Question on 14700K and e-cores

[anon_amos]

I currently have a i7-10700K running on a Z590 MB. I am potentially looking to upgrade to an i7-14700K and putting that in a new Z790 MB with new DDR5 ram.

I am still running Windows 10 and do not want to make the switch to Windows 11 at this time. I do know support is ending for 10 in Oct. 2025 but that does not have me concerned, I plan on staying on Win 10 for the foreseeable future.

My question is does Win 10 still have issues utilising e-cores properly on the 14700? Would it be best to disable them in BIOS? Or leave them on and let things run wherever/however they are used by the cpu and system?

My system will be used for gaming only with light desktop work.

Any input would be appreciated.

[Guydodge]

i know its cool to hate on win 11 but why would you sacrifice performance.win 11 is
just as good as 10 was.do yourself a favor and switch to 11 it'll get ya ready for 12
i was a hold out from win 7 to win 10 once i crossed over i realized what and idiot i was
all the crap people talk is just that... crap !!!
just like 10 uninstall / delete / change the things you dont like.

[anon_amos]

I have a large number of boxed pc games, well over 450 that I have collected over the past 35+ plus years, and I know that Windows 11 will likely not even install them much less run them.

I have no interest in switching to windows 11, I use it at work and do not like it and everything I need at this time works extremely well in 10.

My 10700K system is now a little over 3 years old and I am looking to move to a 14700K and maintain my Windows 10 system.

Edit: My current CPU is paired with a 4070Ti Super and will pretty much play everything maxed out at 60+ fps at 1440p that I can throw at it. Not sure if the upgrade is even money well spent for an additional 25+ fps

Only reason I am considering the upgrade is the Z790 I have my eye on is on sale right now at one store and sold out everywhere else I have looked as I do not think it is being manufactured anymore. I'd like to grab one before they are gone.

[Midnight Aurais]

i will never recommend anyone to go to 13/14th gen intel period nothing intel does to patch them will fix the issues with those cpu's it will only extend its life but they will still brick its a hardware level issue

you are literally better off with amd

that said if you just do not care then keep process lasso as your friend that way you can assign the p.cores to the games to prevent the usage of e.cores during gaming another thing that i am pretty sure microsoft has not found a way to fix in the scheduler

[_I_]

the mobo chipset drivers should tell win 10/11 scheduler what to run on the p and e cores

[Monk]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Midnight Aurais:

i will never recommend anyone to go to 13/14th gen intel period nothing intel does to patch them will fix the issues with those cpu's it will only extend its life but they will still brick its a hardware level issue

you are literally better off with amd

that said if you just do not care then keep process lasso as your friend that way you can assign the p.cores to the games to prevent the usage of e.cores during gaming another thing that i am pretty sure microsoft has not found a way to fix in the scheduler

Not true in the slightest.

Besides, far less dips and stutters on 13 / 14th gen, you just need to lock voltages and clocks and update your bios do it doesn't do anything daft.

[anon_amos]

I definitely would be making sure the bios is up to date on the ASUS board I am looking at getting. And locking everything down so the MB doesn't make the CPU do things it shouldn't.
From what I understand it was the MB manufacturers having default settings in bios that would force the CPU to operate way beyond its safe limits thus degrading them.

Would like to stick with Intel, it's what my past few builds have been. Actually haven't used AMD since an FX 8350 build I did years ago. I have considered trying AMD again with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d.

[Midnight Aurais]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Guydodge:

i know its cool to hate on win 11 but why would you sacrifice performance.win 11 is
just as good as 10 was.do yourself a favor and switch to 11 it'll get ya ready for 12
i was a hold out from win 7 to win 10 once i crossed over i realized what and idiot i was
all the crap people talk is just that... crap !!!
just like 10 uninstall / delete / change the things you dont like.

that is simply not true if you use windows 11 23h2 then 10 wins in performance if you use 24h2 and are on the newer cpu's 11 24h2 is faster then 10 there are still some games that run better on 10 but the list has gone down

then you take am4 and you just lose performance with 24h2

in both cases windows 11 24h2 is a mess because even while there are gains on newer processors the amount of games that now crash have heavy fluctuation with fps like i know my 5900x in avatar frontier of pandorra wil just be unplayable fps going from 60 to into the 10's while 23h2 stays stable 60 heck someone wanted to play cod warzone turns out on 24h2 that game is bricked for so many people it just refuses to start

just because something is new doesn't always mean it is better the reason why you want a operating system that gets updates most definitely with windows is that when you stop getting updates various services that reach out to a connection start becoming vulnerable to hijackings also any vulnerability after eol of a os will never be fixed a antivirus cannot protect you from such exploits it can only protect you from viruses

the only thing i say if you keep windows 10 after eol start using windows sandbox and vmware workstation pro or hyperv and pray there will not be a vm exploit just bookmark safe sites like youtube and such and if you search anything on the web use the vm's test applications you do not know in a vm first after you threw it into virustotal

off course if you have a second pc you can just pull the internet cable on windows 10 and your golden on the security part XD

[nullable]

The short answer is Windows 10 will not manage e-cores correctly. And not adding that support was one way MS could encourage users to update to Win11.

You would want to disable the e-cores if you decide to stick with win10. At least that was the solution in 2022 when I upgraded to a 12700k. Admittedly I haven't kept up to date with changes, so small chance my info is dated.

At any rate after using win11 for three years, it's been fine for me and the wife. It's not so bad you're better off disabling a significant amount of compute power.

Honestly if you were going to consider doing that I'd just go AMD then and avoid e-cores.

[Philco7a]

14900k on a Z790m with a 4080 Super...Ecores off in Bios along with hyperthreading.

Don't do squat for gaming.
Linux Mint gaming master race checking in on thread.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

No don't disable the E-Cores.
Just use app called CoreDirector and you can whitelist any game or app that has an e-core related issue. So it's disabled just for that App in the OS.

[Philco7a]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Bad 💀 Motha:

No don't disable the E-Cores.
Just use app called CoreDirector and you can whitelist any game or app that has an e-core related issue. So it's disabled just for that App in the OS.

MY 14900k dropped temps in half disabling Ecores and Hyperthreading.
I run a air cooler on it and game. Impossible to air cool a 14900k and game
with that crap on.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

That's not how to address that.
You shouldn't have an air cooler. That's common sense with such a CPU. Otherwise you might as well have a 14th Gen i5 and you'd basically have the same performance given you'd turned off alot of stuff that should be on. Address the cooling.

Any CPU you have, you should look to tweak the BIOS so you can lower the CPU voltage to a stable level; this will result in VRMs and CPU running cooling without really changing much else.

Don't suggest to people to do things because YOU don't know how to properly do a PC build.

[Monk]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Philco7a:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Bad 💀 Motha:

No don't disable the E-Cores.
Just use app called CoreDirector and you can whitelist any game or app that has an e-core related issue. So it's disabled just for that App in the OS.

MY 14900k dropped temps in half disabling Ecores and Hyperthreading.
I run a air cooler on it and game. Impossible to air cool a 14900k and game
with that crap on.

So you spent 500 bucks on a cpu and 50 bucks or lesson a cooler, then disabled most of it, why not just buy a cheaper cpu, or, a better cooler?

E cores is one thing, but hyoertgreadung helps with multi core.

Besides, as long as it isn't throttling and voltages aren't going nuts, you are good, do you cut down perfirmance for no real reason...

Also, hyper threading an Ecoresp will not double your temps, locking it to base clock with no turbo might, but, no way you bought a 14900k and a z790 and did something so silly just to reduce temps.

[L1]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Midnight Aurais:

i will never recommend anyone to go to 13/14th gen intel period nothing intel does to patch them will fix the issues with those cpu's it will only extend its life but they will still brick its a hardware level issue

you are literally better off with amd

that said if you just do not care then keep process lasso as your friend that way you can assign the p.cores to the games to prevent the usage of e.cores during gaming another thing that i am pretty sure microsoft has not found a way to fix in the scheduler

Yep, bad silicon, no solution without performance sacrificing, stay AWAY don’t play the roulette.

[_I_]

imho, the gains after all the bios update nerfs are not really worth it

if you want a faster cpu move to an amd x3d cpu