tldr, fsr/dlss/fsr4 is an emergency thing you do for performance, the artifacts in it are everywhere, again if you don't see them, don't look them up, games will be ruined for you when you see it because you never unsee it. ray tracing is not to your benefit, its to your detriment because the more it gets leveraged the less you can keep an old gpu and be happy with newer games.

I wouldn't go higher end than a 9070 because they will make rapid advances in ai and getting more out of less, and none of the gpus they sell today will be remotely good when the time comes and a full ♥♥♥♥ happens, this crap is to expensive to to buy it for features that barely function today.