Oh these new RTX 5000 cards then?

[Lord Flashheart]

So
New GPUs cards out with new features.
Obviously nvidia is leaning on DLSS4 badly, which seems to be locked down software. If you want to use the features, you must buy the card. That seems typical of nvidia.

Right now it there are no actual prices and benchmarks.
So the new features are apparently mainly better quality DLSS and more frame generation.

About the same day of their announcement , the lossless scaling application released and update with its apparently improved frame generation.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/993090/Lossless_Scaling/

I purchased it with what I had in my steam wallet.
I am impressed for the price.

My GPU is an RTX 3080 10GB.
It seems I am getting improved 'free' performance with games supporting DLSS.
My monitor is 3440x1440 120Hz

I do not need to use the application up-scaling, as I can use nvidia image scaling.

Everyone plays different games, and I was curious about the frame generation.

For me Killing Floor 2 - Maxed fps at 60Hz and used 2 x frame generation. Very slightly more lag, but nothing compared to some game servers. Also super gory flex gibs and fluids did not tank the frame rate.

UEBS2 - It can be harsh on the GPU, so limited to 30Hz with 4x frame generation. It was great expect so called artefacts when moving around the battle area fast - which I care little about.


So instead of a new GPU, are maybe getting a new monitor - same resolution & size, but 240Hz.

Frame generation will always have some sort of lag. For pretty slow moving games it could be fine, but for fast paces shooters maybe not so much. It is about what each gamer likes.

For those with RTX 20 & 30 cards, I suggest looking into the lossless scaling application if unaware of it.

Maybe try and do the 2 hour/2 week refund thing, assuming it applies to software.

Will it be as good as DLSS 4 frame generation? - I doubt it.

The application is about $7 US and the cheapest RTX 5070 releasing soon is at least $549.

There you go.

[Lord Flashheart]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shadow:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lord Flashheart:

Fair enough. I expect some who try it are not taking time to get the best settings.

It is of course game dependent.

I mean, it caught my interests.

If it did well in comparison to the RTX 5000 series, you would save hella money.

However it flopped.

One person not liking it is not a flop.
I do not care if you use it or not.

And it seems it will save hella money.
Also not many options with games with no.r frame generation.

It is a matter of setting it up right.
It seems when setting are setup for games, they do not run great.
After a reboot - very well.
As time goes on, are tempted to go from a 120Hz to 240Hz monitor instead of an RTX 5000 card.

[Monk]

Visually lossless just looks awful and has dreadful input latency.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, sadly.

[Lord Flashheart]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Monk:

Visually lossless just looks awful and has dreadful input latency.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, sadly.

Not much apparently. The latest latency reduction for the frame generation has been reduced since the update 6 months ago apparently.

It seems to be well balanced/compensated by not having a maxed out GPU crushing frame rates and therefore more latency.

Leaving this conversation now. Just negativity with little updated evidence to back it up.

[Monk]

Evidence beyond looking at how, awful it is?...

[jonzuk]

No clue why anyone would spend that much on a graphics card especially when it's using AI upscaling that's just insanely wack to me, I bought RX 6800 from AMD I had the RTX 2070 Super and it was the worst GPU ive ever had so many issues and 8GB Of VRAM and linux support is awful. No clue why people buy Nvidia paying more for CUDA cores that youll never use or for Raytracing. If you think RayTracing looks good than just buy OLED monitor you'll be happier than any effect raytracing has

[Shadow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af jonzuk:

No clue why anyone would spend that much on a graphics card especially when it's using AI upscaling that's just insanely wack to me, I bought RX 6800 from AMD I had the RTX 2070 Super and it was the worst GPU ive ever had so many issues and 8GB Of VRAM and linux support is awful. No clue why people buy Nvidia paying more for CUDA cores that youll never use or for Raytracing. If you think RayTracing looks good than just buy OLED monitor you'll be happier than any effect raytracing has

Facts, you’re right.

There’s isn’t enough Raytracing support on Games anyways.

[Straw Hat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lord Flashheart:

So
New GPUs cards out with new features.
Obviously nvidia is leaning on DLSS4 badly, which seems to be locked down software. If you want to use the features, you must buy the card. That seems typical of nvidia.

Right now it there are no actual prices and benchmarks.
So the new features are apparently mainly better quality DLSS and more frame generation.

About the same day of their announcement , the lossless scaling application released and update with its apparently improved frame generation.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/993090/Lossless_Scaling/

I purchased it with what I had in my steam wallet.
I am impressed for the price.

My GPU is an RTX 3080 10GB.
It seems I am getting improved 'free' performance with games supporting DLSS.
My monitor is 3440x1440 120Hz

I do not need to use the application up-scaling, as I can use nvidia image scaling.

Everyone plays different games, and I was curious about the frame generation.

For me Killing Floor 2 - Maxed fps at 60Hz and used 2 x frame generation. Very slightly more lag, but nothing compared to some game servers. Also super gory flex gibs and fluids did not tank the frame rate.

UEBS2 - It can be harsh on the GPU, so limited to 30Hz with 4x frame generation. It was great expect so called artefacts when moving around the battle area fast - which I care little about.


So instead of a new GPU, are maybe getting a new monitor - same resolution & size, but 240Hz.

Frame generation will always have some sort of lag. For pretty slow moving games it could be fine, but for fast paces shooters maybe not so much. It is about what each gamer likes.

For those with RTX 20 & 30 cards, I suggest looking into the lossless scaling application if unaware of it.

Maybe try and do the 2 hour/2 week refund thing, assuming it applies to software.

Will it be as good as DLSS 4 frame generation? - I doubt it.

The application is about $7 US and the cheapest RTX 5070 releasing soon is at least $549.

There you go.

You’re absolutely right! NVIDIA leaning heavily on DLSS4 and locking it to their GPUs is a classic move. They’ve done this before with DLSS and other proprietary features, pushing buyers toward their hardware ecosystem. While the improvements in DLSS4 and frame generation sound promising, they’re mostly incremental, especially for those already (including myself) on high-end cards like the RTX 4090.

Without official prices or benchmarks, it’s hard to judge if the RTX 5000 series will offer meaningful value. For now, these features seem more geared toward gamers looking to squeeze performance from mid-tier systems or those pushing 4K and beyond. I am more than happy running demanding games on max settings at 1440p 165Hz, but I do not think the uplift from the RTX 4090 to RTX 5090 is worth it, especially owning a 165 1440p monitor.

The timing of the lossless scaling app’s update is interesting, though. It shows that alternatives exist, and innovation isn’t exclusive to NVIDIA’s locked down ecosystem. For those already running powerful setups, waiting for substantial advancements, like in a future RTX 6090, might make more sense than upgrading now. I am definitely skipping RTX 5000 series and jump to RTX 6000 to be released. I strongly belive that at that time the graphics card will make a bigger uplift from RTX RTX 5000 series to run games at high frame rates at native 4K.

If anyone is looking forward for the RTX 5000 series.. feel welcome to get it as no one is here to judge you, but keep in mind that if you are getting it just for the multi-frame generation, you will be disappointed considering how much the card costs compared to RTX 4090 on release date. As far as I know multi-frame generation is not worth it for the following reasons:

Input latency, which creates additional frames using AI rather than rendering them natively, which can increase input latency. This can negatively affect the gameplay in competitive or fast paced games.

Diminishing returns on High-End PC's, which you’re unlikely to notice a significant visual or performance difference beyond what your monitor and perception can handle.