Question: RTX 3090 or RTX 5070
Hello lads,

currently I'm still on an EVGA RTX 3070. But I really want to upgrade my GPU the next couple weeks. I intentionally skipped the RTX 40 series.

The RTX 5070 is launching on March, 5th for 549$ (the Founders Edition that is, custom models are going to be more expensive of course.)

The secondhand RTX 3090 would cost me 700$ ~ 800$.


Now my question: Would you guys rather buy a secondhand RTX 3090 now or wait and buy a RTX 5070 (whether a FE or a custom model) ?
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Ariortega; 18. Feb. um 22:29
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von karmazyn1:
Get 1. 5080 - wait 5-10 weeks and you will see more of these. do not buy if price is still crazy high
Get 5070TI ONLY if price is close to suggested retail price.
Dont settle for less.

what about an RTX 4080 Super, if I can get it around 1000$ ? I found one, second-hand, BUT:
The owner bought it 2 months ago but has gotten his fingers on a RTX 5080, so now he's selling his 4080 Super. He claims it's barely used and in tip-top condition.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von karmazyn1:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von ragnarok:

Yeah but right now all that's available are the overinflated prices on amazon
Yes. Please be patient. You can pre order 5070TI on Scan. You could get one early in March. I am thinking about cancelling my 5090 pre order and getting 5070TI instead. I am upgrading from 3080.

I hope you're right. Usually I tend to use the GPU until a game comes out that pushes it to the max limits. Right now I'm still using the 1080, so it's doesn't even have rtx. But as Doom the Dark Ages requires a card that supports rtx, I have no choice but to upgrade.

My hope is by the end of April things will improve.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von ragnarok:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von WinterSorrow:
Idk but for me, I cannot go with "second-hand" because of the way people treat their gear (PC components). :badluck:

Musical instruments are fine as professionals take care of their gear, but average PC users do some questionable things to their PC hardware, including but not limited to; thermal repasting of a brand new GPU without heat spikes/shutdown or other issues.

I repasted my GPU and it functioned just fine for the next 25 months....
What happened after the 2 years? Did it die? Did you re-paste it right when you got it on day 1 or after some longer period of time?

I'm pretty sure WinterSorrow's post is referencing a somewhat recent post on here where a user got a brand-new card, attempted to re-paste it for no reason, and ended up damaging the card.

However, beyond that concern as an example, I'd also consider more specifically for the 30-series the likely hood that they may have been used for crypto mining and the memory may be heavily degraded. I certainly wouldn't be spending $700+ on a used 3090.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ariortega:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von karmazyn1:
Get 1. 5080 - wait 5-10 weeks and you will see more of these. do not buy if price is still crazy high
Get 5070TI ONLY if price is close to suggested retail price.
Dont settle for less.

what about an RTX 4080 Super, if I can get it around 1000$ ? I found one, second-hand, BUT:
The owner bought it 2 months ago but has gotten his fingers on a RTX 5080, so now he's selling his 4080 Super. He claims it's barely used and in tip-top condition.
I was thinking about buying 4080 super myself. However I decided to stick with 5 series and I decided not to buy 2nd hand GPU. If what the seller is saying is truth, it might be worth it. I would stick with 5070TI or 5080.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von PopinFRESH:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von ragnarok:

I repasted my GPU and it functioned just fine for the next 25 months....
What happened after the 2 years? Did it die? Did you re-paste it right when you got it on day 1 or after some longer period of time?

I'm pretty sure WinterSorrow's post is referencing a somewhat recent post on here where a user got a brand-new card, attempted to re-paste it for no reason, and ended up damaging the card.

However, beyond that concern as an example, I'd also consider more specifically for the 30-series the likely hood that they may have been used for crypto mining and the memory may be heavily degraded. I certainly wouldn't be spending $700+ on a used 3090.

After 2 years the paste began to fail and I had to repaste it again, nothing new.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ariortega:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von karmazyn1:
Get 1. 5080 - wait 5-10 weeks and you will see more of these. do not buy if price is still crazy high
Get 5070TI ONLY if price is close to suggested retail price.
Dont settle for less.

what about an RTX 4080 Super, if I can get it around 1000$ ? I found one, second-hand, BUT:
The owner bought it 2 months ago but has gotten his fingers on a RTX 5080, so now he's selling his 4080 Super. He claims it's barely used and in tip-top condition.
Personally I wouldn't pay the same price as what a new-in-box current generation goes for when getting a used previous generation.

Let them eat the loss of buying a card at the end-of-life right before new cards are launched. If they aren't selling it for around a 20-30% discount for a used last-gen card then they are ripping you off. Why would you pay the MSRP for a used card from the last generation?

If you're willing to spend around $1000 for a used 4080 Super, then just keep an eye on the stock and try to buy a 5080 FE from a legitimate retailer when it is available for MSRP (e.g. $1000).
Ursprünglich geschrieben von PopinFRESH:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ariortega:

what about an RTX 4080 Super, if I can get it around 1000$ ? I found one, second-hand, BUT:
The owner bought it 2 months ago but has gotten his fingers on a RTX 5080, so now he's selling his 4080 Super. He claims it's barely used and in tip-top condition.
Personally I wouldn't pay the same price as what a new-in-box current generation goes for when getting a used previous generation.

Let them eat the loss of buying a card at the end-of-life right before new cards are launched. If they aren't selling it for around a 20-30% discount for a used last-gen card then they are ripping you off. Why would you pay the MSRP for a used card from the last generation?

If you're willing to spend around $1000 for a used 4080 Super, then just keep an eye on the stock and try to buy a 5080 FE from a legitimate retailer when it is available for MSRP (e.g. $1000).


The thing is: I want to get a "new" GPU very soon, don't want to wait any longer, because honestly: nobody knows exactly if the current situation is ever going to change and IF it changes, it's most likely for the worse. Hardly believe the gpu market situation is going normalize again.

(Just look at the GPU price evolution from the Pascal generation until now...it's madness).

And I want to buy a real, significant upgrade to my RTX 3070.
That's why - even though I skipped the 40 generation - I now consider getting a 4080 Super, if it's in a really good condition.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ariortega:
And I want to buy a real, significant upgrade to my RTX 3070.
That's why - even though I skipped the 40 generation - I now consider getting a 4080 Super, if it's in a really good condition.

The problem on going on the bleeding edge is that now and then the edge going to bleed it's the yours... :steamsad:

It may or may not bite you depending on what you plan to do with the GPU - for me, the RTX 50 series is currently out of question, as I'm still a heavy 32 bits player and unless someone write a 32bits wrap for 64 bits PhysX (assuming it would be possible, of course) line WINE or Proton (man, running WINE on Windows to run Windows applications would be... ironic, to say the least), this GPU will not fit me. Of course, if you don't care about 32 bits games, this is not a problem for you.

But what else is going to change? It would be a good idea to check if the games you have and still want to play will work fine on the RTX 50 series before committing some serious money on it.


As another example, completely unrelated to NVIDIA - the new Intel Battlemage GPUs perform significantly worst on low end CPUs than on high end ones, what's nuts because these GPUs are intended to be entry or middle range and they should be being optimized for these setups, not for top tier CPUs, as one expending some serious money on CPUs will not go cheap on the GPU, right?)

Will the RTX-50 series go to the same path? Perhaps not, but if they go this way? Better know in advance before buying it...
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ariortega:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von PopinFRESH:
Personally I wouldn't pay the same price as what a new-in-box current generation goes for when getting a used previous generation.

Let them eat the loss of buying a card at the end-of-life right before new cards are launched. If they aren't selling it for around a 20-30% discount for a used last-gen card then they are ripping you off. Why would you pay the MSRP for a used card from the last generation?

If you're willing to spend around $1000 for a used 4080 Super, then just keep an eye on the stock and try to buy a 5080 FE from a legitimate retailer when it is available for MSRP (e.g. $1000).


The thing is: I want to get a "new" GPU very soon, don't want to wait any longer, because honestly: nobody knows exactly if the current situation is ever going to change and IF it changes, it's most likely for the worse. Hardly believe the gpu market situation is going normalize again.

(Just look at the GPU price evolution from the Pascal generation until now...it's madness).

And I want to buy a real, significant upgrade to my RTX 3070.
That's why - even though I skipped the 40 generation - I now consider getting a 4080 Super, if it's in a really good condition.
I vote for 5080. However do what will make you happy. I know that I would regret getting last gen card tbh. But thats me.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von karmazyn1:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ariortega:


The thing is: I want to get a "new" GPU very soon, don't want to wait any longer, because honestly: nobody knows exactly if the current situation is ever going to change and IF it changes, it's most likely for the worse. Hardly believe the gpu market situation is going normalize again.

(Just look at the GPU price evolution from the Pascal generation until now...it's madness).

And I want to buy a real, significant upgrade to my RTX 3070.
That's why - even though I skipped the 40 generation - I now consider getting a 4080 Super, if it's in a really good condition.
I vote for 5080. However do what will make you happy. I know that I would regret getting last gen card tbh. But thats me.

I'd not regret getting a 4080 Super / last-gen card. But I surely would regret paying the same $$ that I could get a brand new current generation card for and getting a last-gen card.

If they were selling the 4080 Super for ~20% - 30% less than it's original MSRP then I'd say that is a reasonable choice to consider.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von PopinFRESH:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von karmazyn1:
I vote for 5080. However do what will make you happy. I know that I would regret getting last gen card tbh. But thats me.

I'd not regret getting a 4080 Super / last-gen card. But I surely would regret paying the same $$ that I could get a brand new current generation card for and getting a last-gen card.

If they were selling the 4080 Super for ~20% - 30% less than it's original MSRP then I'd say that is a reasonable choice to consider.

This is why for me if I'm to get a last gen card, it'd has to be the 4070 or higher. The 4060ti is starting to lag WAY too far behind.
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