4080 vs 5070 ti :: Hardware and Operating Systems

Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 8:37am

Originally posted by smokerob79:
Originally posted by Soulreaver:

My research shows its often on the same level as a 4080 and with DLSS applied even 5-10% faster than a 4080. It also seems to have decent OC headroom of ~10% So this could in a best case scenario combined with the faster memory lead to a close to 4090 experience.

Or atleast way closer than with my 4080 and I could even safe a 100€.

Maybe my research, math, or approach is flawed but to me it seems to be a good deal even if I halfed every percentage gain.

do more research......Gamer Nexus just did the full review and shows the 5070ti is BEHIND a 4080 is a lot of games.....real world you would just be trading in your old 4080 for a new 4080.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhtVic3Vm0Y

Okay sorry but this answer makes me realy mad.

This exact video is the video I chose my numbers from when engaging with r.linder...

So you say I should not take the 100€ I would safe from switching, I should not go with the better RT and DLSS that I like so much, I should not take MFG if I can have it?

WHY? What research am I missing in my evaluation?

Last edited by Soulreaver; Feb 21 @ 8:39am

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Phénomènes Mystiques Feb 21 @ 8:42am

Wait until the 6090Ti or those new AMD mad machines.

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r.linder Feb 21 @ 8:47am

Originally posted by Soulreaver:
Originally posted by smokerob79:

do more research......Gamer Nexus just did the full review and shows the 5070ti is BEHIND a 4080 is a lot of games.....real world you would just be trading in your old 4080 for a new 4080.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhtVic3Vm0Y

Okay sorry but this answer makes me realy mad.

This exact video is the video I chose my numbers from when engaging with r.linder...

So you say I should not take the 100€ I would safe from switching, I should not go with the better RT and DLSS that I like so much, I should not take MFG if I can have it?

WHY? What research am I missing in my evaluation?

Because it's plain stupid to get a 5070 Ti when you could just keep the 4080 or wait until 5080 prices are better.

This generation being at launch also is very likely to continue having hardware issues that could show up later, the 5070 Ti you end up with could damn well turn up faulty, die, etc.

MFG basically also requires Reflex 2 + Boost to not have garbage latency, and even though the driver has overrides on Windows, it doesn't mean it's just going to work well at all on games that haven't officially supported it and made adjustments to improve results. It's not worth taking risks on AND taking a slight downgrade, just get a better GPU that can actually handle the resolution WITHOUT AI.

Last edited by r.linder; Feb 21 @ 8:50am

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Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 8:58am

Originally posted by WinterSorrow:
Wait until the 6090Ti or those new AMD mad machines. :csd2smile:

Yeah according to those internet heroes here probably the best idea.

Just repeating what they heard somewhere to seem knowledgeable without the ability to think or apply.

Makes me almost feel similarly dumb to doubt my own conclusion in the attempt to find a blindspot I didn't take into account.

Originally posted by r.linder:
Originally posted by Soulreaver:

Okay sorry but this answer makes me realy mad.

This exact video is the video I chose my numbers from when engaging with r.linder...

So you say I should not take the 100€ I would safe from switching, I should not go with the better RT and DLSS that I like so much, I should not take MFG if I can have it?

WHY? What research am I missing in my evaluation?
Because it's plain stupid to get a 5070 Ti when you could just keep the 4080 or wait until 5080 prices are better.

This generation being at launch also is very likely to continue having hardware issues that could show up later, the 5070 Ti you end up with could damn well turn up faulty, die, etc.

Yeah, was too generious in my good faith in you.
Stay in your believe I act plain stupid. I now hoped for a more reflected response as you are the person who told me to look how bad the 5070 ti performs compared to the 4080 just to find out that even in the exact video you wanted me to look at they show both are pretty much on par at 4k...

Last edited by Soulreaver; Feb 21 @ 9:03am

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r.linder Feb 21 @ 10:12am

Originally posted by Soulreaver:
Originally posted by WinterSorrow:
Wait until the 6090Ti or those new AMD mad machines. :csd2smile:

Yeah according to those internet heroes here probably the best idea.

Just repeating what they heard somewhere to seem knowledgeable without the ability to think or apply.

Makes me almost feel similarly dumb to doubt my own conclusion in the attempt to find a blindspot I didn't take into account.

Originally posted by r.linder:
Because it's plain stupid to get a 5070 Ti when you could just keep the 4080 or wait until 5080 prices are better.

This generation being at launch also is very likely to continue having hardware issues that could show up later, the 5070 Ti you end up with could damn well turn up faulty, die, etc.

Yeah, was too generious in my good faith in you.
Stay in your believe I act plain stupid. I now hoped for a more reflected response as you are the person who told me to look how bad the 5070 ti performs compared to the 4080 just to find out that even in the exact video you wanted me to look at they show both are pretty much on par at 4k...

It's stupid because there's no deep thought behind it, you're banking on a new feature that still has a ton of issues, MFG might get more performance but more often than not it looks even worse than DLSS 3, more-so whenever the image is in motion. It's going to take several iterations for DLSS Frame Generation to truly be great, and by then, they're going to have some new features and things that a 5070 Ti isn't going to support anyway and you're going to end up replacing it due to its performance being not very good by then at 2160p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nfEkuqNX4k

And the problems can only get worse with the driver override for games that don't natively support frame generation, it makes more sense to get a higher end card that already brings higher performance than to take stupid risks early adopting a new generation which can very well end up badly. Or do the sensible thing and keep using what you already have, because there's nothing wrong with it and doesn't tell NVIDIA point blank that they can build what's effectively a 4070 Ti Super refresh, for more money, and people will still buy it.

You're not selling your GPU and getting more performance, you're selling your GPU and getting very slightly less performance. FG doesn't add performance, it just adds extra frames while not actually improving frame times at all, and needs a lot of work to keep frame pacing more consistent with native, and more often than not looks like garbage. That's counterproductive to the whole freaking point of 2160p.

SFG has less of a visual 'hit' and would still allow the 4080 to get 100 FPS at 2160p easily, I don't see the point of buying Jensen another jacket.

Last edited by r.linder; Feb 21 @ 10:17am

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404NotFound Feb 21 @ 10:37am

Originally posted by Soulreaver:
Hey guys,

I could buy a 5070 ti for ~100€ cheaper than I could sell my used 4080.
So this is a side/upgrade I realy consider. I play at 4k.

Would the additional multi framegen and faster memory be worth it?

I actually think it should make sense.
Safe money and in most instances where it matters get more performance.

I'm one of these dumb dumbs who actually enjoys most nvidia features at a certain time, when it got finetuned a bit.

Full PC specs?

Last edited by 404NotFound; Feb 21 @ 10:39am

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Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 10:41am

Originally posted by 404NotFound:
Full PC specs?

Originally posted by Soulreaver:
Hey guys,

I could buy a 5070 ti for ~100€ cheaper than I could sell my used 4080.
So this is a side/upgrade I realy consider. I play at 4k.

Would the additional multi framegen and faster memory be worth it?

I actually think it should make sense.
Safe money and in most instances where it matters get more performance.

I'm one of these dumb dumbs who actually enjoys most nvidia features at a certain time, when it got finetuned a bit.
Full PC specs?

12900k, z690, 32DDR5, 1000W

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Skkooomer Lord Feb 21 @ 10:42am

You would be served fine by a HD 5870 for your next Skyrim run.

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Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 10:44am

Originally posted by Skkooomer Lord:
You would be served fine by a HD 5870 for your next Skyrim run.

Actually made me chuckle :D

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404NotFound Feb 21 @ 10:49am

buy it and test it out, if your not happy return it and keep the 4080

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Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 11:02am

Originally posted by 404NotFound:
buy it and test it out, if your not happy return it and keep the 4080

Yes, thats the plan now. Bought it an hour ago. :)

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Troll Feb 21 @ 11:07am

Originally posted by Soulreaver:
Originally posted by 404NotFound:
buy it and test it out, if your not happy return it and keep the 4080
Yes, thats the plan now. Bought it an hour ago. :)

I'm not in the market for anything below an 80 but I will be curious to know what you think once you've thoroughly tested it out.

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Iggy Wolf Feb 21 @ 11:16am

FOMO again? Doesn't seem smart to trade up for a card a tier below yours just because it's a new gen. MFG isn't really a "selling point". Certainly not for the same amount that the 4080 Super would have cost the last gen.

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Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 11:18am

Originally posted by Troll:
Originally posted by Soulreaver:
Yes, thats the plan now. Bought it an hour ago. :)
I'm not in the market for anything below an 80 but I will be curious to know what you think once you've thoroughly tested it out.

Yeah me neither. It's just this very unique situation thats happening right now combined with my very specific preferences.

Thats why I want to act and decide quickly because I can't imagine you can sell used 4080s for 1000€+ for long.

Last edited by Soulreaver; Feb 21 @ 11:20am

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Soulreaver Feb 21 @ 11:21am

Originally posted by Iggy Wolf:
FOMO again? Doesn't seem smart to trade up for a card a tier below yours just because it's a new gen. MFG isn't really a "selling point". Certainly not for the same amount that the 4080 Super would have cost the last gen.

Sorry I won't engage with you. You didn't read or understand my post.

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