9800X3D vs ?????? :: Hardware and Operating Systems

xDDD Jan 5 @ 1:17pm

Wowie! So you're saying I can get a 5-10% better CPU for only $150-300 more and 2x the TDP wattage?

The 9700x is perfectly sufficient. The 9800x3D is the best in the market but, as is always the case for the best in the market, you are getting massively diminishing returns. 220fps vs 245 fps at 1080p doesn't matter at all when you are gaming at 120hz on a 1440p/4k monitor.
Yes it's a good way to measure CPU performance objectively but it really isn't that reflective on what you'll actually experience. People don't buy high-end gaming rigs with $500 CPUs to play games at 1080p on low graphics, aside from maybe a tiny minority of esports gamers or something.

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󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei Jan 5 @ 2:27pm

Originally posted by smokerob79:
Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
the 9800X3D has no competition
the 7800X3D was winning 80% of the time against the crappy 14900ks, the 9800X3D completely burried it especially when you can OC it to 5.6ghz from the standard 5.4 or 5.2 stock
there's a pretty funny video of a guy coping about it, his channel is called framechasers, he's a very delusional br*tish youtuber who overclocked his 14900ks to the max with extreme cooling but left the 9800X3D at stock settings with very bad cooling and low memory speed as well, some people just cry behind the scenes.

edit: i would like to add that the 8 core 7700X and 9700X are completely utter garbage and useless now since the 9800X3D exists and can do everything those do but better

this is the lies that need to stop.....the 9700x beats the 9800x3d in many tasks.....X3D is gaming....the rest of the stack already competes without it.....

real world if you want to do anything out side of gaming you should NOT get a X3D chip regardless of generation

do your own geekbench score before you call me a liar, 9700x on geekbench6 gets 16k multi score while my 9800X3D gets 20k and something and 3.5k in single, you are completely delusional lmao, you need to go do actual real world researching before coming here to spill nonsense, just search
https://browser.geekbench.com/search?q=AMD+Ryzen+7+9700X
https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=AMD+Ryzen+7+9800X3D+
the 9700x gets obliterated because it is BAD compared to the superior 9800X3D,

Originally posted by Monk:
Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
the 9800X3D has no competition
the 7800X3D was winning 80% of the time against the crappy 14900ks, the 9800X3D completely burried it especially when you can OC it to 5.6ghz from the standard 5.4 or 5.2 stock
there's a pretty funny video of a guy coping about it, his channel is called framechasers, he's a very delusional br*tish youtuber who overclocked his 14900ks to the max with extreme cooling but left the 9800X3D at stock settings with very bad cooling and low memory speed as well, some people just cry behind the scenes.

edit: i would like to add that the 8 core 7700X and 9700X are completely utter garbage and useless now since the 9800X3D exists and can do everything those do but better

He's Canadian, not British and tends to push both systems to the limit, amd simply cannot use as fast memory, as for cooling, if there is no need gir extreme cooling, why waste time using it, that AMD didn't need it is a plus not a negative, Intel, especially pushed to the limit needs extreme cooling, and has lower limits for its great performance so does not.

As for which chip to get, AMD will be the easier and faster option for the vast majority of people now, with the only downside being lower 0.1% lows or 'dips' when the fame doesn't fit in the chips cache.

As for Intel, you need to tune the system to get the best out of it, they are below the peak fps of AMD now but tend to have higher lows, so if you know what you are doing, you can get a better average experience with them, but, it will take time and money to do so, only really worth it if you tend to notice stutters happening.

You'll also have to go into the bios and lock voltages / clocks on Intel 13/14th gen chips so they don't kill themselves.

The new intel 'core ultra' chips seem a bit of a let down tbh (who'd of guessed a new architecture would have issues....)

5.5ghz "limit" with a crappy cooler sure also the "lows" have been proven many times that the 9800X3D is better in them

Last edited by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei; Jan 5 @ 2:51pm

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Guydodge Jan 5 @ 3:09pm

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
the 9800X3D has no competition
the 7800X3D was winning 80% of the time against the crappy 14900ks, the 9800X3D completely burried it especially when you can OC it to 5.6ghz from the standard 5.4 or 5.2 stock
there's a pretty funny video of a guy coping about it, his channel is called framechasers, he's a very delusional br*tish youtuber who overclocked his 14900ks to the max with extreme cooling but left the 9800X3D at stock settings with very bad cooling and low memory speed as well, some people just cry behind the scenes.

edit: i would like to add that the 8 core 7700X and 9700X are completely utter garbage and useless now since the 9800X3D exists and can do everything those do but better

lmao buried it in what an idiot youtuber running it in 1080p.anyone running a high end gpu in 1440 or 4k are going to get very close to identical results other than being game specific that will run better on one verses the other.dont be a sheep and fall for the nonsense ..jeez
everyone with a top tier cpu is gpu bound at this point

and just like to know how many out there built a high end system to run 1080p

Last edited by Guydodge; Jan 5 @ 3:11pm

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󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei Jan 5 @ 3:14pm

Originally posted by Guydodge:
Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
the 9800X3D has no competition
the 7800X3D was winning 80% of the time against the crappy 14900ks, the 9800X3D completely burried it especially when you can OC it to 5.6ghz from the standard 5.4 or 5.2 stock
there's a pretty funny video of a guy coping about it, his channel is called framechasers, he's a very delusional br*tish youtuber who overclocked his 14900ks to the max with extreme cooling but left the 9800X3D at stock settings with very bad cooling and low memory speed as well, some people just cry behind the scenes.

edit: i would like to add that the 8 core 7700X and 9700X are completely utter garbage and useless now since the 9800X3D exists and can do everything those do but better
lmao buried it in what an idiot youtuber running it in 1080p.anyone running a high end gpu in 1440 or 4k are going to get very close to identical results other than being game specific that will run better on one verses the other.dont be a sheep and fall for the nonsense ..jeez

and just like to know how many out there built a high end system to run 1080p :DE_Grin:

the 9800X3D is better than anything intel currently offers for gaming also 1080p tests are completely CPU bound and that's the point of comparing which CPU is faster in gaming, 1440p is in between where the 9800X3D still wins as expected, and lastly 4k is completely GPU bound which is expected but who even really plays 4k? with those unoptimized games nowdays that can't even run smooth while they look like crap, example stinkler 2
my main monitor is a 180hz 1440p but i have set it at 165hz, my second one is my older 1080p 144hz one which i absolutely refuse to throw or sell

Last edited by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei; Jan 5 @ 3:14pm

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Guydodge Jan 5 @ 3:25pm

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
Originally posted by Guydodge:
lmao buried it in what an idiot youtuber running it in 1080p.anyone running a high end gpu in 1440 or 4k are going to get very close to identical results other than being game specific that will run better on one verses the other.dont be a sheep and fall for the nonsense ..jeez

and just like to know how many out there built a high end system to run 1080p
the 9800X3D is better than anything intel currently offers for gaming also 1080p tests are completely CPU bound and that's the point of comparing which CPU is faster in gaming, 1440p is in between where the 9800X3D still wins as expected, and lastly 4k is completely GPU bound which is expected but who even really plays 4k? with those unoptimized games nowdays that can't even run smooth while they look like crap, example stinkler 2
my main monitor is a 180hz 1440p but i have set it at 165hz, my second one is my older 1080p 144hz one which i absolutely refuse to throw or sell

again the 1080 results mean nothing and both the 14900k and the 9800 are very capaable of overclocking.my 4k is pretty sweet im guessing you dont have a high end cpu/gpu or are not aware how to use them.and any time your ready i'll stream stalker 2 for you show you epic
settings and you can watch smooth buttery gameplay at 100+ fps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLo-TTWXY54

Last edited by Guydodge; Jan 5 @ 3:34pm

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󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei Jan 5 @ 3:33pm

Originally posted by Guydodge:
Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
the 9800X3D is better than anything intel currently offers for gaming also 1080p tests are completely CPU bound and that's the point of comparing which CPU is faster in gaming, 1440p is in between where the 9800X3D still wins as expected, and lastly 4k is completely GPU bound which is expected but who even really plays 4k? with those unoptimized games nowdays that can't even run smooth while they look like crap, example stinkler 2
my main monitor is a 180hz 1440p but i have set it at 165hz, my second one is my older 1080p 144hz one which i absolutely refuse to throw or sell
again the 1080 results mean nothing and both the 14900k and the 9800 are very capaable of overclocking.my 4k is pretty sweet im guessing you dont have a high end cpu/gpu or are not aware how to use them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLo-TTWXY54

i use the highest end hardware available because i upgrade every generation
9800X3D/4090
waiting for the 5090 because i dislike the performance that the 4090 gives

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Guydodge Jan 5 @ 3:36pm

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
Originally posted by Guydodge:
again the 1080 results mean nothing and both the 14900k and the 9800 are very capaable of overclocking.my 4k is pretty sweet im guessing you dont have a high end cpu/gpu or are not aware how to use them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLo-TTWXY54
i use the highest end hardware available because i upgrade every generation
9800X3D/4090
waiting for the 5090 because i dislike the performance that the 4090 gives

well then you need help with setting it up my 14990k and 4090 oc edition will run stalker 2 epic settings 100+fps looks great to.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391677046

Last edited by Guydodge; Jan 5 @ 3:38pm

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󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei Jan 5 @ 3:38pm

Originally posted by Guydodge:
Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:
i use the highest end hardware available because i upgrade every generation
9800X3D/4090
waiting for the 5090 because i dislike the performance that the 4090 gives
well then you need help with setting it up my 14990k and 4090 oc edition will run stalker 2 epic settings 100+fps looks great to.

we don't have the same standards, i prefer to match my refresh rate and have higher than it to make sure itll never drop anywhere close to it before locking it
i prefer smoothness
anything under 144 for me feels odd

edit: my current 4090 that shat itself after pushing it to the limit constantly instead of leaving it with a tiny bit of headroom
i used to have my core clock at
+230(literally the limit as anything above it would crash games) to get it to 2905mhz but mostly went to 2880 after going above 60°c
I'm forced to use the pathetic lower +160 clock now for something 2.8ghz at low temps and 2.7 during heavy games when it gets a little bit hotter, my power limit is 111 max and i do have the VRAM at +500(could push it further but i am selling this piece of garbage so I'm not gonna ruin it more)

best part is i only had this card for just 2 years, i could have left it at the most stable +215 for the core clock but noo i had to get those extra 3 fps

edit 2: i can get +180 max clock before it starts showing errors in OCCT but i don't think ill bring it there to the absolute limit again, maybe 170?

Last edited by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei; Jan 5 @ 3:50pm

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Monk Jan 5 @ 4:35pm

This is where watercooling steps in, 3120 MHz max on my 4090 though I run it between base of 2880 to 3100 depending on the game and if it needs aittle extra or not and tends to sit below 50c.
4k raytracing with 120 fps locked tends to be my target.

Just waiting on the 5090 now also.

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smokerob79 Jan 5 @ 5:09pm

Originally posted by r.linder:
Originally posted by smokerob79:

this is the lies that need to stop.....the 9700x beats the 9800x3d in many tasks.....X3D is gaming....the rest of the stack already competes without it.....

real world if you want to do anything out side of gaming you should NOT get a X3D chip regardless of generation
Wrong, the 9800X3D is consistently faster than the 9700X for non-gaming workloads, it's consistently comparable to the 7900X and 9900X in productivity, video editing, etc.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/27.html

Without even taking other OC settings into account, it's almost 10% faster in applications than the 9700X. Users who want to take risks with overclocking can push it even further.

For users who are doing gaming but also using their machine for other applications, it's a good choice, users that need more cores may as well wait for the 9900X3D and 9950X3D because they'll get more performance in the latter, potentially without any loss in gaming performance, and rumors have suggested that the 9950X3D might even be faster as a gaming chip than the 9800X3D, which we'll have to believe once we see it, otherwise they'll just be similar.

cool techpowerup like we listen to them.....did you even see the hardware unboxed videos.....guess not....

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Monk Jan 5 @ 5:21pm

Originally posted by smokerob79:
Originally posted by r.linder:
Wrong, the 9800X3D is consistently faster than the 9700X for non-gaming workloads, it's consistently comparable to the 7900X and 9900X in productivity, video editing, etc.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/27.html

Without even taking other OC settings into account, it's almost 10% faster in applications than the 9700X. Users who want to take risks with overclocking can push it even further.

For users who are doing gaming but also using their machine for other applications, it's a good choice, users that need more cores may as well wait for the 9900X3D and 9950X3D because they'll get more performance in the latter, potentially without any loss in gaming performance, and rumors have suggested that the 9950X3D might even be faster as a gaming chip than the 9800X3D, which we'll have to believe once we see it, otherwise they'll just be similar.

cool techpowerup like we listen to them.....did you even see the hardware unboxed videos.....guess not....

Never ever quote hwu if you want to win a technicle argument, the guys an idiot and couldn't benchmark anything accuretly to save his life, I mean he proudly proclaimed an update hot him like 35% more performance before he was called out girflawed testing (again).

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Administration Jan 18 @ 9:40am

Originally posted by Pocahawtness:
I am looking to buy a new PC. AMD is something new to me, so I am very unfamiliar with what they do.

The 9800X3D seems like a good choice, but I am a little concerned that it's being over-hyped. It seems that it's an E-Sports CPU, and not necessarily for me. I'm not sure about other AMD processors though. I know very little about them.

What are your thoughts on this? Is the 9800X3D a no-brainer for gamers, or are they really just for the 1080P players?

The 14900K + 4090/5090 is the best all rounder.

The 14900K has a massively higher gflop score compared to the 9800x3d making the 14900K the best dedicated CPU out of the 2 in raw performance.

4K GPU bound games wont care if you're using a 14900K or the 9800X3D because the performance will be handled by the dedicated GPU you're using; the performance will be the same.

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gwwak Jan 18 @ 2:13pm

Originally posted by Administration:
Originally posted by Pocahawtness:
I am looking to buy a new PC. AMD is something new to me, so I am very unfamiliar with what they do.

The 9800X3D seems like a good choice, but I am a little concerned that it's being over-hyped. It seems that it's an E-Sports CPU, and not necessarily for me. I'm not sure about other AMD processors though. I know very little about them.

What are your thoughts on this? Is the 9800X3D a no-brainer for gamers, or are they really just for the 1080P players?

The 14900K + 4090/5090 is the best all rounder.

The 14900K has a massively higher gflop score compared to the 9800x3d making the 14900K the best dedicated CPU out of the 2 in raw performance.

4K GPU bound games wont care if you're using a 14900K or the 9800X3D because the performance will be handled by the dedicated GPU you're using; the performance will be the same.

If you want a good all rounder CPU, it is probably better to wait for the 9950X3D, or at least see the benchmarks. It will likely run much cooler, so you can save money on the cooling as a 360 AIO isn't mandatory. 14900k is also on a dead platform, and AM5 likely has at least 1 more generation to support.

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C1REX Jan 18 @ 2:25pm

Originally posted by Administration:
The 14900K + 4090/5090 is the best all rounder.

It's an amazing CPU but do you feel confident recommending it to strangers knowing about the degradation scandal?
And yes, I'm aware that we've got a BIOS update but Intel released few such "final for sure this time" updates fixing the problem.

The most convincing fix I've seen is to manually disable e-cores and lock boost clock for remaining 8 p-cores to prevent voltage spikes. But then it's an amazing 8-core gaming CPU and not an all rounder. All this assuming the OP wins the silicon lottery and knows how to tune his CPU and RAM when AMD cpus are just plug and play that works great on cheap motherboards with cheap ddr5 6000 cl30 and cheap air coolers.

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Lixire Jan 18 @ 2:26pm

for gaming, the 9800X3D is objectively the best CPU for that purpose. that extra cache is very handy as the game can keep more of its things that need to be access repeatedly on the CPU itself rather than constantly going back to the much slower RAM (much lower bandwidth + much higher latency)
Those differences also show up in non esports titles as well

If you aim at productivity like code compilation or video editing then you may want to aim at the 9950X and the like

if you want a budget CPU for a gaming build? 7500F

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