the 5000 series is one of the WORST ever

[De Hollandse Ezel]

-if you turn of the dlss no sane people uses
and turn off the upscaling no sane person uses

and only compare raw performance between the 4000 and 5000 series

and also compare 4000 super models vs 5000 models.. not the release models (as that would not be fair vs whats already being sold)

than you see that the performance gain of 5000 series vs 4000 is between 5% and 15% at best.. (with one card even almost the same in performance)

where before a generation would mean a 40% performance boost.. so little gain is one of the worst releases ever..

and they know it.. with their fake attempt to hide it is compare dlss performance. not raw performance.. and not put them vs the super models..

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

No Sherlock.

[Monk]

Well 5090 should be 30% before any ipc improvements and most are happy to use dlss.

[Crawl]

Show us on the doll where Nvidia touched you.

[Obsessive Power]

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

-if you turn of the dlss no sane people uses
and turn off the upscaling no sane person uses

Nothing with wrong with DLSS. It's not a system for dirty casuals. It's crappy at 1080P sure, but at 4K DLSS is great.

[nullable]

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

-if you turn of the dlss no sane people uses
and turn off the upscaling no sane person uses

Well that's not true. You might need to step out of your purist/elitist echo chamber. I think DLSS is great, certainly better than a poke in the eye. And no one can say anything to make me feel bad about that.

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

and only compare raw performance between the 4000 and 5000 series

and also compare 4000 super models vs 5000 models.. not the release models (as that would not be fair vs whats already being sold)

than you see that the performance gain of 5000 series vs 4000 is between 5% and 15% at best.. (with one card even almost the same in performance)

Sure, under very specific criteria there may not be much difference. And if you already have a decent GPU it might not be attractive for you. Not everyone is running a 40 series card though.

Not everyone is against DLSS and frame generation, and it seems like Nvidia is leaning into that. Which means you're not the target demographic. Buy an AMD card I guess.

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

where before a generation would mean a 40% performance boost.. so little gain is one of the worst releases ever..

Is a 4060 40% faster than a 3060? Regardless performance games from one generation to the next vary quite a lot and if that's the only way you evaluate value or success or whatever then sure, you're right. It may not be the only way to do things.

There are improvements, and arbitrarily disqualifying the areas of improvement because you have some kind of prejudice is fine for you, but it doesn't make your opinions objective fact.

So buy an AMD card or wait for the 60 series.

Sometimes a generation of hardware is mediocre, Nvidia's 5x00 from 2003 was quite the stinker too. Maybe the 5xxx series is cursed!

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

and they know it.. with their fake attempt to hide it is compare dlss performance. not raw performance.. and not put them vs the super models..

There's nothing wrong with comparing DLSS performance. That's the thing they improved drastically, so why wouldn't they highlight those improvements?

Yeah, this is going to be contentious for a while yet. But it's not going away and eventually people will stop caring for lots of reasons.

[Bing Chilling]

i think the OP still expects the jump from the 900 series to the 10 series to be the norm
(which was massive and is why alot of people still use 10 series cards)

most generations are going to be 10-20% with some outliers from time to time.

[Corona Scurrae]

There are a few problems here:
- NVIDIA is using tsmc 4nm which is 5nm but with benefits
- They have no competition
- Ada Lovelace was/is terrible (except for the 4090)

I envy your boundless optimism if you sincerely believed NVIDIA would deliver great generational uplift compared to Ada. We have to come to terms with the fact that the days of Pascal and Turing are behind us.
Now it will all be about AI and negligible generational improvements unless there is competition which I hope will be the case in 2026 when AMD introduces udna

[Corona Scurrae]

Btw before the gen on gen improvements were nearly 60% - according to tpu - when comparing the 1060 to the 2060. It all started going downhill with Ampere.

[smokerob79]

fake frames are fake no matter who tries to tell me is a "performance boost".....its like saying the US has a broadcasting source over 30 frames when the TV made the other 90 frames you thought you saw......

Escrito originalmente por Yhorm:

Btw before the gen on gen improvements were nearly 60% - according to tpu - when comparing the 1060 to the 2060. It all started going downhill with Ampere.

so your saying a 770 had a 60% gain over a 680 when they used the same GPU core.....sure buddy.......

[Corona Scurrae]

Escrito originalmente por smokerob79:

fake frames are fake no matter who tries to tell me is a "performance boost".....its like saying the US has a broadcasting source over 30 frames when the TV made the other 90 frames you thought you saw......

Escrito originalmente por Yhorm:

Btw before the gen on gen improvements were nearly 60% - according to tpu - when comparing the 1060 to the 2060. It all started going downhill with Ampere.

so your saying a 770 had a 60% gain over a 680 when they used the same GPU core.....sure buddy.......

Do you have comprehension issues?

[Monk]

Escrito originalmente por smokerob79:

fake frames are fake no matter who tries to tell me is a "performance boost".....its like saying the US has a broadcasting source over 30 frames when the TV made the other 90 frames you thought you saw......

Escrito originalmente por Yhorm:

Btw before the gen on gen improvements were nearly 60% - according to tpu - when comparing the 1060 to the 2060. It all started going downhill with Ampere.

so your saying a 770 had a 60% gain over a 680 when they used the same GPU core.....sure buddy.......

Tell me you've not used it without telling me you've not tried it...

Oh well, enjoy your existing card, I like the tech, it works great and gives a great experience overall.

[_I_]

generally one gen newer = one tier down, in performance
680 was close to a 770
https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-770-vs-GeForce-GTX-680

770 may have more features and can run some games the 680 cant

https://www.hwcompare.com/14636/geforce-gtx-680-vs-geforce-gtx-770/

Model		Geforce GTX 680	Geforce GTX 770
OpenGL Version	OpenGL 4.2	OpenGL 4.3

but wait for actual reviews to see if the 5060 is close to a 4070
or 5070 is close to a 4080
or 5080 is close to a 4090

but its often not worth upgrading to a newer gen lower tier gpu unless you need the features

[Corona Scurrae]

Escrito originalmente por _I_:

generally one gen newer = one tier down, in performance
680 was close to a 770
https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-770-vs-GeForce-GTX-680

770 may have more features and can run some games the 680 cant

https://www.hwcompare.com/14636/geforce-gtx-680-vs-geforce-gtx-770/

Model		Geforce GTX 680	Geforce GTX 770
OpenGL Version	OpenGL 4.2	OpenGL 4.3

but wait for actual reviews to see if the 5060 is close to a 4070
or 5070 is close to a 4080
or 5080 is close to a 4090

but its often not worth upgrading to a newer gen lower tier gpu unless you need the features

Some nerds already counted the frames in the digital foundry video and found out the 5080 at native res is about 17% faster than the 4080. That's a pretty demanding game and NVIDIA sponsored.

[Lord Flashheart]

Where are the actual benchmarks to backup your statements? Not out yet. My suggestion. You do not like it - do not buy it.

Edit: If they are so bad them maybe get the lossless scaling app for about $6 US. It does basic upscaling and frame generation. I doubt as good as dlss 4, but there you go.

[_I_]

again, you are comparing a 5080 to 4080 for performance boost

and trusting analysis from reddit users?

wait for actual reviewers to compare the gpus