4000 series DLSS 4

[Guydodge]

this is the game changer for 4000 series that reels in the reality.minus AI MULTI crap
that at this point will probably be like the beginnings of DLSS


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3402864782

[Guydodge]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmaiAmai:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tiberius:

Idk, someone said, "unless you go looking for stuff that's wrong, you won't notice it over native if you are just playing and not actively looking"

I don't know, I can't stand the images it creates on any upscaling DLSS or not and that isn't because of looking for anything, it's the motion that is bad.

Then again, I'm the type that hates cinema grain, blur, etc. - all things that will hide most of the problem. I also hate ghosting to the max after a head injury, so maybe that is it.

But none of those issues happen with upscaling off and monitor adjusted to not cause artifacts (the same artifacts can happen even without upscaling in some terri-bad animations and poorly optimized games anyway).

I don't believe that it's indistinguishable when one gives motion sickness and a migraine and the other does not. Don't really need a company trying to see a product to me, a Youtuber, or article-writer to tell me otherwise when reality contradicts what they say.

there is a sweet spot when using DLSS you have to find and adjust.some will be RT settings
lighting /reflections ect in some games to avoid issues.i to hate blur but add film grain to every game if present.i feel it gives much softer colors vrs the bolder solid look without it.

[Andrius227]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Guydodge:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmaiAmai:

I don't know, I can't stand the images it creates on any upscaling DLSS or not and that isn't because of looking for anything, it's the motion that is bad.

Then again, I'm the type that hates cinema grain, blur, etc. - all things that will hide most of the problem. I also hate ghosting to the max after a head injury, so maybe that is it.

But none of those issues happen with upscaling off and monitor adjusted to not cause artifacts (the same artifacts can happen even without upscaling in some terri-bad animations and poorly optimized games anyway).

I don't believe that it's indistinguishable when one gives motion sickness and a migraine and the other does not. Don't really need a company trying to see a product to me, a Youtuber, or article-writer to tell me otherwise when reality contradicts what they say.

there is a sweet spot when using DLSS you have to find and adjust.some will be RT settings
lighting /reflections ect in some games to avoid issues.i to hate blur but add film grain to every game if present.i feel it gives much softer colors vrs the bolder solid look without it.

Also depends on the resolution of the monitor. 1080p looks terrible no matter what i do and dlss only makes it worse.

My main display is 1440p and it looks good with dlss quality.

And i plan to buy a 4k display soon and i would not be surprised if it looked fine with dlss performance and frame gen.

[r.linder]

Yes a lot of people still run 1080p because they have weaker hardware, if games didn't get so ridiculously unoptimised or demanding then 1080p would've already been close to total obsolescence with the latest GPUs

Would never go back to 1080p, 1440p is a lot better, and eventually 2160p will replace it

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von r.linder:

Yes a lot of people still run 1080p because they have weaker hardware, if games didn't get so ridiculously unoptimised or demanding then 1080p would've already been close to total obsolescence with the latest GPUs

Would never go back to 1080p, 1440p is a lot better, and eventually 2160p will replace it

1080 doesn't mean weak hardware, it means people enjoy smooth high fps with max ingame settings, by the time the 4k replaces 1440p we will be at rtx 8090 to have smooth experiences above 165hz constantly

[r.linder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von r.linder:

Yes a lot of people still run 1080p because they have weaker hardware, if games didn't get so ridiculously unoptimised or demanding then 1080p would've already been close to total obsolescence with the latest GPUs

Would never go back to 1080p, 1440p is a lot better, and eventually 2160p will replace it

1080 doesn't mean weak hardware, it means people enjoy smooth high fps with max ingame settings, by the time the 4k replaces 1440p we will be at rtx 8090 to have smooth experiences above 165hz constantly

That's the opinion of a vocal minority obsessed with FPS, most people who buy newer and faster graphics cards are running 1440p or 2160p and are happier with it.

There's also always going to be games you can't run at 165+ consistently, it's a waste to worry about "muh FPS."

DLSS MFG also already makes it possible at higher resolution with supported titles, all they have to do is support DLSS of any version and all you need is a Blackwell card. 1080p's on the verge of being effectively pointless if you keep up with the latest hardware.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von r.linder:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

1080 doesn't mean weak hardware, it means people enjoy smooth high fps with max ingame settings, by the time the 4k replaces 1440p we will be at rtx 8090 to have smooth experiences above 165hz constantly

That's the opinion of a vocal minority obsessed with FPS, most people who buy newer and faster graphics cards are running 1440p or 2160p and are happier with it.

There's also always going to be games you can't run at 165+ consistently, it's a waste to worry about "muh FPS."

DLSS MFG also already makes it possible at higher resolution with supported titles, all they have to do is support DLSS of any version and all you need is a Blackwell card. 1080p's on the verge of being effectively pointless if you keep up with the latest hardware.

smoothness and quality both matter
did you just mention DLSS? the clown award is deserved right here, no actual gamer would accept those cheap excuses that ruin the latency and the image quality for fake frames, many pro users still use 1080p if not lower, 1080p will never die, also you seem like you have never experienced smooth FPS, it's understandable when you run with a bad system or 4k maxed out with only 120fps at most
your type of person are the exact reason why people complain about new games, look at stinkler 2 for example, that game looks terrible, feels empty, and yet plays extremely bad even on a 4090

[r.linder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von r.linder:

That's the opinion of a vocal minority obsessed with FPS, most people who buy newer and faster graphics cards are running 1440p or 2160p and are happier with it.

There's also always going to be games you can't run at 165+ consistently, it's a waste to worry about "muh FPS."

DLSS MFG also already makes it possible at higher resolution with supported titles, all they have to do is support DLSS of any version and all you need is a Blackwell card. 1080p's on the verge of being effectively pointless if you keep up with the latest hardware.

smoothness and quality both matter
did you just mention DLSS? the clown award is deserved right here, no actual gamer would accept those cheap excuses that ruin the latency and the image quality for fake frames, many pro users still use 1080p if not lower, 1080p will never die, also you seem like you have never experienced smooth FPS, it's understandable when you run with a bad system or 4k maxed out with only 120fps at most
your type of person are the exact reason why people complain about new games, look at stinkler 2 for example, that game looks terrible, feels empty, and yet plays extremely bad even on a 4090

I used to run on a 24" 1080p 240Hz, I know what it's like. It's smooth but it's still nothing compared to 1440p 144+ in quality. "Pro" gamers are using those and better monitors for specific games that actually need higher FPS, you're nuts if you think they're chasing frames in literally every title. It's for their job, that's how they make money and they need a faster monitor that looks like garbage to have as much of a competitive edge as possible.

DLSS Quality is already just about identical with native and it's only going to improve over time, tell me you haven't actually used it without telling me you haven't actually used it. The frames aren't fake either just because they're produced by machine learning, it's a GPU feature that isn't going away and even AMD is doing it, so get over it. 1440p with DLSS Quality still looks better than 1080p native.

No, the reason why people complain about games is because they have a hard time getting even 60 FPS in a lot of these games because developers have gotten so lazy at optimising their games so even a 4090 doesn't struggle.

You're the type of consumer that NVIDIA freaking loves because you'll pay top dollar every single generation for a flagship just because of FPS. Absolutely ridiculous waste of a 4090 and 5090's potential.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

"DLSS Quality is already just about identical"
I'm sorry for you, i really am sorry for your inferior eyes.
But yes NVIDIA loves my type because we have money for the best of the best
There is no "getting" over it, any game under 165 is not enjoyable at all, there is a reason why i play older stuff where i can enjoy 300+
using some crappy excuse of an "optimisation" to upscale your game from some low blurry resolution back up to 1440p with forced TAA looks absolutely terrible, just look at cyberpunk 2077, that thing is blurry as hell
I'll let you be because it's not worth arguing with someone who can't see the obvious
next thing I'll hear is "ai generated frames are not fake"

[Monk]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

"DLSS Quality is already just about identical"
I'm sorry for you, i really am sorry for your inferior eyes.
But yes NVIDIA loves my type because we have money for the best of the best
There is no "getting" over it, any game under 165 is not enjoyable at all, there is a reason why i play older stuff where i can enjoy 300+
using some crappy excuse of an "optimisation" to upscale your game from some low blurry resolution back up to 1440p with forced TAA looks absolutely terrible, just look at cyberpunk 2077, that thing is blurry as hell
I'll let you be because it's not worth arguing with someone who can't see the obvious
next thing I'll hear is "ai generated frames are not fake"

So, you have never experienced the tech, clearly, infact by the sounds of it you haven't actually played a game over 165fps, as I am guessing that is your monitors refresh rate, fps over your screens Hz does not look smoother, it can look a bit worse, what it can do is reduce the latency by a near insignificant ammount, that you think it 'looks better' just tells me you do not have a clue and are talking out of your behind.

anything below it looks awful you say, you will not detect 144 to 165 for example, the higher you go the far harder it is to distinguish any differences, one of the main reasons for high fps is to raise the 0.1% lows so that drops or stutters are less impactful and a constant 120 is smoother and better experience than 240 with drops to 100.

1080p looks like ass compared to 1440p and unless you are earning money playing, 1440p high refresh is far better than 1080p even for competitive players, the difference between 360 fps and 500 is so tiny in a blind test most won't even tell the difference reliably, but 1080p to 1440p is easy to see.

And there are 480Hz 1440p screens now, so, the ultimate choice tbh and any competitive game won't be held back by going to 1440p.
The biggest argument for 1080p is there aren't really any 23.5 or 24 inch 1440p panels like there are for 1080p, not the refresh rate by actual competitive players.

As for dlss looking blurry?.... OK version 1 wasn't the best, but new versions you need to look hard to spot the defects, which, you won't tend to be doing while actually playing.

End of the day, you haven't tested and experienced this stuff for yourself, so your opinion is invalid, you are only going by what others have said or compressed videos on YouTube.

Looking at your reviews, I think you have an issue with your system or you are simply lieing about owning a 4090, or both.

Stalker 2 I'm all but locked at 120fps at 4k using dlss and it looks all but identical to native while actually playing and you need to look for the spots where it's deficient instead of actually playing the game.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Monk:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

"DLSS Quality is already just about identical"
I'm sorry for you, i really am sorry for your inferior eyes.
But yes NVIDIA loves my type because we have money for the best of the best
There is no "getting" over it, any game under 165 is not enjoyable at all, there is a reason why i play older stuff where i can enjoy 300+
using some crappy excuse of an "optimisation" to upscale your game from some low blurry resolution back up to 1440p with forced TAA looks absolutely terrible, just look at cyberpunk 2077, that thing is blurry as hell
I'll let you be because it's not worth arguing with someone who can't see the obvious
next thing I'll hear is "ai generated frames are not fake"

So, you have never experienced the tech, clearly, infact by the sounds of it you haven't actually played a game over 165fps, as I am guessing that is your monitors refresh rate, fps over your screens Hz does not look smoother, it can look a bit worse, what it can do is reduce the latency by a near insignificant ammount, that you think it 'looks better' just tells me you do not have a clue and are talking out of your behind.

anything below it looks awful you say, you will not detect 144 to 165 for example, the higher you go the far harder it is to distinguish any differences, one of the main reasons for high fps is to raise the 0.1% lows so that drops or stutters are less impactful and a constant 120 is smoother and better experience than 240 with drops to 100.

1080p looks like ass compared to 1440p and unless you are earning money playing, 1440p high refresh is far better than 1080p even for competitive players, the difference between 360 fps and 500 is so tiny in a blind test most won't even tell the difference reliably, but 1080p to 1440p is easy to see.

And there are 480Hz 1440p screens now, so, the ultimate choice tbh and any competitive game won't be held back by going to 1440p.
The biggest argument for 1080p is there aren't really any 23.5 or 24 inch 1440p panels like there are for 1080p, not the refresh rate by actual competitive players.

As for dlss looking blurry?.... OK version 1 wasn't the best, but new versions you need to look hard to spot the defects, which, you won't tend to be doing while actually playing.

End of the day, you haven't tested and experienced this stuff for yourself, so your opinion is invalid, you are only going by what others have said or compressed videos on YouTube.

Looking at your reviews, I think you have an issue with your system or you are simply lieing about owning a 4090, or both.

Stalker 2 I'm all but locked at 120fps at 4k using dlss and it looks all but identical to native while actually playing and you need to look for the spots where it's deficient instead of actually playing the game.

hello chatGPT or should I say person with no experience?
I've been on a 1440p 180hz monitor that i have set down to 165hz for quite a while, i don't know how you cannot see the difference that is the slight blur when using DLSS but that sounds like vision issue to me especially if you wear glasses, i sit very close and comfortably to the screen at only about 20cm~ and i can see everything that is going on, i am the type of player that can see the difference between 120 and 165hz easily because i am used to it, i do in fact own a 4090, my previous GPU was a 7900XTX that i replaced with the 4090 because i wanted more performance and no i don't even listen to idiots on youtube like linus tech tips because most of the times he is straight up telling BS, same with hardware unboxed, i tested some games at the exact same settings that he used and i ended up with over 40 more fps than him which just proves to me that i don't need to listen to any peasants here, i actually believe you haven't played any game with forced blurry TAA on such as space marines 2, that game looks awful soon as you move, it just that my eyes are far superior to the average user which is you and most here 🤷‍♀️, not sorry to say but you sound like you are over 40 to not be able to notice any of this, and lastly i can slighty notice 144 from 165 because it feels a bit off so there's your answer, it's not worth arguing with inferior eyes

if i wasn't able to tell anything apart i wouldn't be upgrading every generation to get more

in fact most games that i do enjoy playing have over 230fps for me which is enough for me to satisfy my needs and lock it back to 165 because then i know i will NEVER come anywhere close to dipping as low as my screen refresh rate such as stutters, so don't come at me saying I'm only listening to what some random hobo on a video platform says when i barely watch any at all because i know i always beat their numbers due to my heavy overclocking on everything
I've asked over 15 friends about their opinion on DLSS and this stuff and 13 of them think you're full of old man nonsense and a sheep that cannot see

edit: no i did not jester you because I'm not gonna waste my points on a grandpa

edit 2: i suggest you play a game on how it's meant to be played, NA-TI-VE-LY and not some cheap excuse
i should probably flex that i have the better processor as well to add on top to this brainless of an argument just to invalidate you further

also i don't think I'm being rude at all but rather giving you my side of how it is for me
not worth trying to prove anything to someone who thirsts to be the right one

[Monk]

Lol so you do have a crap screen and sit so close you can see the damn pixels at 1080p.

I have a fully open profile, you can see I've got around 130 hours in sm2.
Yours is quite locked down, hence I had to look at reviews.

Im not a fan of taa, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be, atleast from a sensible distance with a decent ppi where you cannot see individual pixels.

You are right, I'm 42, I play at 4k locked 120 these days.
My eyes aren't as good as they were when I was younger, but still don't need glasses and I both raced motorbikes and was on the pro scene on cod4 when I was younger, so my eyes are pretty solid, likely above average still if based on nothing more than at what speed you start to get tunnel vision at, but, that you sit so close you can see the individual pixels says it all.

Try sitting at arms length with a 1440p or 4k panel and half your issues will vanish, heck, even on your cheap 1080p panel stuff will appear better!
You are simply too close and at 1080p you are dropping the image to 720p before upscaling, no wonder that at 20cm it looks bad! It's not the tech with an issue, it's your posture and not using the hardware correctly.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Monk:

Lol so you do have a crap screen and sit so close you can see the damn pixels at 1080p.

I have a fully open profile, you can see I've got around 130 hours in sm2.
Yours is quite locked down, hence I had to look at reviews.

Im not a fan of taa, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be, atleast from a sensible distance with a decent ppi where you cannot see individual pixels.

You are right, I'm 42, I play at 4k locked 120 these days.
My eyes aren't as good as they were when I was younger, but still don't need glasses and I both raced motorbikes and was on the pro scene on cod4 when I was younger, so my eyes are pretty solid, likely above average still if based on nothing more than at what speed you start to get tunnel vision at, but, that you sit so close you can see the individual pixels says it all.

Try sitting at arms length with a 1440p or 4k panel and half your issues will vanish, heck, even on your cheap 1080p panel stuff will appear better!
You are simply too close and at 1080p you are dropping the image to 720p before upscaling, no wonder that at 20cm it looks bad! It's not the tech with an issue, it's your posture and not using the hardware correctly.

may i ask why you think i have a 1080p screen? i have a 1440p one and a 1080p 144hz one
the issue is the same even on my dad's very expensive half tv half pc monitor screen which is 4k and 144hz for your information
and I'm not dropping the image to 720 at all because i don't like to use that stuff that ruins the image (for me)
i have a 9800X3D at 5.6ghz stable and the same GPU model as yours except i f'ed it a little bit but i don't think we need to talk on how i had pushed it to the max constantly and then it became unstable after just 2 years

[Monk]

Your supposed processor might get a few more max fps than my 13900k and soon to be 14900ks, shame you never get to see them, but you do see the notably worse 0.1% lows and stutters unlike me, which means I have a smoother experience if you want to get technical.

I've played plenty of games native I even drop to 1440p at times.

If I am a 'grabdpa' I'm guessing you get bought your hardware by your parents still, which is awesome, but a bad argument.

Have a nice day, your opinions are invalid though.

[Monk]

Most 1440p screens didn't come in 180Hz but a lot of 1080p did, no idea why you limit it to 165 though, still you are sitting too close even at 4k.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Monk:

Your supposed processor might get a few more max fps than my 13900k and soon to be 14900ks, shame you never get to see them, but you do see the notably worse 0.1% lows and stutters unlike me, which means I have a smoother experience if you want to get technical.

I've played plenty of games native I even drop to 1440p at times.

If I am a 'grabdpa' I'm guessing you get bought your hardware by your parents still, which is awesome, but a bad argument.

Have a nice day, your opinions are invalid though.

it has been proven quite a few times that the 9800X3D wipes the floor with the 14900ks
i don't get it why you don't buy the faster gaming CPU instead of that, i mean if you're into work stuff sure but then the 9950X3D will exist soon