14th gen Intel still having issues after Bios/Microcode update

[directorguy7]

So wont waste everyones time with background around this and the eventual company collapsing lawsuit Intel will eventually get for what they did with 13th and 14th gen CPUs. Basically just stood up my first custom cooling loop with a new 14700k (been doing this for literally decades with just AIO coolers). After multiple troubleshooting it looks like Intel and Motherboards still dont really care about fixing instability issues based on Bios or CPU settings spiking and causing BSODs.

With Bios set to auto (eg. no overclocking, just normal intel boosts, etc) I was getting 80 to 100c! in prime 95 and random BSODs.

With these settings seen on the first comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/comments/1ei1p8n/help_intel_i714700k_crashing/?rdt=33658

Feels like basically underclocking the system below legally purchased specs but whatever...

I am able to finally get a stable system, indicating the issue is not with my build, but with improper voltage, etc settings being the default by MB/Intel. Prime95 now runs for hours now but am only getting up to 65 to 70c on CPU. Would like to use some of this temperature headroom to push the CPU a little more without overdoing it like the default settings were.

Based on the link above, what setting should I start to increase(?) to get more performance, but see higher temps. Would like to start dialing this in, where Prime95 gets up to 80ish. If Prime sits at 80 stable, then I know any real world thing I throw at the CPU should be fine.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

That's IF you had a faulty CPU. If you did, then those fixes won't magically address you having a faulty CPU. However Intel has provided 5 year warranty for those 13th/14th Gen i7/i9 that were affected. So if you do have a faulty one, they can easily replace it for you under warranty.

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I never fully updated, I'm on a 13900k since first release... Got lucky I guess

Intel did a dirty I'm sorry about your issues.

[Corona Scurrae]

Yep sadly all the micro code did was to reduce the frequency at which raptor lake would be blasted with 1.4v+. So system instability would still be a major problem however they hope the average consumer is ignorant and doesn't do any stress tests of their own.
When I got my raptor lake I locked all values to ensure it doesn't push above them and btw I suggest you return that CPU and get a new one. Might be it's already showing signs of degradation due to the stress tests.

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Publicado originalmente por Yhorm:

Yep sadly all the micro code did was to reduce the frequency at which raptor lake would be blasted with 1.4v+. So system instability would still be a major problem however they hope the average consumer is ignorant and doesn't do any stress tests of their own.
When I got my raptor lake I locked all values to ensure it doesn't push above them and btw I suggest you return that CPU and get a new one. Might be it's already showing signs of degradation due to the stress tests.

I've been stress testing mine since day 1 and still no issues, I'm basically trying to kill the damn thing but it won't die ♥♥♥♥♥.

[directorguy7]

Welp update, may actually be a memory controller issue. I have heard DDR5 has a hard time running at all the above spec speeds. Dominator 7200's here. Will try 7000 I guess and see.

Was getting P95 BSODs even after the lower CPU settings. Set everything back to stock,and just not running XMP. No errors. Finally the thing feels stable.

Off to ChatGPT to figure out how to make a 7200 "stock" report as 7000 perfectly on Gigabyte Bios settings... Apologies to Intel.

[Corona Scurrae]

Publicado originalmente por directorguy7:

Welp update, may actually be a memory controller issue. I have hard DDR5 has a hard time running at all the above spec speeds. Dominator 7200's here. Will try 7000 I guess and see.

Was getting P95 BSODs even after the lower CPU settings. Set everything back to stock,and just not running XMP. No errors. Finally the thing feels stable.

Off to ChatGPT to figure out how to make a 7200 "stock" report as 7000 perfectly on Gigabyte Bios settings...

Hmm either I landed a god bin with my 13700k or got lucky overall because my 7200mt/s ran out of the box with much tuning needed. I think if you want to go above that - and there are people that go above 8000mt/s - you'll see difficulties.

Publicado originalmente por 404NotFound:

Publicado originalmente por Yhorm:

Yep sadly all the micro code did was to reduce the frequency at which raptor lake would be blasted with 1.4v+. So system instability would still be a major problem however they hope the average consumer is ignorant and doesn't do any stress tests of their own.
When I got my raptor lake I locked all values to ensure it doesn't push above them and btw I suggest you return that CPU and get a new one. Might be it's already showing signs of degradation due to the stress tests.

I've been stress testing mine since day 1 and still no issues, I'm basically trying to kill the damn thing but it won't die ♥♥♥♥♥.

You probably are still running it within safe specs.

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Publicado originalmente por Yhorm:

Publicado originalmente por directorguy7:

Welp update, may actually be a memory controller issue. I have hard DDR5 has a hard time running at all the above spec speeds. Dominator 7200's here. Will try 7000 I guess and see.

Was getting P95 BSODs even after the lower CPU settings. Set everything back to stock,and just not running XMP. No errors. Finally the thing feels stable.

Off to ChatGPT to figure out how to make a 7200 "stock" report as 7000 perfectly on Gigabyte Bios settings...

Hmm either I landed a god bin with my 13700k or got lucky overall because my 7200mt/s ran out of the box with much tuning needed. I think if you want to go above that - and there are people that go above 8000mt/s - you'll see difficulties.

Publicado originalmente por 404NotFound:

I've been stress testing mine since day 1 and still no issues, I'm basically trying to kill the damn thing but it won't die ♥♥♥♥♥.

You probably are still running it within safe specs.

I've pushed 325+watt at around 100c and still going strong. And yes my AIO does it's job well under normal operations, those were special circumstances.

Still haven't updated bios

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

The RAM compatibility has to go hand-in-hand with not only the CPU but also the Motherboard and some MOBO's can be a bit picky with RAM - remember the AM4 debacle with anything over 3200 - 3600MT/s or RGB based - imo, anything over 6000MT/s is a waste as the CAS is way too high (so is the price for lower CAS DDR5 RAM).

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Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

The RAM compatibility has to go hand-in-hand with not only the CPU but also the Motherboard and some MOBO's can be a bit picky with RAM - remember the AM4 debacle with anything over 3200 - 3600MT/s or RGB based - imo, anything over 6000MT/s is a waste as the CAS is way too high (so is the price for lower CAS DDR5 RAM). :badluck:

I'm running corsair dominator at 5600 runs like a dream.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Publicado originalmente por 404NotFound:

Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

The RAM compatibility has to go hand-in-hand with not only the CPU but also the Motherboard and some MOBO's can be a bit picky with RAM - remember the AM4 debacle with anything over 3200 - 3600MT/s or RGB based - imo, anything over 6000MT/s is a waste as the CAS is way too high (so is the price for lower CAS DDR5 RAM).

I'm running corsair dominator at 5600 runs like a dream.

And I got my Samsung B-Die 3200MT/s rated CAS 14 DDR4 running at 4200MT/s with CAS 16, so what is your point?

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Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

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I'm running corsair dominator at 5600 runs like a dream.

And I got my Samsung B-Die 3200MT/s rated CAS 14 DDR4 running at 4200MT/s with CAS 16, so what is your point? :csd2smile:

No point really just agreeing with you about keeping it at or under 6000

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

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Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

And I got my Samsung B-Die 3200MT/s rated CAS 14 DDR4 running at 4200MT/s with CAS 16, so what is your point?

No point really just agreeing with you about keeping it at or under 6000

Well, yes - I seen some DDR5 RAM at CAS 40+ - this is just not proper at all and low binned crap.

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Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

Publicado originalmente por 404NotFound:

No point really just agreeing with you about keeping it at or under 6000

Well, yes - I seen some DDR5 RAM at CAS 40+ - this is just not proper at all and low binned crap. :badluck:

True, i believe the dominator ddr5 goes all the way to CL40 that's not what I'm running but still lol. Not sure how you feel about the dominator line but it's worked well for me over the past few years.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Publicado originalmente por 404NotFound:

Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

Well, yes - I seen some DDR5 RAM at CAS 40+ - this is just not proper at all and low binned crap.

True, i believe the dominator ddr5 goes all the way to CL40 that's not what I'm running but still lol. Not sure how you feel about the dominator line but it's worked well for me over the past few years.

The higher the CAS, the crappier the RAM bin - they will put out the good stuff with lower CAS at first then come out with the higher CAS crap as the better one's are headed to EOL - I have seen some Corsair Dominator's that are excellent but it goes for them all, such as Kingston, Crucial, G.Skill, etc... I just dislike the Hynix IC and try to stay away from them (stick with Samsung or Micron).

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Publicado originalmente por WinterSolstice:

Publicado originalmente por 404NotFound:

True, i believe the dominator ddr5 goes all the way to CL40 that's not what I'm running but still lol. Not sure how you feel about the dominator line but it's worked well for me over the past few years.

The higher the CAS, the crappier the RAM bin - they will put out the good stuff with lower CAS at first then come out with the higher CAS crap as the better one's are headed to EOL - I have seen some Corsair Dominator's that are excellent but it goes for them all, such as Kingston, Crucial, G.Skill, etc... I just dislike the Hynix IC and try to stay away from them (stick with Samsung or Micron). :badluck:

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