Switching to AM5

[blunus]

CPU - Ryzen 7600
CPU Cooler - ID-Cooling FROZN A410 SE Black
GPU - RX 6750 XT (carry over)
RAM - Patriot Viper Venom 2x16GB 6000MHz CL30
Storage - 1TB SSD + 1TB HDD (carry over)
PSU - Seasonic G12 GM-750 (carry over)
Case - Montech Air 903 MAX
Monitor - Dell G2724D

I don't know which motherboard is since they usually shifted into out of stock and forth back in my country (EU). This build is for casual gaming, so I don't care about higher settings. Budget is pretty stable, would prefer cheap options.

[Illusion of Progress]

What are you switching from?

If it's AM4, the 5700X3D is an alternative consideration since it's similar (often better) performance in games at a far cheaper price. It will lack the future upgrade options of AM5, but I'd argue if you're on an older AM4 CPU and neglecting to take advantage of it there, on the platform with the most offering insofar as upgrade length went, then you probably won't take advantage of it on AM5 either. I imagine most people upgrade CPUs more than 5 years apart, and by then we'll see AM6, so if you don't upgrade from the 7600X to another AM5 CPU very fast, it just makes sense to get a 5700X3D for cheaper and leapfrog AM5 entirely. At least, that's what I'd do unless you have 9800X3D/10800X3D plans in the next two years.

If you're not already on AM4 (like if it's something Intel), then forget that and go with AM5.

That cooling seems okay, but a Thermalright Phantom Spirit or Peerless Asassin isn't much more expensive, and is better on performance and quieter as well[www.tomshardware.com]. Up to you whether you want to spend up a bit more for that though (it's currently a $12 difference between the two in the US, but I'd imagine it should therefore be a small difference between them in the EU as well).

[blunus]

From my previous thread I've bought Ryzen 5600X, Seasonic G12, and RX 6750 XT in order for this older AM4 build to survive. I don't think I would upgrade this dead platform for me.

Both Thermalright coolers are overkill for Ryzen 7600 and are more expensive than FROZN A410 (not to mention that it's currently discounted for a while). They also went out of stock for a good reason.

[Illusion of Progress]

If you're already on AM4, especially with a 5600, I only see it worthwhile to move to AM5 if you're going to an X3D CPU. The reason is because any CPU less than those can be too closely matched (and often outperformed) in gaming by in-platform options.

Take a look at how an in-platform option (the 5700X3D) stacks up against your current AM5 choice (the 7600). Keep in mind you need to spend more to move to the 7600 since it needs a motherboard/RAM purchase along with it.

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-r7-3700x-r5-3600-2024-revisit-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-5700x3d-more

Making a single generation upgrade, where you stay at the same tier/core count, and need to rebuy board and RAM to do it? That almost seems unheard of to me...

Most people don't even make single generation changes when they're on the same socket, let alone a different one. You need to be looking at multiple generations to make it worth it then.

Honestly, if you're just a casual gamer, I would imagine your current 5600 should be fine.

[Electric Cupcake]

Ignore the people who say AM5 needs liquid cooling. A fan works fine.

[emoticorpse]

What's wrong with your 5600x?

[gwwak]

I don't think the CPU upgrade is really worth it, unless you are playing a specific game that the 5600X is holding you back in. You are probably better off with a GPU upgrade, not that your current GPU is bad by any means.

[xDDD]

To be honest I don't think the jump between the 5600x and the 7600 is big enough to warrant the upgrade.

Recently I had a similar situation, I was on AM4 (3700x) and wanted to upgrade to AM5, ended up getting a 9700x. Even that, which is a far more significant upgrade, was not really mindblowing at all. Yes it is a great CPU (easily in the top 5) and yes things are undeniably faster and certain games run better. No I don't regret it one bit. Buuuut realistically I could have stayed on my old CPU and would have been getting along perfectly fine.


If you do that 7600 build there is a strong chance you'll want to upgrade it again within a year or two. Might be better off just grabbing the 5700x3D as it would probably hold up fine until AM6 comes.

[soup]

Originally posted by Electric Cupcake:

Ignore the people who say AM5 needs liquid cooling. A fan works fine.

the 7950X is the only one i'd go for water cooling on. unreasonably thick IHS (for AM4 cooler compatibility) + 235 whole watts (TDP =/= actual power draw) + case (higher internal temperatures because airflow isn't perfect) = good chance you're throttling no matter what ungodly air cooler you slap on there
this applies less-so to lower-tier Zen 4 SKUs, but they still run very hot regardless

[blunus]

The actual CPU (Ryzen 2600) is beaten up to pulp by 7600 or higher anyways. I never said that 5600x would be good to be thrown away in a bin as it's just recently used. I've already ordered some parts, so don't convince me to stay on that dead platform. Thank you for suggestions.

Originally posted by gwwak:

I don't think the CPU upgrade is really worth it, unless you are playing a specific game that the 5600X is holding you back in. You are probably better off with a GPU upgrade, not that your current GPU is bad by any means.

What's wrong with my GPU?

[BurakZG]

There's nothing wrong with your GPU.
The point is, you spend a lot of money to upgrade to AM5 and you will get very little improvement in games (in comparison to 5600X).
If you have spent the same money to get 7800XT for example, you would see real improvement in games.
"dead platform" is just philosophical term. AM4 is perfectly valid solutuion for many users.

Pairing Ryzen 5600(X) with Radeon 7800 XT is probably the best value for money at this moment, for a budget build.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by blunus:

The actual CPU (Ryzen 2600) is beaten up to pulp by 7600 or higher anyways. I never said that 5600x would be good to be thrown away in a bin as it's just recently used. I've already ordered some parts, so don't convince me to stay on that dead platform. Thank you for suggestions.

If you were already going to do something and didn't want to hear otherwise, then why make a thread asking for input? I'll never understand why people do that.

[Ralf]

Originally posted by Electric Cupcake:

Ignore the people who say AM5 needs liquid cooling. A fan works fine.

Liquid cooling has fan too, you know.

[pasa]

I wouldn't try to save few bucks on cooler and get esports duo or peerless assassin.

You don't need cl30 ram. We usually use gskill or kingston fury. 6000 is good aim, then look for more numbers, and don't fall for 30-40-40 BS that is worse than say 36-36-36. And most importantly consult the mobo's compatibility list for ram, pick from there.

mobo selection is full with nuances, not possible to help without posting preferences.

[matt]

So, you're looking for advice on an AM5 motherboard? With a 7600, I guess you might as well just choose whatever is cheapest but retains support for the features you require, such as DDR5-6000 and WiFi, if you use that.

Get a B650 chipset if you need walk into a store and buy it today. Wait for the B850 otherwise. If you're this stubborn about not staying with a proven but slightly older platform, you'll definitely want to wait until later this week for the official B850 launch, which will also probably solve the availability problem.

[pasa]

I would defnitely not buy into 1st day products, B650 is mature by now, B850 will take another year to get there. And what are the advantages really?