9800X3D vs ??????

[Pocahawtness]

I am looking to buy a new PC. AMD is something new to me, so I am very unfamiliar with what they do.

The 9800X3D seems like a good choice, but I am a little concerned that it's being over-hyped. It seems that it's an E-Sports CPU, and not necessarily for me. I'm not sure about other AMD processors though. I know very little about them.

What are your thoughts on this? Is the 9800X3D a no-brainer for gamers, or are they really just for the 1080P players?

[The_Abortionator]

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Lol, no. No you are not.

It's looking like I'm the only expert here so far.

https://novabench.com/results

These spergs are free to benchmark their systems and see how they compare.

You say that while repeatedly posting a synthetic benchmark that nobody cares about over and over again.

That alone speaks volumes.

[Komarimaru]

From what I've seen with same GPU of a 4090. At 1080p the 9800X3D is just faster than general than a 14900K. At 4k native, little to no difference in average FPS, and 1% lows are better on a 9800X3D.

Sometimes at 1080p, the 1% lows on a 9800X3D are higher than the average FPS of a 14900K.

Also, it should be noted, that Novabench only cares about how many cores are on a CPU, not the performance of said CPU. Why no one uses it for a true comparison of performance.

Personally since do work on my PC, going to try the 9950X3D. The 7950X3D wasn't as appealing, so will see how the 9950X3D handles games to workloads.

[Administration]

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Something misleading that gets repeated ad nauseam by everyone is that the x3d chips are good for everything. If everything fits inside the massive l3 cache then yes. If it doesn't you get last gen zen 4 performance.
This is why intel is king in 1% lows in many games except for racing games.

No matter which CPU you decide to buy in the end it's important to look at 1% lows since that's the most important metric to look at. Avg fps is meaningless if you dip to 10-20% of it in 1% lows.

Just do your own research and don't rely solely on this forum for information.

Yeah thats not whats being shown in benchmarks. You guys keep saying Intel is "king ins 1% lows" while the benchm,arks show Intel with LOWER 1% lows.

Where are you seeing this?

Every benchmark that I've seen and done myself shows the 14900K and 285K being far superior to the 9800X3D.

I know people with this CPU and they would agree with me that my system is way snappier and faster than theirs is in every conceivable way.

I've watched all the click bait YouTube videos stating the 9800X3D is the best and blah blah blah showing games I actually play and my frame rate is way higher than what their videos were showing.

Id bet they went into the power management settings and set the CPU to 95% for their Intel tests to dumb down it's performance so they can convince ppl to buy an inferior product.

I've tested everything from booting to loading games between Intel and AMD side by side and it's unmistakably clear Intel is the faster CPU.

Every game I tested side by side, I was always the highest and most stable even when comparing to these YouTube influencers.

[_I_]

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Lol, no. No you are not.

It's looking like I'm the only expert here so far.

https://novabench.com/results

These spergs are free to benchmark their systems and see how they compare.

and i assume the result shows the extreme oc'd cpu on ln2, that only one of millions of cpus could possible reach?

[A&A]

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Something misleading that gets repeated ad nauseam by everyone is that the x3d chips are good for everything. If everything fits inside the massive l3 cache then yes. If it doesn't you get last gen zen 4 performance.
This is why intel is king in 1% lows in many games except for racing games.

No matter which CPU you decide to buy in the end it's important to look at 1% lows since that's the most important metric to look at. Avg fps is meaningless if you dip to 10-20% of it in 1% lows.

Just do your own research and don't rely solely on this forum for information.

Even if it doesn't fit fully on the L3 cache, the memory controller will have to require less data from the RAM, which is still faster than the basic Zen 3/4/5 CPU.

[Monk]

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Where Intel beats AMD is when games don't fit in the cache, they swap ccu etc which leads to dips or stutters on the 1% and 0.1% lows, which tend to be a larger dip and more often than Intel experiences, the big problem is, these don't show up on graphs, but they do show up in actual gameplay if it's being benched like you actually play the game

Which is only possible on a CPU with multiple CCDs, which is... only the Ryzen 9 tier. So this doesn't come into effect on the 5800X3D, 7800X3D, or 9800X3D.

And this does show up in graphs (which often include 1% and/or 0.1% lows, you know), which is why the 7950X3D and especially the 7900X3D almost always show lower performance in lows and averages than the 7800X3D.

It doesn't show how often they happen and the drops when it doesn't fit in the cache affects the entire range.

[Monk]

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Something misleading that gets repeated ad nauseam by everyone is that the x3d chips are good for everything. If everything fits inside the massive l3 cache then yes. If it doesn't you get last gen zen 4 performance.
This is why intel is king in 1% lows in many games except for racing games.

No matter which CPU you decide to buy in the end it's important to look at 1% lows since that's the most important metric to look at. Avg fps is meaningless if you dip to 10-20% of it in 1% lows.

Just do your own research and don't rely solely on this forum for information.

Yeah thats not whats being shown in benchmarks. You guys keep saying Intel is "king ins 1% lows" while the benchm,arks show Intel with LOWER 1% lows.

Where are you seeing this?

The big problem with benchmark graphs is they don't show or tell you how often / frequently the drops happen, they just show the 1 number, not that it happens every 20 seconds or every 5 minutes etc which is where watching actual gameplay as a benchmark with all the data going by live is important and why you cannot just look at the final graph.

[The_Abortionator]

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Yeah thats not whats being shown in benchmarks. You guys keep saying Intel is "king ins 1% lows" while the benchm,arks show Intel with LOWER 1% lows.

Where are you seeing this?

The big problem with benchmark graphs is they don't show or tell you how often / frequently the drops happen, they just show the 1 number, not that it happens every 20 seconds or every 5 minutes etc which is where watching actual gameplay as a benchmark with all the data going by live is important and why you cannot just look at the final graph.

You again are ignoring benchmarks.

First off, yes the raw metrics of average, 1% lows, and 0.1% are impacted by how often those drops happen. Its LITERALLY MATH!

Second bencharkers show the frame time graphs, like the actual graphs. That means they are showing the very data you claim they aren't showing. It literally shows you the timing of EACH FRAME. So again LOOK AT THE BENCHMARKS!.

Its insane that you claim the x3d chips have some magical "AMDip" when in the very WORST case they'd be the same speed as their non 3xd versions which are already destroying Intel's entire line up.

There is no evidence WHAT SO EVER that what you are saying is anything more than gibberish.

[C1REX]

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There is no evidence WHAT SO EVER that what you are saying is anything more than gibberish.

I believe he refers to FrameChaser who compares very highly tuned 14900KS to 3D chips in some very specific scenarios - often unrealistic. His 14900KS runs on super expensive mobo and expensive RAM. Usually far away from stock experience and non golden bin won on silicon lottery vs stock 9800x3D that can run on a cheap mobo and cheap 6000 CL30 memory.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea I love when they try and make those claims; always using super expensive Intel board and RAM; but when they test the AMD chip, they just toss it into pretty much any board. Why? Because those YT idiots are all Intel fan boys and have no clue about AMD boards, what good RAM to use for those and such. It's a total misrepresentation when you do hap-hazard crap like that. It's like putting an i9 on a budget motherboard and then complaining and swearing up and down how poor of a performer and also choice that the i9 would be.

[C1REX]

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Yea I love when they try and make those claims; always using super expensive Intel board and RAM; but when they test the AMD chip, they just toss it into pretty much any board. Why? Because those YT idiots are all Intel fan boys and have no clue about AMD boards, what good RAM to use for those and such. It's a total misrepresentation when you do hap-hazard crap like that. It's like putting an i9 on a budget motherboard and then complaining and swearing up and down how poor of a performer and also choice that the i9 would be.

The thing with 3D chips is that it doesn’t need an expensive setup when 14900KS does. 14900KS requires a top end 2dimm overclocking motherboard. Top end, very specific RAM sticks. You probably need to pay somebody $500+ to tune it for you (FrameChaser sells such service) or spend few days doing it yourself. Intel requires a top end cooling when AMD runs fine on a cheap air cooling.
So you need to spend even few times more on Intel, disable ecores, turn your PC into a space heater and then you _may_ get few fps more in some ultra specific scenarios used by frame chaser to advertise his service. Assuming you even get a golden sample that can be tuned so well and won’t randomly degrade.

I prefer Hardware Unboxed and Gamer’s Nexus approach showing more realistic scenarios and results. Not Frame Chaser’s setup that costs an additional $500-$1000 that could be spent on a better GPU.
But you have to compete.

[The_Abortionator]

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There is no evidence WHAT SO EVER that what you are saying is anything more than gibberish.

I believe he refers to FrameChaser who compares very highly tuned 14900KS to 3D chips in some very specific scenarios - often unrealistic. His 14900KS runs on super expensive mobo and expensive RAM. Usually far away from stock experience and non golden bin won on silicon lottery vs stock 9800x3D that can run on a cheap mobo and cheap 6000 CL30 memory.

Imparting emotions into a test to try and sway the results invalidates it so my point stands, that guy has some issues.

[A&A]

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There is no evidence WHAT SO EVER that what you are saying is anything more than gibberish.

I believe he refers to FrameChaser who compares very highly tuned 14900KS to 3D chips in some very specific scenarios - often unrealistic. His 14900KS runs on super expensive mobo and expensive RAM. Usually far away from stock experience and non golden bin won on silicon lottery vs stock 9800x3D that can run on a cheap mobo and cheap 6000 CL30 memory.

Yes, he was referring to the Ryzen 7 9800X3D review where he mentions that in the desktop experience feels like an i7 4790K and he took some games where he loaded in imidiatly or when the game needs to load a new chunk/sector and then he compared the i9 14900KS to this Ryzen on how long it would take the game to stabilize and surely two brain cells are not enough to point out that running a playable game and managing the memory at the same time is just harder for AMD, but after a such moment it's fine in the most part.

[PopinFRESH]

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...Ryzen 9 9800X3D...

Ryzen 7 9800X3D.

[A&A]

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...Ryzen 9 9800X3D...

Ryzen 7 9800X3D.

My bad
tnx for pointing it out.