Nvidia wipes the floor with AMD
Looks like neural rendering and DLSS4 Is set to release alongside blackwell.

Could this put Nvidia even further ahead of AMD...
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KM 19. Dez. 2024 um 12:12 
It's like people forget the AMD Athlon era. They have come a long way. And are finally giving a Alt to Intel or NVIDIA.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von A&A:
SMAA > DLSS quality > TAA
drop the scam...
i will gladly take even FXAA over TAA
xDDD 19. Dez. 2024 um 15:21 
I think AMD is making the right choice with focusing on the midrange. They simply cannot compete with Nvidia at the highest-of-high-end range and trying to is only hurting them. They have always been the "good value" cards, not the "I have $2000 to make a silly decision" cards.
Hopefully this choice will lead to them further refining their cards and really nailing down that midrange. They generally hold the edge over Nvidia in the $300-700 bracket which I think is the range where most regular people will be buying.

AMD currently dominates the CPU market, though. All of the top performers are AMD, 11 of the 12 best-selling CPUs on Amazon are AMD, and Intel is currently a bit of a laughing stock. The only thing keeping Intel's market share respectable are prebuilt PCs.


All this aside I should note that one company dominating in hardware is NOT A GOOD THING and leads to excessive price gouging and lackluster performance gains. We've seen this time and time again, and we currently see both AMD and Nvidia doing this.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von xDDD:
I think AMD is making the right choice with focusing on the midrange. They simply cannot compete with Nvidia at the highest-of-high-end range and trying to is only hurting them. They have always been the "good value" cards, not the "I have $2000 to make a silly decision" cards.
I think this is true for now, but is a very situational and temporary thing in the longer view. The problem isn't that AMD GPU products are generally incapable of competing at the high end, it's that they're currently in an uncomfortable corner where one side is a split between the AI-centric and graphics-centric products, and the other side is that they've slipped on the shift to chiplet-based GPU products. They could probably power through a generation with one of these problems, but not both.

The way I understand it, when AMD makes GPU chips right now, they're forced to allocate between AI/compute products ("CDNA"; Instinct) and graphics products ("RDNA"; Radeon). The hardware has many similarities, but due to the complexity of AI software stacks and stability for big institutional customers, they more-or-less froze the Instinct family at the Vega instruction set.

So the key medium/long-term goals for AMD are:

1) Unify the AI/compute and graphics products into a single instruction set (and ideally also microarchitecture). This is already on the roadmap, with the apparent plan being to skip "RDNA5" in order to ship "UDNA6".

2) Get chiplet-based GPU production dialed in.

In other words, they're trying to make their GPU products strategically resemble their CPU products, and just haven't gotten there yet.
Trout 20. Dez. 2024 um 0:31 
more ai slop and upscaling slop... yawn
AmaiAmai 20. Dez. 2024 um 1:00 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Trout:
more ai slop and upscaling slop... yawn

According to "some" it's indistinguishable from the real thing. (pretty funny, right?)

When they state that, I ask: then why even call it AI anything if it's indistinguishable? Why differentiate?

You can guess what happens: rage or block , every time. It's a joke.

AI upscaling is ugly and makes my eyes hurt. Any game that forces me to use that is an automatic skip, not that there are any good games these days anyway. Most are riddled with bugs or are completely lazy.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad 💀 Motha:
AMD only does well with CPUs that are good with Gaming.
Intel still wipes the floor when you compare how their CPUs do in many other tasks.
And the Ryzen 9 are a joke. Now if you can get a AMD ThreadRipper config and make use of all those extra PCIE Lanes; then you've got something serious.

This Ryzen 9 cpu is a joke comment? The Intel equivalent uses more electricity, and the Ryzen 9 up to 20% less.

A fifth less on the electric bill is a joke? Plus electrical wear and tear on the equipment......
Ursprünglich geschrieben von 404NotFound:
Nvidia wipes the floor with AMD
Comments like this make you look intellectually disabled. Wipe the floor in what way exactly? Ray tracing garbage? Certainly not value. Nvidia GPU is very low value compared to AMD.
_I_ 20. Dez. 2024 um 7:29 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von 404NotFound:
Nvidia wipes the floor with AMD
Comments like this make you look intellectually disabled. Wipe the floor in what way exactly? Ray tracing garbage? Certainly not value. Nvidia GPU is very low value compared to AMD.
the same way ferrari wipes the floor with fiat
but each has their own market and both survive
Ursprünglich geschrieben von WinterSolstice:
And there will be zero AMD CPU's that could handle that thing either, the Ryzen 7 barely even supports the 1080Ti. :badluck:
Intel CPUs are gonna go through the roof now they've lost their 40% discount + 25% Trump tax. Means they have to pay $125 where the used to pay $60.
If I want to use like 300 or 400 more watts per hour and spend a thousand extra dollars, I'll use Intel and nvidia

Otherwise I'll just go amd and also amd it's easier to run Linux
Here we go again.
The good old bait :D
r.linder 20. Dez. 2024 um 10:11 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von 404NotFound:
I'm not saying AMD is going to go out of business or anything but the gap seems to be widening more and more every day.
It's been that way for awhile, they were catching up after 2020 but suddenly gave up, likely due to sustainability of their high end GPUs.

7900-XTX only traded blows with the 4080 but drew almost as much power as the 4090, or more if you pit a top end model like Sapphire's NITRO+ against a 4090 FE.
7900-XTX models with a particular vapor chamber design (AMD reference model, PowerColor Red Devil, etc.) were plagued with heat problems due to a flaw in the cooler design, which caused people to return their cards.
Many users, some of whom I know personally, have noticed inconsistencies in performance (larger FPS fluctuations, stutters, etc.) with it as well compared to 4080s and 4090s which is probably owed to AMD's drivers if it isn't being caused by manufacturing defects. Not the CPU, because it was all with top end gaming chips at the time like the 7800X3D and it affected multiple games.

Multiple reasons cause AMD to have lower market share in the GPU market, fewer customers in general but more-so in the high end, most of AMD's market share is in the low end to mid range where people can't just throw money around willy-nilly. So they dropped the high end to focus on where their strengths are in the market, building wealth to more than likely fund a more lucrative project to build back up to where they're ready to re-enter the high end graphics market and actually compete with NVIDIA.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von 404NotFound:
Nvidia wipes the floor with AMD
Comments like this make you look intellectually disabled.
Comments like this are just uncalled for and really speaks of your own intelligence. If you really need to feel the need to attack someone because they made an observation that NVIDIA is completely dominating the market (which they are, stop kidding yourself), then that's an issue you need to work on.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™:
Wipe the floor in what way exactly? Ray tracing garbage? Certainly not value. Nvidia GPU is very low value compared to AMD.
Radeon only offers one thing to its consumers: higher performance per dollar value. That only works for people that aren't interested in anything else and overlook every other detail.

GeForce has more to offer, and that's a fact;

1. In addition to AMD FSR and Intel XeSS, with GeForce RTX you get support for DLSS, so it wouldn't even matter if games didn't support one or the other, because you can use all of them and will always get access to extra performance if needed.
Speaking of DLSS, for those that can make do with frame generation, DLSS-FG is the most effective variation compared to AFMF.
Raytracing isn't really an argument anymore between AMD and NVIDIA because AMD performs almost as good as NVIDIA in every segment of the market, it's other technologies and support that makes up the difference.

2. NVIDIA's drivers are tried and proven to be better than AMD's, even post-2020. If AMD's drivers weren't always ranging from being a little bit behind in quality to being so bad that they bordered on being completely unusable, then AMD wouldn't have garnered a bad reputation for their drivers.

3. NVIDIA now offers better performance per watt again compared to AMD, and it's trending upwards, with Blackwell expected to be more efficient than Lovelace while AMD has been doing the opposite, RX 7000 series was a sizeable increase in power consumption for not much improvement over 6000 series aside from the 7900-XTX, which uses way too much power to only trade blows with a 4080. Lower power usage means lower running cost and lower temperatures. A more efficient design is also more durable and less prone to failure.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von _I_:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™:
Comments like this make you look intellectually disabled. Wipe the floor in what way exactly? Ray tracing garbage? Certainly not value. Nvidia GPU is very low value compared to AMD.
the same way ferrari wipes the floor with fiat
but each has their own market and both survive
Pretty much this, AMD mainly appeals to people who don't have a lot of money and don't care about any kind of frills, whereas people who want the best go with NVIDIA
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Trout:
more ai slop and upscaling slop... yawn

According to "some" it's indistinguishable from the real thing. (pretty funny, right?)

When they state that, I ask: then why even call it AI anything if it's indistinguishable? Why differentiate?

You can guess what happens: rage or block , every time. It's a joke.

AI upscaling is ugly and makes my eyes hurt. Any game that forces me to use that is an automatic skip, not that there are any good games these days anyway. Most are riddled with bugs or are completely lazy.
I have heard similar things from the internet which makes me question if those people have severe ocular issues. Dlss is a good technology and it has matured since it's inception however turning it on vs off I immediately notice the degrading image.

Problem is that in this day and age graphics pipeline devs are either lazy or don't have the tools at their disposal - or both - to do anything that comes close to the crisp and optimized image we have a decade ago. So whenever the taa blur is alleviated by dlss people call it "better" and conveniently omit other problems this tech introduces.

It's what it is and I have no hope we will see any difference in the future unless AMD and NVIDIA magically design hardware that is able to do full res pt
Longy999 20. Dez. 2024 um 11:51 
I switched to AMD a couple of years back and haven't regretted the decision. I had a 6800XT and then switched out to a 7900XTX
This gives me 4080 power, albeit, without the RT capabilities of an Nvidia GPU

It was the price point that got me in the end, always had Nvidia cards but wanting over £2000 for their premium card these times round left a sour taste, especially since in my opinion, RT is still in its infancy and still has a long way to go

There's no doubt that Nvidia has the better capabilities if you go high end but that doesn't escape the fact that I got my 7900XTX for around £400-500 cheaper than a 4080 and goes toe to toe with it in raw performance anyway. Let alone that I've seen post after post on new game forums stating the amount of problems 4090 owners are having getting games to work correctly

Sad thing is that I'll likely be ready for a new rig next year and if AMD are not going to release anything high end then I'll be either forced to pay Nvidia's greedy prices or wait until AMD release something worth the upgrade cost
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