RTX 4060 or Intel ARC B580

[birblord gaming]

I usually play story-based games and casual multiplayer games like Helldivers and Battlefield. Which card should I go with? My budget can afford these cards, but I don't think I can go higher

[r.linder]

Originally posted by birblord gaming:

Originally posted by r.linder:

I wouldn't classify them as "performing well" with raytracing when all of those cards struggle to get anywhere near 60 FPS unless you drop the settings down to medium (which defeats the point of going for RT if you're going to downgrade other graphics settings), but even then, you're not getting good performance in some games with raytracing settings unless you have at least a 3070.

People on that tight of a budget should just forget about it because it's only going to be a disappointment unless you have an overkill GPU that can handle it.

Will getting a 3070 worth the buck? Or should I go with 4060 if that's the case in here

Neither are good options because they're 8GB cards, bare minimum that people should be looking at is the RTX 4070 for good RT performance

[Nikonos]

RTX 4060 or Intel ARC B580?
I'd say neither, because the market for reasonably priced consumer 1080p cards is just starting to open up since years without good progress.
The Intel ARC only looks great because there has been so little progress lately.

[Tonepoet]

When you're working within the constraints of a budget you have to have realistic price to performance expectations, and in terms of ray tracing perf., the B580 and the RTX 4060 are the best performing cards you can buy brand new within the constraints of the budget, or anywhere nearby it. Yes, an RTX 4070 would be a much better choice if you can afford it, but it literally costs at least twice as much as Intel's B580 L.E.

With regards to the B580, the numbers given by techspot do not look too bad at the suggested settings in 4 of the 6 games tested if you're playing at 1080p. We're really only saying that ray tracing performance is really bad at Alan Wake Ⅱ and Black Myth Wukong, which are among the newest and very most demanding games.

However, even if we were to pay the piper for the RTX 4070, it still doesn't quite reach 60 F.P.S. It comes close at the 55–58 F.P.S. range in those games, but if we are using "struggling to meet 60 F.P.S." at the highest uncompromised settings as our perf threshold, it is still not good enough unless it meets or exceeds that threshold, which it simply doesn't. So really we're looking at spending even more on an RTX 4070 Super as the first acceptable card by this standard, which costs about another hundred dollars more.

It simply is not cost effective to chase that performance threshold, unless Birblord is overspending elsewhere on the budget where we can make the sacrifice. That is quite possible for a self-admitted neophyte, but we have not been given any other details for the build, so we can not automatically make that determination. This goes doubly so without awareness of the going rates of the Turkish market, which P.C. part picker does not cover.

If ray tracing is really the main thing, then in the $300 price range, assuming brand new components, the 4060 is the best choice because of the extra headroom it offers over the B580 (you have to expect game requirements go up with each passing year). However within a $300 budget we are probably saying Birblord will have to settle for playing most new games with ray tracing off most of the time, and only dabbling in ray tracing with older or otherwise less demanding titles, or settling for some compromise for games where ray tracing must absolutely be enabled (like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle[images.ctfassets.net]) or an RTX remake of a previously raster-only game (such as Portal RTX, Quake Ⅱ RTX, Half-Life RTX, Minecraft RTX, Metro Exodus Enhanced et cetera).

Originally posted by birblord gaming:

Will getting a 3070 worth the buck? Or should I go with 4060 if that's the case in here

I mean it depends. Part of the answer to that question depends on how much buck. I can't go by M.S.R.P because it is out of production, rendering that number meaningless. You are likely either overspending on new-old stock relative to what it is worth, or buying secondhand because it is out of production. It is a significantly better card than the 4060 if the price isn't too much more.

Tom's hardware review for the RTX 4060[www.tomshardware.com] 82 vs 67 at 1080p suggests the 3070 is roughly 22% stronger at rasterization and 23% stronger at rasterization. We're definitely saying you don't want to be spending as much on a 3070 as a 4060 ti in any case, since the 4060 ti has equal ray tracing perf., better rasterization perf and a better T.D.P.

The other part of the answer is if you'd have to upgrade your other components to accommodate it. Higher tier and older components draw more power so you might need to upgrade your P.S.U. choice.

You also want to balance your components in such a way that you minimize any bottlenecks (there comes a point where if the performance differential between the C.P.U. and G.P.U. gets high enough, upgrading one component over the other sees little to no perf. gain). It's like how increasing the flow of water in a bottle causes it to sputter (if you're filling it) or glug (if you're emptying it), because the narrow neck of the bottle isn't as wide as the butt. You'll never get it perfect but you prefer your computer to be built with relatively straight and balanced performance confines.

Basically, what I'm saying is that you can't just throw a random stronger component at your computer and expect it to automatically perform better. The parts have to be chosen in conjunction of one another, and you've only asked us about the G.P.U.

A B580 and an RTX 4060 are a similar enough class of card that I can believe similar auxiliary components will accommodate both. Once you're looking at a 4060 ti or a 3070, we're talking about higher tier components and we need to know more about what you intend to use with them.

Regardless, even a 3070 isn't going to come close to 60 F.P.S. at 1080p ultra settings in the especially demanding games like Black Myth Wukong or Alan Wake Ⅱ. Compared to the RTX 4060 in black myth wukong. Assuming a 20% perf. delta between the cards, in Alan Wake Ⅱ I'd estimate a jump from 30 F.P.S. to 36 F.P.S. I'd estimate a jump from 19 F.P.S. to 24 F.P.S. Obviously better, but I'd rather just save the cash. It's not worth chasing 60 F.P.S. ray tracing in those more demanding titles yet, and the B580 is good enough for the less demanding ones.

My advice is to prioritize what you can afford to spend first, then focus on determining what the best you can get in that price range. You might want to look at the next component up just to make sure it's not a significant leap for marginal cost, but otherwise you're falling down a rabbit hole of overspending.

Originally posted by Nikonos:

RTX 4060 or Intel ARC B580?
I'd say neither, because the market for reasonably priced consumer 1080p cards is just starting to open up since years without good progress.
The Intel ARC only looks great because there has been so little progress lately.

Yeah. That's why I said to wait for C.E.S. Still though, the B580 first sign of good progress and the best option at the entry level right now, so it deserves some commendation for that

R.D.N.A. 3 and Lovelace were somewhat of an embarrassment at the lower end of the stack though. A.M.D. and Nvidia both gaveth and took away, so many people were recommending the previous generation cards.

[☄️⁧⁧Sneakydude555]

Originally posted by birblord gaming:

I usually play story-based games and casual multiplayer games like Helldivers and Battlefield. Which card should I go with? My budget can afford these cards, but I don't think I can go higher

4060 and the TI are scam cards imho. Buy the B580 or a used 6800XT those two cards will provide more value for you based on the games you play