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- Black screen issue under investigation
- PCIe gen5 problems
- driver problems
- Some 5080s came with a 5090 cooler.
- Missing ROPs - performance
I enjoy the spectacle.
Like sun tzu says " those who want going to the mountain wont bother with tiger in front of them "
The FX 5000 series comes to mind as one of nVidia's worst generations. High heat/noise, low performance, and terrible driver level texture quality "cheats" to try and match ATI's performance. That was mostly bad as a product though; I don't think it had a bad launch? So maybe it doesn't qualify.
The RTX 30 series was an example of the opposite. The low VRAM of some SKUs aside, it was mostly a good product but had a bad launch (except immediately on launch where it was available for MSRP for the lucky few) due to the market being impacted by the cryptocurrency mining situation. But that wasn't nVidia's fault; RX 6000 series (and every prior existing product even on the used market) was impacted.
The initial RTX 40 series was pretty mediocre too; every SKU down besides the top end (RTX 4090) kept getting poorer reviews. The RTX 4080 was an infamously terrible value to establish a "new normal" price baseline, the RTX 4080 12 GB became the RTX 4070 Ti (making another SKU have the Ti a launch SKU), the original RTX 4070 was pretty mediocre, and the RTX 4060 was a low performance uplift over its predecessor and had 8 GB VRAM... or you "fix" that with the 16 GB model making it an even worse value (it was to encourage people to spend up to the x70, same as the x80 was to encourage spending up to the x90). People forget this generation was also mediocre at first because the Super refreshes fixed some of the SKUs issues.
I think Pascal may have been the last "great" generation/launch, and even that time coincided with a minor cryptocurrency spike in the middle.
Maxwell was mostly alright but the GTX 970 had slow half a GB of VRAM and the GTX 960 was mediocre.
Kepler was mediocre on longevity due to low VRAM (sound familiar?).
Fermi was "Thermi" (and also had driver/TDR issues).
Tesla had refreshes of refreshes and solder cracking issues.
So the reality is, no generation/time was perfect. Go back and most of them have some issues. But yes, this one might be among the worst overall.
The stock issues are because they didn't produce many but simultaneously stopped production on the RTX 40 series. Imagine the same circumstances with the 9800X3D release, but worse.
Prices are high because too many people these days have FOMO and have to replace things every/every other generation (even when generational uplifts are shrinking) and have demonstrated they will pay it. I no longer have sympathy for people who buy these but then complain. The market is charging what it has shown it will bear.
The power draw is because it's not a radically redesigned architecture from the previous generation, and it is on a similar node, so... that means increased performance had to come from either increased core count/chip size and/or clock speeds, both of which mean more power consumption.
But yes, the missing ROPs, and perhaps the connector issues, are bad. You can also add the Black screen/driver crash issues to that list. (Edit: And as a 7800 XT owner, ask me about Black screen issues... so this one too might be a wider thing than just an nVidia or RTX 50 series issue.)
For the first time in like 15 years, Im about to switch teams, from red to green, and then this sh*tshow happened.
I mean Im still gonna buy a RTX 5090 as soon as they hit MSRP but still......
The door is wide open for AMD to increase some market share. I hope they gonna use that adventage and not fck it up, like they used to do it.
Or do you have any idea when prices will be close to MSRP? (within 10% difference - my answer is NEVER)
MSRP for RTX 50 was pure lie.
All the MSRPs are pure lie. I fully expect RX 9070 XT to cost over 1000 euros here.
Im in the group that will grab a card once availability is fixed but I'm in no rush, plus, there us time for all the issues to be ironed out.
Worse case scenario, I keep my 4090 for an extra 2 years, which I suspect most 5080 and 5090 buyers are in a similar situation.