PaulKrawitz (已封鎖) 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 3:54
64 GB RAM modules.
Will we ever have 64 GB RAM modules for gaming PCs in the foreseeable future?

I wanna have 128 GB of RAM, but I don't want four modules as that would reduce the performance.

The largest modules I've seen support 48 GB; unfortunately, I heard that AMD CPUs do not like such uneven modules.
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Omega 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 3:57 
If you need such amounts of memory you are probably not just a gamer. Buy a Xeon or Epyc instead and cough up the cash for high capacity memory modules.
PaulKrawitz (已封鎖) 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 4:06 
引用自 Omega
If you need such amounts of memory you are probably not just a gamer. Buy a Xeon or Epyc instead and cough up the cash for high capacity memory modules.

No more cash available... I spent 7.600 € on my PC. 😆

I create NSWF... "art"... hence the high RAM requirement.

I can easily use up to 128 GB of RAM during processing.
A&A 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 4:59 
I think you will find only server grade RAM with such capacity.

Now, I don't know what you mean by "uneven modules", but the latest Ryzens should have no problem mixing RAM capacity and speed to work, with the caveat that the speed will be JEDEC and from dual channel will get mixed channel.
最後修改者:A&A; 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 5:04
PaulKrawitz (已封鎖) 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 5:02 
引用自 A&A
I think you will find only server grade RAM with such capacity.

Now, I don't know what you mean by "uneven modules", but the latest Ryzens should not have problems with mixng RAM.

Uneven means anything that isn't:

2, 4, 8, 16, 32, or 64; for example: 24 and 48.
最後修改者:PaulKrawitz; 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 5:03
Mad Scientist 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 5:41 
引用自 PaulKrawitz
Will we ever have 64 GB RAM modules for gaming PCs in the foreseeable future?

I wanna have 128 GB of RAM, but I don't want four modules as that would reduce the performance.

The largest modules I've seen support 48 GB; unfortunately, I heard that AMD CPUs do not like such uneven modules.
Workstation and Server boards usually take the higher memory modules, but you'd need to look at their Memory Support list.

You can easily get 128GB using a general workstation CPU & Motherboard combo usually of 8-Dimms, I'm using a 128GB board right now with an appropriate CPU. Just know the cost of the CPU&Motherboard are usually high and the PSU needed is usually higher as well.
最後修改者:Mad Scientist; 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 5:42
Illusion of Progress 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 5:42 
If 96 GB is sufficient, that would be your answer as you can achieve that with two DIMMs. If not, then yeah, you're looking at four DIMMs which will likely drop the maximum frequency you can stabilize to the 4,800 MHz/5,200 MHz/5,600 MHz window. If that's not desirable for your gaming, you might be best off getting a separate PC for work and play.
引用自 PaulKrawitz
The largest modules I've seen support 48 GB; unfortunately, I heard that AMD CPUs do not like such uneven modules.
This is not true.

The reason these DIMMs exist is because scaling things is getting harder. In the past, increasing capacity by 100% was the norm. This time, they did it by 50%.

People tend to get ideas that something atypical has negative connotations for whatever reason they choose to imagine. In this case, that reason is probably something along the lines of non-binary RAM capacities having never existed before, so previously, any non-binary capacities of RAM would have needed either an odd number of DIMMs or mixed capacities, both of which are things that people also tend to have negative opinions about. Therefore, they attribute negative things to these new DIMMs, even though there's no negative implications unique to the fact that they are non-binary.

In what sense are these capacities supposed to be "uneven"? They are non-binary, yes, but they are "even". That is, the capacities of each RAM chip on the DIMM itself is equal to the capacity of all of the others. If that weren't the case, there would be some unique implications to things in some situations, but that's not the case.

You can literally treat them like any other RAM capacity.
PaulKrawitz (已封鎖) 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 6:20 
If 96 GB is sufficient, that would be your answer as you can achieve that with two DIMMs. If not, then yeah, you're looking at four DIMMs which will likely drop the maximum frequency you can stabilize to the 4,800 MHz/5,200 MHz/5,600 MHz window. If that's not desirable for your gaming, you might be best off getting a separate PC for work and play.
引用自 PaulKrawitz
The largest modules I've seen support 48 GB; unfortunately, I heard that AMD CPUs do not like such uneven modules.
This is not true.

The reason these DIMMs exist is because scaling things is getting harder. In the past, increasing capacity by 100% was the norm. This time, they did it by 50%.

People tend to get ideas that something atypical has negative connotations for whatever reason they choose to imagine. In this case, that reason is probably something along the lines of non-binary RAM capacities having never existed before, so previously, any non-binary capacities of RAM would have needed either an odd number of DIMMs or mixed capacities, both of which are things that people also tend to have negative opinions about. Therefore, they attribute negative things to these new DIMMs, even though there's no negative implications unique to the fact that they are non-binary.

In what sense are these capacities supposed to be "uneven"? They are non-binary, yes, but they are "even". That is, the capacities of each RAM chip on the DIMM itself is equal to the capacity of all of the others. If that weren't the case, there would be some unique implications to things in some situations, but that's not the case.

You can literally treat them like any other RAM capacity.

I once read, on the Linus Tech Tips forum, that 24 GB and 48 GB modules can create instability within AMD CPUs... but I wouldn't know if that's true as I have only used laptops, so far; this PC I have now is my first PC, so I have no experience with parts.

I wanna have a PC that can do both high-end gaming and processing stuff for my "art" creation.

Getting a secondary PC is not possible due to the extremely expensive electricity in Berlin; I also lack the required space for a second PC as my home consists of only a single room.

51 cents per kilowatt hour, that's too expensive.

Here's my current setup:

System Specifications (Desktop)[www.canva.com]
最後修改者:PaulKrawitz; 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 6:28
Mad Scientist 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 6:48 
引用自 PaulKrawitz
I once read, on the Linus Tech Tips forum, that 24 GB and 48 GB modules can create instability within AMD CPUs...
Step 1: Don't use or listen to LTT.
Step 2: Try GamersNexus instead.

Boards go by compatibility and special notes, if you're trying to OC or not, etc.

AMD CPUs will generally work well with tested-compatible memory modules, at their default supported speeds. Once you start to OC to get the memory max speed if not supported by default of the CPU without OC, more comes into play that can keep stability or cause stability issues.

引用自 PaulKrawitz
I wanna have a PC that can do both high-end gaming and processing stuff for my "art" creation.
Ryzen or Threadripper, IMO. Personally happy with Threadripper myself.

引用自 PaulKrawitz
Getting a secondary PC is not possible due to the extremely expensive electricity in Berlin; I also lack the required space for a second PC as my home consists of only a single room.
You can also get and have installed a breaker box where Solar is the first source of power before going to the service power, and even utilize battery banks with solar if you want to seriously offset costs, presuming the entire system isn't too expensive compared to always buying grid energy.

The more powerful the PC needs to be the more power it's likely going to use especially while rendering.

引用自 PaulKrawitz
Here's my current setup:

System Specifications (Desktop)[www.canva.com]
1600W PSU for that? Seems a bit overkill doesn't it? Also usually recommended to have a psu with a maximum output being less than the APCs maximum rated output.
PaulKrawitz (已封鎖) 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 6:54 
引用自 Mad Scientist
You can also get and have installed a breaker box where Solar is the first source of power before going to the service power, and even utilize battery banks with solar if you want to seriously offset costs, presuming the entire system isn't too expensive compared to always buying grid energy.

The more powerful the PC needs to be the more power it's likely going to use especially while rendering.

1600W PSU for that? Seems a bit overkill doesn't it? Also usually recommended to have a psu with a maximum output being less than the APCs maximum rated output.

I got the PSU because it's the most energy efficient PSU I've found... saving energy through efficiency is kinda important when you're dealing with expensive electricity. 😅

The PC itself will use around 800 watts of power; sometimes it peakes at 950, hence why I got the 1200 watt UPS.

I still live with my parents in an apartment, I have a single room; I have no room for solar equipment and modifications to the building are not allowed.
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SimicEngineer 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 7:15 
We will almost certainly get them eventually, but there's no telling how long it will be until actual availability. Several motherboard vendors announced support for them in late 2023/early 2024 with reference to a specific Kingston module/kit, but the memory itself (module part number "KF560C36-64" is visible in some CPU-Z screenshots in the announcements) apparently never shipped. My understanding is that only Micron currently makes dense enough chips for a 64GB DDR5 UDIMM, and the first wave of production capacity for that process ("1-beta") went primarily to LPDDR5X.
Phénomènes Mystiques 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 7:27 
We have 32GB RAM sticks in 64GB kits, so I will say yes, 64GB RAM sticks and 128GB RAM kits are in the future. :csd2smile:
Omega 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 7:56 
引用自 PaulKrawitz
If 96 GB is sufficient, that would be your answer as you can achieve that with two DIMMs. If not, then yeah, you're looking at four DIMMs which will likely drop the maximum frequency you can stabilize to the 4,800 MHz/5,200 MHz/5,600 MHz window. If that's not desirable for your gaming, you might be best off getting a separate PC for work and play.

This is not true.

The reason these DIMMs exist is because scaling things is getting harder. In the past, increasing capacity by 100% was the norm. This time, they did it by 50%.

People tend to get ideas that something atypical has negative connotations for whatever reason they choose to imagine. In this case, that reason is probably something along the lines of non-binary RAM capacities having never existed before, so previously, any non-binary capacities of RAM would have needed either an odd number of DIMMs or mixed capacities, both of which are things that people also tend to have negative opinions about. Therefore, they attribute negative things to these new DIMMs, even though there's no negative implications unique to the fact that they are non-binary.

In what sense are these capacities supposed to be "uneven"? They are non-binary, yes, but they are "even". That is, the capacities of each RAM chip on the DIMM itself is equal to the capacity of all of the others. If that weren't the case, there would be some unique implications to things in some situations, but that's not the case.

You can literally treat them like any other RAM capacity.

I once read, on the Linus Tech Tips forum, that 24 GB and 48 GB modules can create instability within AMD CPUs... but I wouldn't know if that's true as I have only used laptops, so far; this PC I have now is my first PC, so I have no experience with parts.

I wanna have a PC that can do both high-end gaming and processing stuff for my "art" creation.

Getting a secondary PC is not possible due to the extremely expensive electricity in Berlin; I also lack the required space for a second PC as my home consists of only a single room.

51 cents per kilowatt hour, that's too expensive.

Here's my current setup:

System Specifications (Desktop)[www.canva.com]
Really you should instead opt for HEDT (high-end-desktop) stuff and not consumer hardware with such requirements. You'll be maxing this consumer hardware with the highest amount of RAM it can take, this will also hurt RAM performance.

But frankly, the bit of performance lost due to going 4 sticks is not worth fussing over if you require such amounts of memory.

引用自 WinterSolstice
We have 32GB RAM sticks in 64GB kits, so I will say yes, 64GB RAM sticks and 128GB RAM kits are in the future. :csd2smile:
They already exist, just not for consumers.
最後修改者:Omega; 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 7:59
PaulKrawitz (已封鎖) 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 7:59 
引用自 Omega
引用自 PaulKrawitz

I once read, on the Linus Tech Tips forum, that 24 GB and 48 GB modules can create instability within AMD CPUs... but I wouldn't know if that's true as I have only used laptops, so far; this PC I have now is my first PC, so I have no experience with parts.

I wanna have a PC that can do both high-end gaming and processing stuff for my "art" creation.

Getting a secondary PC is not possible due to the extremely expensive electricity in Berlin; I also lack the required space for a second PC as my home consists of only a single room.

51 cents per kilowatt hour, that's too expensive.

Here's my current setup:

System Specifications (Desktop)[www.canva.com]
Really you should instead opt for HEDT (high-end-desktop) stuff and not consumer hardware with such requirements.

引用自 WinterSolstice
We have 32GB RAM sticks in 64GB kits, so I will say yes, 64GB RAM sticks and 128GB RAM kits are in the future. :csd2smile:
They already exist, just not for consumers.

Yeah, but I still wanna game on it too.
Mad Scientist 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 8:06 
引用自 PaulKrawitz
Yeah, but I still wanna game on it too.
To emphasize; I use an 8-Dimm HEDT system, you can most certainly game on a HEDT system. Just comes down to how much you really want to spend and how much do you really need the specs.
smokerob79 2024 年 12 月 22 日 上午 8:12 
cries on a gaming rig about needing a real work station.....face it you should never be on a gaming rig if you really can use any where near 128gb of memory.....

on top of that you dont seem to understand a lot of things....like memory scaling.....
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