Core Ultra 5 245K and future B860

[Faberge]

Will this setup work together? I mean, this CPU has unlocked multiplier, but various sources claim there will be no CPU overclock for B860 motherboards, only RAM OC.

[_I_]

intels first gen ultras are higher clocked but do not have same ipc or ryzen or 14th gen i series

if its for gaming, look at the ryzen 5700x3d and board

overclocking on any cpu in the last 5-10 years has been near pointless
just get a good cooler and let it boost/turbo to what it can do on its own

intel b boards are mid grade, some good, some bad
if it has adequate vrm it can run the higher tdp cpus
but if its too weak, it will force throttling of the cpu before it can get warm

[Faberge]

I plan to use it with liquid cooling, so it is really important for me, if overclocking of K-series will be supported on b860 boards.

[_I_]

z boards can allow core overclocking
but again oc isnt really worth it

non z will only oc the cpus imc to run the ram at its xmp profile

as for water cooling, it really depends on the coolers rad size
120mm rad will not be much better than the stock cooler
240+ will be ok

but the b board depending on its design may not be able to give the cpu the power it needs to hold its highest turbo clocks at load, even if the cpu itself stays cool

[Monk]

I'd just avoid the core ultra line up this gen, go to ryzen, or look at second hand 12900k, 13th and 14th need you to lock clocks and voltages to ensure you won't burn the chip up, so a bit more risky buying second hand as you don't know if it's already deteriorated or not but you'll need a Z series mobo to overclock any of the Intel chips.

[gwwak]

Overclocking in the traditional sense is essentially dead these days with turbo algorithms or PBO in the case of AMD. Intel is on the backfoot at the moment, so they are essentially factory overclocked, perhaps too much due to the 13th and 14th gen instability issues seen, as they are struggling vs the competition.

If you are gaming primarily, look into the 9800X3D. They beat Intel's offerings, while being reasonably easy to cool. A budget dual tower air cooler like the Peerless Assassin 120 will easily do the job.

One of the biggest problems with Intel right now is that they are very power hungry and they are well past the power efficiency curve just to remain competitive performance wise. High power also means high heat, which means you need to spend big bucks on an AIO if you want the advertised performance. Sure an AMD chip may cost a bit more, but when you factor in the mandatory AIO cost for Intel, you may actually be better off cost wise with AMD and a budget air cooler.

[The_Abortionator]

It shocks me that anyone is buying Intel CPUs right now. Like, why?

[Monk]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The_Abortionator:

It shocks me that anyone is buying Intel CPUs right now. Like, why?

I went from my 13900k to a 14900ks over a 9800x3d as I hate dips abd stutters, which, as great as the new and chips, are, happen more often on that platform than Intel.

Plus, I know what I'm doing, like to tweak and can get close to the 9800x3d max fps (not that I care about it) without the o cassional dip.

For 99.9% of gamers AMD makes way more sense now, if you do production work, it depends on the program you use, some simply work better on Intel, then you have the niche users like me.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Monk:

Ursprungligen skrivet av The_Abortionator:

It shocks me that anyone is buying Intel CPUs right now. Like, why?

I went from my 13900k to a 14900ks over a 9800x3d as I hate dips abd stutters, which, as great as the new and chips, are, happen more often on that platform than Intel.

Plus, I know what I'm doing, like to tweak and can get close to the 9800x3d max fps (not that I care about it) without the o cassional dip.

For 99.9% of gamers AMD makes way more sense now, if you do production work, it depends on the program you use, some simply work better on Intel, then you have the niche users like me.

I love my 13900k, had it since launch with zero issues. I'm also still running on the old bios, no degradation it will not die.

[Monk]

As long as you know the basics, there is little risk on the 13th / 14th gen, if you don't lock stuff, sadly, it does seem to be when, not if something goes wrong, but I believe Intel is covering stuff under warranty.

Not me, I delid my chips so burn the warranty day 1 and hope I don't screwup.

[The_Abortionator]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Monk:

Ursprungligen skrivet av The_Abortionator:

It shocks me that anyone is buying Intel CPUs right now. Like, why?

I went from my 13900k to a 14900ks over a 9800x3d as I hate dips abd stutters, which, as great as the new and chips, are, happen more often on that platform than Intel.

Plus, I know what I'm doing, like to tweak and can get close to the 9800x3d max fps (not that I care about it) without the o cassional dip.

For 99.9% of gamers AMD makes way more sense now, if you do production work, it depends on the program you use, some simply work better on Intel, then you have the niche users like me.

Lol no, theres no magic dips on the 9800x3d, you just made that yup. Infact theres more dips and stutters on the 13th and 14th gen chips as games don't play nice with the ecores which is why people disable them.

And again you can't magically get 9800x3d performance from a 14900ks, thats not a thing.

[The_Abortionator]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Monk:

I went from my 13900k to a 14900ks over a 9800x3d as I hate dips abd stutters, which, as great as the new and chips, are, happen more often on that platform than Intel.

Plus, I know what I'm doing, like to tweak and can get close to the 9800x3d max fps (not that I care about it) without the o cassional dip.

For 99.9% of gamers AMD makes way more sense now, if you do production work, it depends on the program you use, some simply work better on Intel, then you have the niche users like me.

I love my 13900k, had it since launch with zero issues. I'm also still running on the old bios, no degradation it will not die.

You saying that doesn't change reality.

[tat]

if u really like intel, just buy 12900k

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Ursprungligen skrivet av The_Abortionator:

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I love my 13900k, had it since launch with zero issues. I'm also still running on the old bios, no degradation it will not die.

You saying that doesn't change reality.

Lol not trying to change reality but it is my experience

[Monk]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The_Abortionator:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Monk:

I went from my 13900k to a 14900ks over a 9800x3d as I hate dips abd stutters, which, as great as the new and chips, are, happen more often on that platform than Intel.

Plus, I know what I'm doing, like to tweak and can get close to the 9800x3d max fps (not that I care about it) without the o cassional dip.

For 99.9% of gamers AMD makes way more sense now, if you do production work, it depends on the program you use, some simply work better on Intel, then you have the niche users like me.

Lol no, theres no magic dips on the 9800x3d, you just made that yup. Infact theres more dips and stutters on the 13th and 14th gen chips as games don't play nice with the ecores which is why people disable them.

And again you can't magically get 9800x3d performance from a 14900ks, thats not a thing.

I didn't make it up though, 1% abd 0.1% lows are often lower than on Intel, it's far better now than it once was with earlier generations, but stutters still happen far more often on AMD.

As for 'magically' getting 9800x3d performance, it doesn't best out a 14900ks accross the board anyway.
It's max fps is very impressive, but it's lows are, as I've said, lower, so higher max and lower lows are more disruptive to game play, as for getting closer to the max fps, that is achieved through liberal use of over clocking, delidding / direct die and fast tuned memory, which, can be far faster than the 9800x3d supports.

However what I am most interested in is consistency so I'll take a bit less peak fps for more stability.

[Monk]

Not in the slightest, tuned abd properly setup the 0 and 0.1% lows are often not as bad, neither us the size or frequency of the dip.

As gir defects, again, properly setting it up avoids any such issues.

Stability, well, just look how many people gave issues with new games vs Intel.

Ive no use for e-cores so not an issue there.

Did you miss the part where I've mentioned that for 99% AMD is the better option?

For me, I want the higher memory speeds and more stable gameplay so I'll give up slightly higher max fps numbers, to achieve that I'll be on an apex encore with watercooled 8000MHz memory using a direct die 14900ks hooked up to a big custom loop, again, I am very aware that I am not the average person or setup here and dut very much in the enthusiast domain, but, for me, the 14900ks ticks the boxes I want over the 9800x3d and that is all that matters, I don't recommend the same chip to others or suggest anyone else do as I do, irs very expensive and very niche.

If you leave stuff stock and don't push your hardware to the limit, AMD still trades lows as to who has the best lows with Intel, though, no one should be buying a 14900ks and leaving it stock.

The AMDip is real, you not believing in it doesn't change anything.

Looking at your profile, just about everything you play fits within the cache of amd chips, so that is likely why you don't notice it, problems raise their ugly head when stuff doesn't.

Warzone is a prime example.

Anyway, you do you and I'll do me.