So RTX 5080 is slower than 4090...

[Vegasskill]

...and about 20% faster in Vulkan, 6% faster in OpenCL, and 9% faster in Blender than RTX 4080.
In my opinion it's effectively the same generation as RTX 40xx, which is why they are leaning so heavily on DLSS 4. Without DLSS 4 RTX 50xx series is nothing.

I can bet that DLSS 4 could work on 40xx series but NVIDIA will block this new multi frame generation option in drivers.

Link: https://www.techpowerup.com/331599/new-leak-reveals-nvidia-rtx-5080-is-slower-than-rtx-4090


So guys. Those of you who have RTX 4070, 4080 and 4090 cards, will you buy 5080?

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di Monk:

Ok I can wee 4k at full signal might be more awkward, but I'd expect active convertor to work, though I'm not sure why you'd need 2 such monitors, 3 I'd understand gir triple monitor surround, but 2 suggests one gir gaming, one just for secondary stuff that doesn't really need the full spec.

I want to have full spec on both and I don't see a good reason to not get it when there are GPUs that can handle that. Both AMD and Nvidia have such models.
I have two gaming screens. One is just bigger, 75 inches one for single player games or for movies.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di C1REX:

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

HDMI is a dying format. Upgrade to DP when you can afford it.

There aren't really that many 50+ inch screens with DP ports. There is Samsung Oddysey ARK 55inch with 1DP and 3xHDMI port but it's curved and 2x more expensive than OLED. Not sure if the port is dying when I see it more and more often. Asus premium models have 2xHDMI port.

I have a 55 (or was it 65) inch 4K TV, and I decided to never buy a gaming screen that big again. They are too big to accurately take in the whole thing at decent closeness.

For me, the perfect size for gaming is 32 inch.

[Monk]

Hdmi isn't going anywhere, it's the most convenient option for the masses as display port doesn't carry sound, which is pretty important for tv's and home cinema.

Dp is superior format for monitors though, shame that more tv's don't have it as an option with their specs being so close to gaming monitors lattencys these days but far larger and cheaper.

[Monk]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di C1REX:

There aren't really that many 50+ inch screens with DP ports. There is Samsung Oddysey ARK 55inch with 1DP and 3xHDMI port but it's curved and 2x more expensive than OLED. Not sure if the port is dying when I see it more and more often. Asus premium models have 2xHDMI port.

I have a 55 (or was it 65) inch 4K TV, and I decided to never buy a gaming screen that big again. They are too big to accurately take in the whole thing at decent closeness.

For me, the perfect size for gaming is 32 inch.

That entirely depends on where you sit tbh, I use an 86 inch screen from the couch and at 10-12ft away it's awesome very immersive and can take in everything, though I no longer really play competitive games, but paired with a 7.1.2 system and it's a glorious experience lol

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di Monk:

display port doesn't carry sound

False.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Technical_specifications

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di Monk:

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

I have a 55 (or was it 65) inch 4K TV, and I decided to never buy a gaming screen that big again. They are too big to accurately take in the whole thing at decent closeness.

For me, the perfect size for gaming is 32 inch.

That entirely depends on where you sit tbh, I use an 86 inch screen from the couch and at 10-12ft away it's awesome very immersive and can take in everything, though I no longer really play competitive games, but paired with a 7.1.2 system and it's a glorious experience lol

I want to be close enough that I can comfortably switch out physical disks without having to walk across the room.

I still own, play, and collect PS2 games, as well as some PS1. Many PS1 RPGs require disc switching mid game.

[MonkehMaster]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di C1REX:

I haven't found a single converter or DP to HDMI cable that fully support 4K144Hz, HDR, 4:4:4, VRR. Many say they do but it's not true. Amazon is full of even regular HDMI 2.1 cables with fake certificates and insufficient bandwidth.
I was looking online for an advice and nobody else could get full HDMI 2.1 support on such cables and converters.
Please let me know if you know one that works 100%. Including VRR/FreeSync/G-Sync and HDR at the same time.

HDMI is a dying format. Upgrade to DP when you can afford it.

hdmi aint goin anywhere, anytime soon.

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di C1REX:

There aren't really that many 50+ inch screens with DP ports. There is Samsung Oddysey ARK 55inch with 1DP and 3xHDMI port but it's curved and 2x more expensive than OLED. Not sure if the port is dying when I see it more and more often. Asus premium models have 2xHDMI port.

I have a 55 (or was it 65) inch 4K TV, and I decided to never buy a gaming screen that big again. They are too big to accurately take in the whole thing at decent closeness.

For me, the perfect size for gaming is 32 inch.

im running 2 - 50in 4k 144hz tvs (was a 50 and 55 60hz), wont use anything smaller and im using hdmi, 99% of tvs dont have dp, dont really like monitors personally.

likely still buy converted cables, for dp to hdmi, but dont think they will perform better than the hdmi.

[Monk]

Fair about swapping out discs I guess hehe.

I've never known display port to carry sound in any use case, weird that it isn't used as 8 channels (which I just discovered it can do) is enough for the majority of home cinema (5.1.2 is covered nicely infact) and it is a better cable/ connection, but home cinema / TV seems stuck on hdmi as the standard, guess it helps that it can carry more channels, I'm upto 10 and want to add 3 more (second sub and rear atmos speakers).

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

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I have a 55 (or was it 65) inch 4K TV, and I decided to never buy a gaming screen that big again. They are too big to accurately take in the whole thing at decent closeness.

For me, the perfect size for gaming is 32 inch.

Matter of preference I guess. I know I will never go back to a smaller screen. My wife uses PC just for work and web browsing and she also doesn’t like anything smaller than 50’ any more.
For me there is no such thing as a screen too big - just a desk too small. Or sitting too close.

[D. Flame]

Notice how more and more PCs and Video cards are getting more and more DP and less HDMI ports? There is a reason for that. HDMI licensing costs, and the newer standards for HDMI are being blocked from having open source equivalents.

https://www.symmetryelectronics.com/blog/what-are-the-licensing-costs-associated-with-hdmi/

The HDMI Fee Structure Explained

Now that we understand the term HDMI Adopter, let’s review the fees associated with being an Adopter, namely annual fees and royalty fees. There are 2 annual fee structures:

High-volume (more than 10,000 units) HDMI Adopter Agreement - $10k/year.
Low-volume (10,000 units or less) HDMI Adopter Agreement - $5k/year + flat $1/unit administration fee.

The annual fee is due upon the execution of the Adopter Agreement, and must be paid on the anniversary of this date each year thereafter.

The royalty fee structure is the same for all volumes. The following variable per-unit royalty is device-based and not dependent on number of ports, chips or connectors:

US$0.15 for each end-user licensed product.
US$0.05 – If the HDMI logo is used on the product and promotional material, the per-unit fee drops from US$0.15 to US$0.05. Use of HDMI logo requires compliance testing.
US$0.04 – If HDCP is implemented and HDMI logo is used, the per-unit fee drops further from US$0.05 to US$0.04.

This is why companies are starting to move away from HDMI. Most of the time, they will only have a single HDMI port, just for the sake of compatibility.

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

This is why companies are starting to move away from HDMI. Most of the time, they will only have a single HDMI port, just for the sake of compatibility.

I understand. When I will consider new TVs I may get ones with DP. Sadly, I don't know any good ones. New Nvidia cards still have models with 2xHDMI ports so I'm safe for now. I don't care what ports I use as long as it does the job.

[The Grin]

Messaggio originale di Monk:

Messaggio originale di Preacher:

People are gonna buy the 5000 series? lol

Why wouldn't they if it's available? More powerful than the previous gen with more advanced versions of ai tech.

I mean, what do you expect people to buy?

AMD?

Hello,

I bought my whole PC 3 years ago for the single price of a ridiculous 2500 bucks RTX 50XX graphic card. (there has to be sheeps and a shepard guiding them...always)
Proud owner of a 10 GB RTX 3080 graphic card. Rarely crashing, great overall stability in gaming.
I play literally all heaviest games, sometimes ultra modded ( 1000+/ mods sometimes) + reshade + lut . I play all games around 60 to 90 Fps and I don't need "fake 200 fps" skyrocketing the game's behaviour to unnatural speeds.

It 's strange how it works so well.

And the question here is: " Do I need a 35 GB VRAM Card while most of the games still only need 8 to 10 GB memory maxed out ?"


This is the same question for smartphones: why buy every two years a 1500 bucks smartphone while others use a 300 bucks smartphone for around 6 years without any problems ?

People follow hype waves, the race has begun, there can only be a number one!
Psychology and consumer behaviour are quite interesting to analyze....

[Monk]

So no one is allowed to want higher standards than you?

No one is allowed more disposable income?

So because you don't think something is needed no one else is allowed to want all the eye candy?

No one is telling or forcing you to upgrade or to play games as I / others like to.
An example, I like to play at 4k at 120fps locked and I enjoy the immersion that raytracing brings, if you don't, that's fine, but why criticise those who want and like it just because you don't or cannot afford / justify it.

I can also guarentee your gaming experience on a 3080 is inferior to mine on a 4090 or someone on a 5090 simply because higher refresh IS smoother and nicer to look at as is higher fidelity and resoloution, even without the use of dlss / frame gen so just because you are happy, don't expect others not to have higher standards.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di Monk:

I can also guarentee your gaming experience on a 3080 is inferior to mine on a 4090 or someone on a 5090 simply because higher refresh IS smoother and nicer to look at as is higher fidelity and resoloution, even without the use of dlss / frame gen so just because you are happy, don't expect others not to have higher standards.

If that were true, you wouldn't be on here angry posting all the time.

I have a 165hz monitor, that can do both freesync and gsync, and I often lock it down to 60FPS anyway. The difference between 60 FPS and 120 FPS is barely noticeable, and I am used to playing fighting games where timings could be as strict as a 1/60th of a second (aka 1 frame links). So I prefer consistency over "bIgGeR nUmBeRs," and I do not consider that a degraded experience.

[Monk]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di Monk:

I can also guarentee your gaming experience on a 3080 is inferior to mine on a 4090 or someone on a 5090 simply because higher refresh IS smoother and nicer to look at as is higher fidelity and resoloution, even without the use of dlss / frame gen so just because you are happy, don't expect others not to have higher standards.

If that were true, you wouldn't be on here angry posting all the time.

I have a 165hz monitor, that can do both freesync and gsync, and I often lock it down to 60FPS anyway. The difference between 60 FPS and 120 FPS is barely noticeable, and I am used to playing fighting games where timings could be as strict as a 1/60th of a second (aka 1 frame links). So I prefer consistency over "bIgGeR nUmBeRs," and I do not consider that a degraded experience.

Ive never been even remotely angry on a forum lol.

That you say you cannot notice the difference between 60 and 120fps should really make you question if you are in any position to comment on the quality of an experience.

I will agree stable fps is important, I just won't accept it being as low as 60.

Also having a fighting game at 60fps will be less smooth and slower to react to than it at 120 or 240fps, though, even at 60fps you aren't reacting in 1 frame, but the latency is worse at 60.