RTX 40 vs 50 series

[Helicopter200]

So on traditional frame render there is no big difference between 40 and 50 series but on frame generation its a big difference and since the 40 series will get DLSS 4 with improved frame generation (Multiframe generation is only for 50 series) this means i will get more frames when using DLSS and its kinda useless to upgrade from 40 series to 50 series since on traditional frame generation is no big difference? Tell me your opinion guys

[D. Flame]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av r.linder:

NVIDIA also can't afford to just let AMD run free on Linux without competition because eventually Linux gaming will become a bigger thing, especially with Valve helping it along by getting involved with Arch, also because of SteamOS and all the software that came with it like Gamescope which has been very useful to other distros.

All NVIDIA's drivers really need is a better control panel that works with Wayland as I said, with ideally most or all of the same functionality

Performance wise they've closed the gap between them and AMD, they just need to keep improving it

I am not sure they can, though.
Isn't the whole schtick that AMD does a lot of stuff open source while Nvidia is entirely proprietary? I don't think proprietary software is really conducive to success on Linux.

Nah, Nvidia isn't fully open source, but they are making some parts of their drivers open source.

[r.linder]

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NVIDIA also can't afford to just let AMD run free on Linux without competition because eventually Linux gaming will become a bigger thing, especially with Valve helping it along by getting involved with Arch, also because of SteamOS and all the software that came with it like Gamescope which has been very useful to other distros.

All NVIDIA's drivers really need is a better control panel that works with Wayland as I said, with ideally most or all of the same functionality

Performance wise they've closed the gap between them and AMD, they just need to keep improving it

I am not sure they can, though.
Isn't the whole schtick that AMD does a lot of stuff open source while Nvidia is entirely proprietary? I don't think proprietary software is really conducive to success on Linux.

They have open-source modules now, and they also don't need to be entirely open-source anyway, that isn't a requirement outside of people's opinions.

As long as NVIDIA's Linux drivers work well and aren't super predatory in any way, I really don't care whether or not NVIDIA will show me the source code of their entire driver or not. I would rather have NVIDIA's proprietary drivers than deal with all of the BS I had to deal with on AMD graphics again.

[xDDD]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av xDDD:

I am not sure they can, though.
Isn't the whole schtick that AMD does a lot of stuff open source while Nvidia is entirely proprietary? I don't think proprietary software is really conducive to success on Linux.

They have open-source modules now, and they also don't need to be entirely open-source anyway, that isn't a requirement outside of people's opinions.

As long as NVIDIA's Linux drivers work well and aren't super predatory in any way, I really don't care whether or not NVIDIA will show me the source code of their entire driver or not. I would rather have NVIDIA's proprietary drivers than deal with all of the BS I had to deal with on AMD graphics again.

I mean it's definitely a nice thing. I suppose this argument is more of an ideological one though.

I would never count any hardware company, whether it is Nvidia or AMD or Intel, to not be predatory though. Every one of them will gladly be predatory as soon as they are able to and won't be harmed by it.

[r.linder]

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They have open-source modules now, and they also don't need to be entirely open-source anyway, that isn't a requirement outside of people's opinions.

As long as NVIDIA's Linux drivers work well and aren't super predatory in any way, I really don't care whether or not NVIDIA will show me the source code of their entire driver or not. I would rather have NVIDIA's proprietary drivers than deal with all of the BS I had to deal with on AMD graphics again.

I mean it's definitely a nice thing. I suppose this argument is more of an ideological one though.

I would never count any hardware company, whether it is Nvidia or AMD or Intel, to not be predatory though. Every one of them will gladly be predatory as soon as they are able to and won't be harmed by it.

Fair, but telemetry/data collection is essentially inevitable, can't avoid 100% of it and not all of it is even bad in the sense that they're taking your data to sell it.

Also doesn't mean that they have anything bad to hide in their drivers, they probably just don't want people taking the DLSS code and doing things they don't want you doing with it... like taking DLSS multi-frame generation and forcing it to work on older generations by any means necessary rofl

[tyl0413]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

Im often getting constant stuttering compared to windows, apparently the newer cards have better drivers or smth.

I've used Linux with both a 3080 and 4070 TS, haven't seen any stutters aside from just proton versions that had issues with some games, switching to another version made stutters go away

2060S using linux takes it from still good to often unplayable, weird is that its not consistently bad, sometimes it runs near perfectly, so idk, probably proton things, still sucks and people say linux is good for reviving old PCs..
I heard newer cards have better drivers.
I hate the current state of PC gaming, my only choice is to basically blindly bet on buying and overpriced overkill card to improve some issues to push it over the line to be considered usable without major compromises. Thanks Microsoft..

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Opprinnelig skrevet av xDDD:

I am not sure they can, though.
Isn't the whole schtick that AMD does a lot of stuff open source while Nvidia is entirely proprietary? I don't think proprietary software is really conducive to success on Linux.

They have open-source modules now, and they also don't need to be entirely open-source anyway, that isn't a requirement outside of people's opinions.

As long as NVIDIA's Linux drivers work well and aren't super predatory in any way, I really don't care whether or not NVIDIA will show me the source code of their entire driver or not. I would rather have NVIDIA's proprietary drivers than deal with all of the BS I had to deal with on AMD graphics again.

and the open kernel modules introduce extra issues and tank performance further

[Monk]

Or, just install windows...

[tyl0413]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Monk:

Or, just install windows...

Windows doesn't exist anymore, 8 was the last, live service forced update spyware adware mobile tier ♥♥♥♥ doesn't count.

[Monk]

Well, that's unfortunate for you.

Not had any adds get in the way and any data they collect is far less than any of the other services people use every day.

I feel bad for people that paranoid.

[tyl0413]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Monk:

Well, that's unfortunate for you.

Not had any adds get in the way and any data they collect is far less than any of the other services people use every day.

I feel bad for people that paranoid.

I'd feel bad for people who tolerate paying for the privilege of being advertised to and spied on while every forced update that restarts in the middle of the day removes even more features and shoves even more bloat like AI in, but they apparently like it or so they say so.

[r.linder]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av r.linder:

I've used Linux with both a 3080 and 4070 TS, haven't seen any stutters aside from just proton versions that had issues with some games, switching to another version made stutters go away

2060S using linux takes it from still good to often unplayable, weird is that its not consistently bad, sometimes it runs near perfectly, so idk, probably proton things, still sucks and people say linux is good for reviving old PCs..
I heard newer cards have better drivers.
I hate the current state of PC gaming, my only choice is to basically blindly bet on buying and overpriced overkill card to improve some issues to push it over the line to be considered usable without major compromises. Thanks Microsoft..

Opprinnelig skrevet av r.linder:

They have open-source modules now, and they also don't need to be entirely open-source anyway, that isn't a requirement outside of people's opinions.

As long as NVIDIA's Linux drivers work well and aren't super predatory in any way, I really don't care whether or not NVIDIA will show me the source code of their entire driver or not. I would rather have NVIDIA's proprietary drivers than deal with all of the BS I had to deal with on AMD graphics again.

and the open kernel modules introduce extra issues and tank performance further

I don't know what you're talking about with the open-source modules performing worse, I never noticed a difference.

[tyl0413]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

2060S using linux takes it from still good to often unplayable, weird is that its not consistently bad, sometimes it runs near perfectly, so idk, probably proton things, still sucks and people say linux is good for reviving old PCs..
I heard newer cards have better drivers.
I hate the current state of PC gaming, my only choice is to basically blindly bet on buying and overpriced overkill card to improve some issues to push it over the line to be considered usable without major compromises. Thanks Microsoft..


and the open kernel modules introduce extra issues and tank performance further

I don't know what you're talking about with the open-source modules performing worse, I never noticed a difference.

Tested it back to back on multiple driver version and it consistently performs worse, this is what im talking about older cards having worse support on linux, I'm glad to hear its better on newer cards so I hope to benefit from it once I upgrade.

[Monk]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Monk:

Well, that's unfortunate for you.

Not had any adds get in the way and any data they collect is far less than any of the other services people use every day.

I feel bad for people that paranoid.

I'd feel bad for people who tolerate paying for the privilege of being advertised to and spied on while every forced update that restarts in the middle of the day removes even more features and shoves even more bloat like AI in, but they apparently like it or so they say so.

Never had an update go through when I didn't want it to, not had any features go missing, not saying they haven't, just nothing I use.

I didn't have to buy it.

And oh no, they know how long the system is on and stuff like that, its not identifiable data and I've nothing to hide, plus, if you use pretty much anything these days you are sharing more data.

But hey, you do you and continue to complain that stuff doesn't work, I'll just get on with gaming and having stuff actually work.

[tyl0413]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Monk:

Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

I'd feel bad for people who tolerate paying for the privilege of being advertised to and spied on while every forced update that restarts in the middle of the day removes even more features and shoves even more bloat like AI in, but they apparently like it or so they say so.

Never had an update go through when I didn't want it to, not had any features go missing, not saying they haven't, just nothing I use.

I didn't have to buy it.

And oh no, they know how long the system is on and stuff like that, its not identifiable data and I've nothing to hide, plus, if you use pretty much anything these days you are sharing more data.

But hey, you do you and continue to complain that stuff doesn't work, I'll just get on with gaming and having stuff actually work.

This attitude is why everything sucks now, software, games, hardware and way beyond, the people who actually see and call things out for how they are are now the minority, the rest just mindlessly consumes the product, thats why the new cards are barely any faster without having to fake it with AI, in 2020 nVidia too realized what many other companies have long before, just how many suckers there are who will pay whatever price and do so every generation without any significant new features or performance increases at thats at best for the sake of the example, at least nVidia doesnt spy or advertise to you or constantly remove features and user choice with every update like Microsoft has done for the past decade, the DLSS subscription will happen one day because there is absolutely nothing stopping it from happening, people are literally begging for it, if it works for Microsoft, Google, every other major company, why shouldn't it for nVidia? Many modern consumers just love being ripped off its really that simple, hard to even blame the companies themselves at that point.

[Guydodge]

Opprinnelig skrevet av D. Flame:

This tells you all you need to know:
https://youtu.be/ORXoOKND1Tk?si=rcUDMRCum_wb-Hqv

Fake Frames

if you have paid any attention over the years.then you already knew the performace
gains they would give and if you strip all the circus tricks away you have the 20 to 30%
its always been minus the few that broke the rule the1080ti and the 4090.so for anyone
who paid attention its par for the course.

[Monk]

Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Monk:

Never had an update go through when I didn't want it to, not had any features go missing, not saying they haven't, just nothing I use.

I didn't have to buy it.

And oh no, they know how long the system is on and stuff like that, its not identifiable data and I've nothing to hide, plus, if you use pretty much anything these days you are sharing more data.

But hey, you do you and continue to complain that stuff doesn't work, I'll just get on with gaming and having stuff actually work.

This attitude is why everything sucks now, software, games, hardware and way beyond, the people who actually see and call things out for how they are are now the minority, the rest just mindlessly consumes the product, thats why the new cards are barely any faster without having to fake it with AI, in 2020 nVidia too realized what many other companies have long before, just how many suckers there are who will pay whatever price and do so every generation without any significant new features or performance increases at thats at best for the sake of the example, at least nVidia doesnt spy or advertise to you or constantly remove features and user choice with every update like Microsoft has done for the past decade, the DLSS subscription will happen one day because there is absolutely nothing stopping it from happening, people are literally begging for it, if it works for Microsoft, Google, every other major company, why shouldn't it for nVidia? Many modern consumers just love being ripped off its really that simple, hard to even blame the companies themselves at that point.

So, because I just want my pc to do it's job and don't care about random Sara that can do me no harm being collected, I'm to blame for nvidia pioneering Ai to keep pushing the limits of gaming fidelity?....

Cool, guess I've done well then.

You clearly don't understand the hardware and business and want total protection if your data.

Guessing life has to be tough these days, not using phones, websites, avoiding cameras, heck, even here is surely a risk to your privacy!

I'm not saying any of this is good, but it's sadly unavoidable, but, that is modern life sadly, atleast my tinfoil bill isn't a major part of my monthly expenses.

Have a nice day.