Thoughts on new build.

[Hapless]

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard

Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

Video Card: PowerColor Hellhound Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card

Case: NZXT H6 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply: Phanteks AMP GH 850W 80PLUS Gold ATX Power Supply Modular

Fans: ARCTIC P12 Max 81.04 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack

I know new gpus are around the corner so I may wait a few months. Build is around £1,800

[Corona Scurrae]

Can you wait for next gen GPUs? If not and you get good prices on the 7900xt then it's a solid gaming only build.
The p12max are an excellent choice. Got plenty of them on my devices and at 1500 rpm you barely notice it - and my place is as quiet as a church - unless you put your ears close to the fans.

If your case allows it then do it like me. I got a fractal north:
- 2x 120mm p12max + 1x 140mm p14max in front
- 1x 120mm p12max in the back
- 1x 120mm p12max outside next to GPU shroud

I let mine run at 1500-1600rpm ( replaced my thermalright peerless assassin fans with p12max ) and my CPU during load gets up to 70 degrees Celsius and my GPU hot spot goes up to 60 degrees.

If your PSU is situated at the bottom of the case you could do the same but add an additional 120mm to the upper back corner of the case.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by WinterSolstice:

Will the next gen GPU's utilize PCIe5 is the question (I am actually not sure what the current standardization of PCIe is atm, last I knew it was PCIe4 as standard but I still am on PCIe3). :csd2smile:

Current gen is still using gen 4 however next gen - because of gddr7 - will probably take advantage of gen 5. We will see huge bandwidth increases thanks to new memory standard but I'm curious how it might impact people on older gen mb.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by WinterSolstice:

For Gen3 users like myself, a Gen5 GPU would be out-of-luck but I think Gen4x16 would be okay. :csd2smile:

We'll see. Maybe on the low end - 5080 and below - it might not be detrimental but I assume it might be worse for the 5090.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by WinterSolstice:

China has said that if the US pushes more tariffs on the country, they will sell to Europe at 50% less or more so I expect GPU prices to raise in the US but lower for Europe. :csd2smile:

Sadly both NVIDIA and AMD will punish the whole world accordingly. They won't tax Americans. They'll tax everyone
With that said it won't take long until the next gen is announced. I think ces starts next week Monday? But I'm more interested to see if NVIDIA postponed 5090 launch due to that massive die size

[Tonepoet]

C.E.S. is in a week and there is a high likelihood that new G.P.Us. will be announced then. A.M.D. is likely to have an 8800 XT[gamerant.com]. General rule of thumb is that one generation ahead is equal to a product tier down in terms of raw performance.

If I had to guess, I'd imagine an 8800 XT would be about strong as a 7900 XT but more efficient. That article also suggests significantly better ray tracing performance, which is somewhat relevant once you get this high up the stack, especially since Indiana Jones and the Great Circle's system requirements claims it requires G.P.U. hardware ray tracing in the footnotes of every performance tier .

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is the first game I've seen with a ray tracing requirement that isn't just an enhanced version of some other game, so we can likely expect this to be a future trend and I would not risk using ray tracing as a total dump spec. as such even if you do not care about Indiana Jones in particular, since we will may see this more often from this point forward. You kind of want to spec. out your P.C. so it lasts you through your upgrade cycle if you have the budget for it.

I wouldn't worry about it too much since it'll take some time to build up a stockpile of significant number of games you might want to play that might need ray tracing on, but if you can get the extra ray tracing perf. for little to no extra cost by just by waiting a few extra weeks I'd probably say that's worth it.

The 9800x3D has an I.G.P.U., so if you don't have a card from your existing system you can lend out to the 9800x3D while you wait, you can probably get away with playing some of the low spec. games in your backlog while you wait on C.E.S. and maybe putting in a pre-order. Though you'll probably be waiting on a 9800x3D anyway. They sell out quickly when they restock at the moment.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

for the love of whatever you hold dear, stop buying low end B-boards and buy just an X model, you cannot even OC the cpu to 5.4ghz with that

[smokerob79]

Originally posted by Yhorm:

Can you wait for next gen GPUs? If not and you get good prices on the 7900xt then it's a solid gaming only build.
The p12max are an excellent choice. Got plenty of them on my devices and at 1500 rpm you barely notice it - and my place is as quiet as a church - unless you put your ears close to the fans.

If your case allows it then do it like me. I got a fractal north:
- 2x 120mm p12max + 1x 140mm p14max in front
- 1x 120mm p12max in the back
- 1x 120mm p12max outside next to GPU shroud

I let mine run at 1500-1600rpm ( replaced my thermalright peerless assassin fans with p12max ) and my CPU during load gets up to 70 degrees Celsius and my GPU hot spot goes up to 60 degrees.

If your PSU is situated at the bottom of the case you could do the same but add an additional 120mm to the upper back corner of the case.

man this is why i wish thermalright would stop playing games on the number of coolers out there.....i got the frost tower....its the peerless assassin tower with fans that are on par with the p12max fans.....it was also the same price as a stock assassin.....you could have bought the frost tower and gotten about the same cooling performance without the extra cost.....but they stop selling it in the US......

https://www.thermalright.com/product/frost-tower-120/

[smokerob79]

Originally posted by WinterSolstice:

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

for the love of whatever you hold dear, stop buying low end B-boards and buy just an X model, you cannot even OC the cpu to 5.4ghz with that

I will support this about x-rated "Professional" boards as they seem to have longer support as well - my 2016 MOBO (ASRock x370) is still being updated to this day and this thing does support AM5 with an "unofficial" beta BIOS from ASRock (in which they got sued by AMD for) but those AM5 CPU's lose a lot of power and such on the AM4 board. :chirp:

But ASRock is an outsider and have warranty on OC protection up to 3-years or so for their X/Z series boards. :yetuhappy:

impossible.....a AM5 CPU will never work on a AM4 motherboard.....AM4 has the pins on the CPU.....AM5 has the pins on the motherboard......also have to point out ASrock is not updating anything.....AMD is updating the support for the X370 chip set they made that was used in production of your motherboard.....

[PopinFRESH]

Originally posted by WinterSolstice:

Originally posted by smokerob79:

impossible.....a AM5 CPU will never work on a AM4 motherboard.....AM4 has the pins on the CPU.....AM5 has the pins on the motherboard......also have to point out ASrock is not updating anything.....AMD is updating the support for the X370 chip set they made that was used in production of your motherboard.....

Wow, you are far lost - ASRock just put out two BETA BIOS for the R9 series AM4 CPU's with a stable revision posted in 2022 for the R9 5950x - it so happens because of the lawsuit against ASRock, they wiped the information about the unoffical BIOS release when they lost in court to AMD so I am unable to pull up this information. :badluck:

As for AMD, they are still supporting even the FX series with Chipset Driver updates.

You are the one who is lost.

The 5950X is not an AM5 CPU; no your AM4 board will never support an AM5 CPU as they are physically different sockets.

AM4 is a PGA CPU
AM5 is an LGA CPU

They are not compatible regardless if you think a magic BIOS will somehow change the physical socket.

[r.linder]

With you overspending on the 9800X3D you could probably afford a 7900-XTX

It's not much faster than the 7800X3D and would be a waste if you don't pair it with the best

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

Originally posted by r.linder:

With you overspending on the 9800X3D you could probably afford a 7900-XTX

It's not much faster than the 7800X3D and would be a waste if you don't pair it with the best

it is quite faster than the 7800X3D in every possible way, single core, multi core, game fps, what have you been watching or reading?
it performs "a bit better" at 5.2ghz but you can make it 5.6ghz, intel and older amd cpus are completely cooked lol

[PopinFRESH]

Originally posted by r.linder:

With you overspending on the 9800X3D you could probably afford a 7900-XTX

It's not much faster than the 7800X3D and would be a waste if you don't pair it with the best

It performs quite a bit better than the 7800X3D. Well worth the extra $60-70 (assuming they aren't paying for a scalped second hand CPU) and are getting the 9800X3D when they are in-stock at their suggested price.

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/rip-intel-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-285k-14900k-more

Regardless, I'd suggest they wait on the GPU anyway as the first post noted because CES is next week and we'll have more details on both AMD and Nvidia GPUs (and possible Intel's 700 class Battlemage GPUs) so regardless if they get one of those new generation GPUs the pricing for the 7900XT would still likely drop.

Also without knowing what resolution they are playing at, the difference from a 7900XT to a 7900XTX could be pretty pointless and not make much difference.

[Hapless]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

for the love of whatever you hold dear, stop buying low end B-boards and buy just an X model, you cannot even OC the cpu to 5.4ghz with that

Do you have a specific mobo in mind that I could oc the cpu.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

Originally posted by WigSplitter:

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

for the love of whatever you hold dear, stop buying low end B-boards and buy just an X model, you cannot even OC the cpu to 5.4ghz with that

Do you have a specific mobo in mind that I could oc the cpu.

my previous X670E-PLUS can let you oc it to 5.4ghz, however if you want 5.6ghz then you have to buy the ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO one that i have as well, keep in mind it's kinda overpriced for what it does

[r.linder]

You should not be manually overclocking a Ryzen CPU, period. You can, but you shouldn't. CPUs nowadays are so sensitive that there's significant risk of damaging them so it's just not a good idea to recommend it, and you're not going to get all that much more out of it for that risk regardless, especially if you aren't using the absolute best hardware with it to bring out the extra performance. Leave it at stock or enable PBO.