prices come down after xmas they said...

[De Hollandse Ezel]

7800x3d still at 550 euro the insane inflated price it became while it shoudl cost 330 euro.
zero drop since it's peak starting early december

9800x3d.. still at 600 euro... it jumped in the first few hours after release from its releaseprice of 570 to 600 euro.. and have stayed there even now ZERO drop

sooo it's now almost 3 weeks after xmas.. and still no price drop back to something more reasonablke...
when will that drop happen eh?

[De Hollandse Ezel]

sure this was mostly driven by volenteers but i could as well have set it up with all involved paid.. ofcouese at a higher price.

the point i tried to make is i start with an goal something to improve society.. see a need fill a need to say.
price flows out that.
so does quality.. (to keep price acceptable)

i need to run with positive numbers..
but i never see a need to maximalise profit.
profit is a tool to keep the real goal going by covering its upkeep... nothing is free.
but it should nevee become its own goal.

had i to live of it sure i would charge myself a wage and likely a bit more than that chef.. but likely a bit less than my teachers job as i not value that work as skilled as my current work and not overchange.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Publicado originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

prices come down after xmas they said...

I never said anything.

[D. Flame]

x3D chips are known for being the best-of-the-best for gaming, so they will always remain high priced. The other chips are the ones that will lower in price.

[Monk]

Ok you seem to be replying on 2 accounts, if anything of it is true, very well done, though you failed miserably at budgeting a menu, 8 euro ahead is insane, you can make a good solid meal for a quarter of that, I say this having experience running hotels, bars, bistro and pubs along with a kitchen in a club once upon a time.

But, again, not really relevant to anything here and very off topic.

[wesnef]

Publicado originalmente por Outcast82:

Publicado originalmente por wesnef:

"Prices will come down after Christmas" likely only applies to things that have enough supply to outstrip demand. Which doesn't apply to the 7800x3D and the 9800x3D.

(At CES, AMD said that they didn't expect how much demand there'd be for the 9800x3D, due to the competing Intel chips being lousy. So supply is well below demand. And chip manufacturing doesn't turn on a dime, there's quite a bit of lag between asking the chip makers to turn up the production, and when it actually happens.)

you full well know amd on purpose reduced the production of 7800x3d chips to create artificial scarsity

People keep saying this like it's some sort of "gotcha", but. . . when you make a replacement for something, it makes sense to wind down production of the thing it's replacing.

They don't keep making RTX 30XX cards when the 40XX come out. They don't keep making 2023 Corvettes once the 2025's come out. Why is "oh, they're not making as many 7800's now that they have 9800's" some sort of crime?

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Publicado originalmente por Monk:

Ok you seem to be replying on 2 accounts, if anything of it is true, very well done, though you failed miserably at budgeting a menu, 8 euro ahead is insane, you can make a good solid meal for a quarter of that, I say this having experience running hotels, bars, bistro and pubs along with a kitchen in a club once upon a time.

But, again, not really relevant to anything here and very off topic.

I have multiple accounts yes.
and yes it was very offtopic

therefor last thing about it :

1 food prices are not in each nation the same.
I happen to know uk food prices in uk are RIDICOUSLY low.
as in a third orso.. of what were used to here in the netherlands.
many things in uk bleed my wallet drie if I am there on holiday (it is a VERY expensive holiday destination).. but the groceries aint one of them.

2 many restaurant/bistro menu's are not "optimal healthy" they often contain to little vegetables, to much butter and salt.. no problem for a healthy person eating there once a while.. but eating out every day in most restaurants would fatten you up and not give you optimal nutricional value (oh it's tasty.. sure.. butter IS tasty.. but we had a bit different mindset here)
just as proper bulking up meals/loosing weight meals cost more if done right with enough variantion and no suplements.. so does it for elderly people

3 the elderly people also have some preferences for foods that now would be less standard.. what was commoners food in their youth, like braised meat, salmon (and we refuse to buy farmed fish).. cows tongue, are costly now.. and we like to toss in some of the items like that in the mix too.

4 we purchased the ingredients at local supermarkets, not horeca supplies... and as you know local supermarket does charge more than horeca pays.
but horea suppliers did not have many of the items we needed.. and often delivering in a bit more bulk than we needed (we had the use of that kitchen a few hours a day.. but it did not have a large walk in fridge.. heck the scouting did not like us to use their small fridge at all.. basicly we came in.. with ingredients we cooked.. we left..)
horea suppliers also pick their own delivery time.. I could not ask a volenteer to sit there for hours before the 5 hours they went cooking.. and if supplies for that day would be late.. the whole thing would be ruined..
**
so without a horeca size fridge and without anybody present outside the hours that they should be buisy cooking.. dealing with horea suppliers was not feasable..

[Monk]

Eating out seems comparable, your beer is far cheaper (Lucky!) and your food seems to be about 10-20% more, still, €8 a meal cost for food done as a charity is very high, I'm sure it was all very high quality at that price, but, it's still crazy expensive.

Still way off topic though

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Publicado originalmente por wesnef:

Publicado originalmente por Outcast82:

you full well know amd on purpose reduced the production of 7800x3d chips to create artificial scarsity

People keep saying this like it's some sort of "gotcha", but. . . when you make a replacement for something, it makes sense to wind down production of the thing it's replacing.

They don't keep making RTX 30XX cards when the 40XX come out. They don't keep making 2023 Corvettes once the 2025's come out. Why is "oh, they're not making as many 7800's now that they have 9800's" some sort of crime?

they don't have their own fabs they order production capacity.
they can just order the capacity to produce both to meet demand.
->
they did not push out as many 9800x3d as they could order capcacity for either.
**
and the fact they wast part of their bought in capacity to produce the new 7600x3d.. a lesser chip they now sell for 430 euro, 100 more than the 7800x3d used to cost proves that this is not an issue of needing the production capacity to fill the demand for the 9800x3d.

no this was a case of "self competition" a thing you know in economics is something buisnuiss try to avoid..
with the 7800x3d at 330 euro.. the 9800x3d did not look as so much a good deal. at its release of 569 euro..
(which in fact was not that much more than the 539 euro the 7800x3d was priced at lauinch)
-> but had demand be fully saturised than most likely just like the 7800x3d that 569 euro would have dropped to 469 euro withing the first month
**it would also mean that any need to bring out a budget 7600x3d would be voided.. as the 7800x3d would fill that spot nicely.

[Mad Scientist]

Publicado originalmente por Monk:

Ok you seem to be replying on 2 accounts

That's usually done when individuals aren't quite having good intentions. Especially if one of such accounts used is well known for that.

Anyway. @OP - I have not heard a single person say those prices would drop after Christmas, if anything it would especially remain the same as people begin using Gift Cards they got. Also, prices usually only drop when the newer stuff is coming out or has been released. You can moreover expect low prices when its 2 generations behind, if it even drops significantly.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

And don't forget about those scalpers selling at insanely high prices after buying the components for cheaper elsewhere, only real retailers will have discounts for new merch.

Also, it depends on your country and region as some prices are higher (or lower) in certain countries, even within the same country.

I personally have seen both the RTX 4070Ti and the RX 7900xtx on retail at lower prices this month but from only 1-2 retailers and only at about $100 or so price drop.

[wesnef]

Publicado originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

Publicado originalmente por wesnef:

People keep saying this like it's some sort of "gotcha", but. . . when you make a replacement for something, it makes sense to wind down production of the thing it's replacing.

They don't keep making RTX 30XX cards when the 40XX come out. They don't keep making 2023 Corvettes once the 2025's come out. Why is "oh, they're not making as many 7800's now that they have 9800's" some sort of crime?

they don't have their own fabs they order production capacity.
they can just order the capacity to produce both to meet demand.

"Just"

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-says-intels-horrible-product-is-causing-ryzen-9-9800x3d-shortages

"Building a traditional semiconductor, it's basically 12 to 13 weeks from when you start a wafer to when you get a product out the other end of the machine," McAfee explained. "The [3D V-Cache] stacking process adds time to that, and so it's longer than a quarter horizon [three months] to really ramp output of those products.

And then there's the fact that those fabbers have other contracts & orders, so you can't just say "make more X" and have them jump right on that.

[nullable]

Publicado originalmente por Outcast82:

Publicado originalmente por nullable:

Know nothings say lots of things and make lots of assumptions. I've always found the prices drop at X time a bit exaggerated to just pure fiction. And/or the price changes are so insignificant waiting didn't gain one anything. But people love the idea of perpetual future discounts.

the price changes are massive

7800x3d was 330 euro from november 2023 till juli 2024. it has been below 400 even longer.
its current price of 550 euro is an insanity..
there is no reason that cpu should suddenly spike above its release price..

likewise while the 7800x3d also launched at a price of 550 euro comparable to 9800x3d.. and jumped a littlr... within 2 weeks after release it dropped below mrsp.. and just 1 month after release it was a full 100 euro below it 7 months after rekease it was 200 below.

Well I'm not saying prices never change. I'm saying the constant prattle that's bantered about that prices will come down after a holiday, or because it's a certain season, or immediately after new hardware is released has been for decades, not very accurate or not worth waiting for. Which is a bit broader claim than 2 CPU SKU's over a year.

And to the point OP is complaining about CPU prices and the claim the prices would come down after Christmas, and they haven't significantly according to what he was told or expects, which is because who ever said it was just repeating a decades old trope ad nauseam. And at best it's occasionally validated like a broken clock.

[ugafan]

9800x3d currently listed at Amazon for $479, but delivery listed as March 25-27. I imagine delivery will get bumped up sooner as stock comes in.