DLSS 4 What does it mean for 20/30 series cards?

[Citizen Cook]

Nvidia 20 and 30 series cards will get new super resolution and ray reconstruction models while frame generation remains locked to 40/50 series cards.

As a 3080Ti owner, what improvements can i expect in my games?

[Citizen Cook]

Nguyên văn bởi C1REX:

Nguyên văn bởi Citizen Cook:

So i should expect clearer, crisper upscaling on my 30 series card?

Yes, because DLSS keeps slowly improving and works best when upscaling to 4K.
DLSS FG may also indirectly help making FSR frame generation better for rtx 20/30 owners. Lossless Scaling app already offers 4x frame generation with very good frame pacing and will also keep improving thanks to competition.

That’s pretty incredible because I think the visual quality of DLSS is already quite excellent.
It’ll be interesting to see what FSR 4 brings to the table. Of course that will be locked to the latest AMD cards.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

nothing.

for dlss just like upscaling is trash that you will always turn off and ai cores are useless additions to gpu's that you not need and take away from the vram and actual cuda cores you'd rather had.

but you can expect future games to be even more lazy and badly programmed (even more unoptimised) meaning that even with a 5090 with dlss and upscaling up they run at <30 fps..

it already is known that if you turn the crap ooff the 5000 series is only between 5 and 15% faster than the 4000 series. which is the only performance that counts in my book.

4090 performance on the 5070 my arse! if you turn all the upscaling and dlss off the 5070 barely gets 5% gains over the 4070s

[Lord Flashheart]

Presently I have and RTX 3080. It seems I could benefit from better upscaling quality , but no frame generation. We will see. If working well, could use a lower quality DLSS setting for similar results. Free performance if it works as expected. I will take that.

[Guydodge]

im guessing you will see some decent improvement probably more so on the upper
tier more powerful of the 3000 series cards.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3402864782

[Guydodge]

Nguyên văn bởi De Hollandse Ezel:

nothing.

for dlss just like upscaling is trash that you will always turn off and ai cores are useless additions to gpu's that you not need and take away from the vram and actual cuda cores you'd rather had.

but you can expect future games to be even more lazy and badly programmed (even more unoptimised) meaning that even with a 5090 with dlss and upscaling up they run at <30 fps..

it already is known that if you turn the crap ooff the 5000 series is only between 5 and 15% faster than the 4000 series. which is the only performance that counts in my book.

4090 performance on the 5070 my arse! if you turn all the upscaling and dlss off the 5070 barely gets 5% gains over the 4070s

i wouldnt call AI useless on a 1-1 frame gen the effect is minimal and can be used for lesser
cards even higher end to push the frame rate over that 60fps mark on those AAA that push
even the best of the best to there limits.i do how ever 100% agree that the 4-1 frame gen
is going to be a complete crap show.on a good note i hear you can adjust the level so maybe
a 2-1 ratio wont tank your controls to much,for me i play 99% shooter on hard most of time
so headshots are key so i dont use the AI at all but dlss on quality i do use to boost fps
levels i find it acceptable for game that implement it well.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Nguyên văn bởi Guydodge:

Nguyên văn bởi De Hollandse Ezel:

nothing.

for dlss just like upscaling is trash that you will always turn off and ai cores are useless additions to gpu's that you not need and take away from the vram and actual cuda cores you'd rather had.

but you can expect future games to be even more lazy and badly programmed (even more unoptimised) meaning that even with a 5090 with dlss and upscaling up they run at <30 fps..

it already is known that if you turn the crap ooff the 5000 series is only between 5 and 15% faster than the 4000 series. which is the only performance that counts in my book.

4090 performance on the 5070 my arse! if you turn all the upscaling and dlss off the 5070 barely gets 5% gains over the 4070s

i wouldnt call AI useless on a 1-1 frame gen the effect is minimal and can be used for lesser
cards even higher end to push the frame rate over that 60fps mark on those AAA that push
even the best of the best to there limits.i do how ever 100% agree that the 4-1 frame gen
is going to be a complete crap show.on a good note i hear you can adjust the level so maybe
a 2-1 ratio wont tank your controls to much,for me i play 99% shooter on hard most of time
so headshots are key so i dont use the AI at all but dlss on quality i do use to boost fps
levels i find it acceptable for game that implement it well.

those fake frames also have allowed game developers to become very sloppy with their design (look at how games look vs how they used to look a decade ago.)

also.. the issue is a lot of people use old hardware to long.. or play on a resolution they have no buisnuis playing..

-I pointed out that the only 4k monitor thats a real option costs 1800 euro and is only excists since just under 3 years.

if you can't afford that one you have no buisnuis playing 4k.

1440p on the other hand.. plenty of excelent 27 inch 1440p screens...

and if we look every card of 2080 (and up) 3060ti (and up) 4060 (and up)
can run 1440p 60 fps just fine without dlss or upscaling. at ultra settings
->
the 6700xt and up and the 7600xt and up can also.

granted there are some people still of cards like a 980ti, a 1080ti or 2070s.. which used to be 1440p cards in their day but are now no longer.
but thats presuming ultra settings.. by lowering the setting from ultra to medium or low.. you can still get 60fps in 1440p on more of the 2000 lineup and some of the 1000 series lineup.

for the cards below that.. well there is no valid reason to still be using stuff that old but most of that was made for 1080p back in the day anyway.. like if you got a 1660 that already was a budgetcard in it's day ment for 1080p
-> so reverting to 1080p is than your only option..

I guess upscaling thus only has a use for "filthy casuals" who did buy quite lowend cards back in the day and also have not upgraded in almost a decade..
which I not think is something pc gaming should cater to.
and if you talk third world nations.. who earn 10% of what we do.. who can't just easely but a 200-300 euro 2d hand card that outperforms that old card they got.. well those should not desire to play the latest games.
they play with yesterdays hardware and should likewise play yesterdays games on them

so I can see SOME niche cases where a person bought say a extreme budget 3060.. and now is no longer getting 60fps in 1440.. but the 5060 is not yet released... and while dlss could help them bridge those few months.. until they can buy a 5060.. I still think lowering the settings a little is the more rational solution.

if nvidea itself says 5070.. 4090 performance (with the 4090 the ONLY true 4k card out there until now).. while in fact the 5070 is actually only 5% faster than a 4060S which barely can pull 60fps in 4k and should be used as 1440p card if your rational anyway.

so in short
-nvidea is greedy here & dlss is useless
-there are users who play on resolutions they have no buisnuiss playing (often on screens to small to take even adventage of that resolution)
-there are users who refuse to lower settings when their hardware ages
-there are users who just have hardware thats antique and should have been replaced long ago.
-there are users who only have decade old hardware budget but don't do the rational thing and only stick to decade old games too.
+
there are some developers guilty in extreme lazy programming when their games run at 20fps with flss and upscaling off and ray tracing on in 4k. on a 4090 and with the same settings 26 fps on a 5090.. there is no excuse for releasing a game in SUCH an unoptimised state

[Citizen Cook]

Nguyên văn bởi Lord Flashheart:

Presently I have and RTX 3080. It seems I could benefit from better upscaling quality , but no frame generation. We will see. If working well, could use a lower quality DLSS setting for similar results. Free performance if it works as expected. I will take that.

Some games like Spiderman allow us to combine DLSS with FSR 3.1’s frame generation. There is input lag however.

[Tiberius]

nothing if the devs nvr bother to implement it

[Citizen Cook]

Nguyên văn bởi Tiberius:

nothing if the devs nvr bother to implement it

Of anything, it’s FSR 3.1 that doesn’t get implemented. Look at Indy: Microsoft took dirty money from
Nvidia to only include DLSS.