BUILDING A BEAST! (what do I match with the 5090?!)

[Billbo]

First of all I'm stuck in the debate of whether ill go for the ASUS Astral OC or the Astral OC LC.
(that being said I'm no PC building whizz or anything so if you guys have any serious recommendations as to any 5090's that are looking more promising than those then please let me know.)

My goal is basically just build the biggest beast possible that will be unstoppable in gaming no matter how many graphics mods and extras i put into my games.
I don't have a max budget and will gladly run it up to $10k no questions asked

So far all I really have in mind is the astral OC with the 1600w ASUS Thor PSU, however everything else I'm open to suggestions for, that includes fans, memory, cpu, cases,and motherboards.

Cheers gents :)

[Monk]

If you truly want the fastest, contact jufes from frame chasers and buy his oc bundle

https://framechasers.org/product/9800x3d-max-oc-bundle/

Helikely won't be doing more bundles in the future as they are very time consuming, but everything passes atleast a 24 hour stability check at max overclock, you will not get a faster system unless you spend months binning and testing stuff yourself, but, it isn't cheap.

As for the gpu, don't overly focus on asus, frankly, they are over priced and no faster than anyone else's cards, especially the last couple generations where they don't even have any real higher power limit due to all 5090's having the same 575w limit and a single 12vhpwr that they all have (600w), so I'd go for which ever model you can get, then watercooled it for maximum perfirmance, a zotac with a bykski block and a 360 rad will be cooler and as such faster than an asus lc model, for less money.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

İlk olarak Monk tarafından gönderildi:

If you truly want the fastest, contact jufes from frame chasers and buy his oc bundle

https://framechasers.org/product/9800x3d-max-oc-bundle/

Helikely won't be doing more bundles in the future as they are very time consuming, but everything passes atleast a 24 hour stability check at max overclock, you will not get a faster system unless you spend months binning and testing stuff yourself, but, it isn't cheap.

As for the gpu, don't overly focus on asus, frankly, they are over priced and no faster than anyone else's cards, especially the last couple generations where they don't even have any real higher power limit due to all 5090's having the same 575w limit and a single 12vhpwr that they all have (600w), so I'd go for which ever model you can get, then watercooled it for maximum perfirmance, a zotac with a bykski block and a 360 rad will be cooler and as such faster than an asus lc model, for less money.

not an insult to you but that bundle is extremely overpriced but yes, watercooled ones are a must

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

If it's not a Ti (Titanium), idk wat the real point is with RTX 5090.

[Monk]

I know how much effort he puts into the bundles, so you are paying for his time, plus it's actually binned chips that are then tested, with custom memory he had built from the ground up for him with custom timings, I had a falling out with the guy (he really can be an arrogant penis), but I've known him for like 5 years before that, he does great work and he truly does get the most out of a system he works on.

If you break it down, it's not THAT expensive.
The cpu is over $500.
Custom memory / heatsinks are $500
Mobo is $300, so a $500 premium for a binned cpu and memory along with 48 hours of testing and tuning everything to the limit, it's not cheap, but, if you have the cash but not the time and know how to do it yourself, it isn't crazy.

Bare in mind he was booked up for weeks when he charged $500 just to tune a system you already owned.

It's gir people with money but not time.
You could just pay for his course where it will reach you to do it all yourself and do the binning yourself.
I spent over £3k binning my own 14900ks as an example and buying pre binned cpu's tend to have a couple hundred bucks premium on them if you buy one.

As I said, I don't talk to the guy any more, but, he does do good work.

[Monk]

İlk olarak WinterSolstice tarafından gönderildi:

If it's not a Ti (Titanium), idk wat the real point is with RTX 5090. :chirp:

Yes because waiting for the 4090 to worked out so well for people.

If you can afford it and want more performance later, you'll simply upgrade to a 5090ti if it is released, if you can't, you probably cannot really afford the card to begin with.

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İlk olarak Monk tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak WinterSolstice tarafından gönderildi:

If it's not a Ti (Titanium), idk wat the real point is with RTX 5090. :chirp:

Yes because waiting for the 4090 to worked out so well for people.

If you can afford it and want more performance later, you'll simply upgrade to a 5090ti if it is released, if you can't, you probably cannot really afford the card to begin with.

i would probably headbutt the wall if the 5090ti releases after buying the 5090 on day 1

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

İlk olarak Monk tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak WinterSolstice tarafından gönderildi:

If it's not a Ti (Titanium), idk wat the real point is with RTX 5090.

Yes because waiting for the 4090 to worked out so well for people.

If you can afford it and want more performance later, you'll simply upgrade to a 5090ti if it is released, if you can't, you probably cannot really afford the card to begin with.

It won't be released, I believe the final ADA series 6090 will include the long awaited ADA Ti.

[Monk]

The worse for that was the 780 to 780ti, it was only about 6 months (like usual up until the 10 series), however, it wasn't a slight 5% boost but an entirely new chip.

End of the day, if it annoys you, you probably cannot afford it and it's not like it reduces your performance.

I had it happen on the 980, but I was running sli and it wasn't worth the upgrade and with the 7800gtx, which died due to over zealous over clocking (there really were no safeguards back then) which got replaced by the 7900 gtx under warranty conveniently and genuinely 3 says after it's release lol (thanks asus).

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

It doesn't matter what you pick. All CPU's will be a bottleneck for the RTX 5090 on launch.

[AmaiAmai]

İlk olarak Ontrix_Kitsune tarafından gönderildi:

It doesn't matter what you pick. All CPU's will be a bottleneck for the RTX 5090 on launch.

In most games CPUs haven't been the bottleneck for a long time. In unoptimized games or games that come out in 2024/2025 that still use SSE1 & 2 maybe, but in actual games that are optimized? No.

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

İlk olarak AmaiAmai tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Ontrix_Kitsune tarafından gönderildi:

It doesn't matter what you pick. All CPU's will be a bottleneck for the RTX 5090 on launch.

In most games CPUs haven't been the bottleneck for a long time. In unoptimized games or games that come out in 2024/2025 that still use SSE1 & 2 maybe, but in actual games that are optimized? No.

You might want to actually research something before you comment on it. If you follow tech news online and look at benchmarks you would see even the RTX 4090 still gains performance in games to be faster and faster with each new CPU that releases. Even the 4090 will still gain performance with newer processors in the future and the 5090 is even faster.

[AmaiAmai]

İlk olarak Ontrix_Kitsune tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak AmaiAmai tarafından gönderildi:

In most games CPUs haven't been the bottleneck for a long time. In unoptimized games or games that come out in 2024/2025 that still use SSE1 & 2 maybe, but in actual games that are optimized? No.

You might want to actually research something before you comment on it. If you follow tech news online and look at benchmarks you would see even the RTX 4090 still gains performance in games to be faster and faster with each new CPU that releases. Even the 4090 will still gain performance with newer processors in the future and the 5090 is even faster.

Wow, what a meanie. Reality still stands.

[Illusion of Progress]

İlk olarak Billbo tarafından gönderildi:

First of all I'm stuck in the debate of whether ill go for the ASUS Astral OC or the Astral OC LC.
My goal is basically just build the biggest beast possible that will be unstoppable in gaming no matter how many graphics mods and extras i put into my games.

This is not obtainable, and likely never will be with current PC types, since infinite performance doesn't/can't exist with them.

"The fastest hardware" is a time limited status symbol only, and something that is an arbitrary label that humans use on it doesn't change the objective performance it has or doesn't have. Being the best for a brief period of time doesn't allow the hardware to always perform up to desires no matter the situation.

If you really need humbled on this, buy the following stuff and then go crazy with Minecraft, its mods, and shaders and then get back to me.

The closest you can ever get to this (but you won't actually get it unless your demands are less than the hardware is capable of) will always be "whatever is the fastest hardware available at the time".

For gaming, right now, that would be...

CPU: Ryzen 7 9800X3D

RAM: The fastest two (not four) DIMMs you can get. The most capacity you can get with two DIMMs, at least on consumer platforms and without absolutely trading off a lot of frequency/performance, is probably 96 GB, and maybe that will even be a bit slower than 64 GB, 48 GB, or 32 GB kits but I'm not sure.

GPU: The RTX 4090 now, and the upcoming RTX 5090 soon.

Flip a coin on the rest (motherboard, SSD, etc.) because as long as you don't get terrible stuff there, it mostly makes margin of error difference in most gaming. Pick a display based on your desired panel type (LCD, OLED, etc.), resolution, aspect ratio, refresh rate, other features, and so on.

[Guydodge]

İlk olarak Ontrix_Kitsune tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak AmaiAmai tarafından gönderildi:

In most games CPUs haven't been the bottleneck for a long time. In unoptimized games or games that come out in 2024/2025 that still use SSE1 & 2 maybe, but in actual games that are optimized? No.

You might want to actually research something before you comment on it. If you follow tech news online and look at benchmarks you would see even the RTX 4090 still gains performance in games to be faster and faster with each new CPU that releases. Even the 4090 will still gain performance with newer processors in the future and the 5090 is even faster.

yeah maybe in 1080p which everyone i know builds a 5000.00+ rig to run in 1080p..lol
in gaming running in 4k where i would bet most are trying to run. theres a GPU
wall your going to hit and the 5000 series i doubt will break that wall.(maybe im wrong)
with the AI crap adding 4 to 1 frames any serious gamers not going to use it like that.
so with the real gains of 20-30% we should see the cpus tested a little more and one
may pull ahead we'll have to wait and see.

[76561199793899658]

if you want to build the best..

2000 euro : rtx 5090
1800 euro monitor : ASUS ROG Swift OLED PG48UQ
650 euro cpu : amd ryzen 7 9800x3d
450 euro mobo : ASUS ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi
400 euro ram : corsair 96GB (2x48GB) Corsair Vengeance CMK96GX5M2B6000C30
1200 euro primary storage (2x) Crucial T705 4TB
1500 euro secondairy storage (2x) WD Black SN850X 8TB
1300 euro tertertiary storage (2x) WD Ultrastar DC HC590, SATA, SE, 26TB
550 euro psu XPG FUSION 1600 Titanium
300 euro case : Thermaltake Core V71 - Tempered Glass Edition
90 euro : cooling : be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 5
90 euro : blue ray RW : ASUS BW-16D1HT
60 euro : cardreader Akasa InterConnect EX
120 euro fans : 2x NZXT F360 RGB Core 120mm
40 euro fans : NZXT F240 RGB Core 129mm
50 euro fans : DeepCool FD14 ARGB, 140mm (3 pack)
420 keyboard : Corsair K100 RGB, Cherry MX Speed, Qwerty US
80 euro mouse : Corsair M75
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11100 euro

thats a nice starting point.

if thats to rich for your blood i'd stat by reducing the storage
as i clearly went for the absolute best in volume and speed there but you most likely not need as much. theres tgousands to cut away there..

96gb ram might also be more than you need.

the blue ray ray & cardreader i personally still like to have but i get why some would cut them to save another 150

i opted for aircooled some prefer aio or custom loop.