Xbox handheld coming this year; Xbox prebuilt PC in 2027

[Citizen Cook]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-hardware-report-project-keenan-next-gen-xbox-2027

I assume this means we’ll finally see Microsoft’s answer to SteamOS.

I’m particularly interested in the potential of a ‘relatively’ cheap prebuilt gaming PC (assuming Microsoft price aggressively like they do with consoles) that can offer a console-like user experience for the living room environment.

Update #1 https://www.theverge.com/news/633478/microsoft-xbox-steam-games-support-ui

[andreasaspenberg575]

the word of an xbox handheld is not new. just hope that it actually happans this time.

[Skyblue]

Originally posted by Citizen Cook:

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

You pretty much wrote what i was thinking

Valve has woken the sleeping giant. Microsoft perceives the Steam Deck/SteamOS as a threat to Windows and has ordered their employees to create their own handheld, Steam Machine, and SteamOS.
Valve’s work has been stellar, but they can’t compete with the might of a mega conglomerate defending their backyard. Remember, Microsoft created the Xbox just because the pay thought the PS2 was encroaching upon their territory.

Yep, once they create a console friendly UI with Windows underneath it’s basically over. The Rog Ally issue is running base Windows which isn’t great.

I might be interested. Be nice if they did an OLED screen too.

[smokerob79]

Originally posted by _I_:

current steam os is now only for steam deck

steam controller was not half bad, but the touchpad/sticks are hard to get used to
its still supported, but xbox s/x and ds4/dualsense are very good alts


consoles are sold at a loss and profit is made up through subscription and game sales

there is no way a pc can do the same, since it can not be locked to one service model

man you people are blind.....old Gabe has been trying to make his own console since releasing half life 2 and the 30% cut this very store is taking in games sales is the same number that let the NES be made at a lose.......steaming pile is 95% of PC gaming now if you believe the lies valve themselves tell......they are locking in the market......


its like most of you missed the last 25 years......before you lie to yourself google steam's 30% cut on gaming and learn something.....there is no valid reason they should be taking a 30% cut when that is what consoles do.....

[オナニー]

Originally posted by smokerob79:

Originally posted by _I_:

current steam os is now only for steam deck

steam controller was not half bad, but the touchpad/sticks are hard to get used to
its still supported, but xbox s/x and ds4/dualsense are very good alts


consoles are sold at a loss and profit is made up through subscription and game sales

there is no way a pc can do the same, since it can not be locked to one service model

man you people are blind.....old Gabe has been trying to make his own console since releasing half life 2 and the 30% cut this very store is taking in games sales is the same number that let the NES be made at a lose.......steaming pile is 95% of PC gaming now if you believe the lies valve themselves tell......they are locking in the market......


its like most of you missed the last 25 years......before you lie to yourself google steam's 30% cut on gaming and learn something.....there is no valid reason they should be taking a 30% cut when that is what consoles do.....:JC3_barrel:

Consoles charge you for basic things like online multiplayer, cloud saves, members only discount sales, etc.

I can go months not spending anything on steam yet still have access to everything. That 30% is basically in good hands. Consoles are the scam here

[Citizen Cook]

Originally posted by Skyblue:

Originally posted by Citizen Cook:

Valve has woken the sleeping giant. Microsoft perceives the Steam Deck/SteamOS as a threat to Windows and has ordered their employees to create their own handheld, Steam Machine, and SteamOS.
Valve’s work has been stellar, but they can’t compete with the might of a mega conglomerate defending their backyard. Remember, Microsoft created the Xbox just because the pay thought the PS2 was encroaching upon their territory.

Yep, once they create a console friendly UI with Windows underneath it’s basically over. The Rog Ally issue is running base Windows which isn’t great.

I might be interested. Be nice if they did an OLED screen too.

Yes. Valve has the momentum, and everyone wants SteamOS on their handheld, but once Windows offers the same thing it’s basically over for Steam Deck and SteamOS, which is really quite sad.
It’s a shame Valve can’t get SteamOS out quicker in all Windows handhelds, laptops, and PC’s.

[Citizen Cook]

Originally posted by オナニー:

Originally posted by smokerob79:

man you people are blind.....old Gabe has been trying to make his own console since releasing half life 2 and the 30% cut this very store is taking in games sales is the same number that let the NES be made at a lose.......steaming pile is 95% of PC gaming now if you believe the lies valve themselves tell......they are locking in the market......


its like most of you missed the last 25 years......before you lie to yourself google steam's 30% cut on gaming and learn something.....there is no valid reason they should be taking a 30% cut when that is what consoles do.....:JC3_barrel:

Consoles charge you for basic things like online multiplayer, cloud saves, members only discount sales, etc.

I can go months not spending anything on steam yet still have access to everything. That 30% is basically in good hands. Consoles are the scam here

I moved over from console to PC because I was tired of losing access to my games ever new console generation. Ironically, after I moved to Steam the Xbox went hard on backwards compatibility. Still, nothing beats PC when it comes to BC.
If the next Xbox is a prebuilt PC with a custom SoC then I’ll come full circle — playing Steam games in my Xbox.😄

[_I_]

gabe no longer works at valve

and steams 30% cut sounds like alot, but to the devs/publishers it give them access to way more than an extra 30% in sales

if steam did sell a pc at a loss, most would not buy steam games for it
maybe put it to use mining or something else more productive


valves best bet would be to sell the pc at cost, and give a month or more sub for all steam games, or a chunk of popular ones like gamepass/ps+

that would be more likely to get the customers to continue the sub, or buy the games they wanted

but again, selling the pc, can not lock it to steam games

[_I_]

Originally posted by Citizen Cook:

Originally posted by オナニー:

Consoles charge you for basic things like online multiplayer, cloud saves, members only discount sales, etc.

I can go months not spending anything on steam yet still have access to everything. That 30% is basically in good hands. Consoles are the scam here

I moved over from console to PC because I was tired of losing access to my games ever new console generation. Ironically, after I moved to Steam the Xbox went hard on backwards compatibility. Still, nothing beats PC when it comes to BC.
If the next Xbox is a prebuilt PC with a custom SoC then I’ll come full circle — playing Steam games in my Xbox.😄

this isnt so true anymore
xbox series s/x can play all xbox one, and most x360 titles
and ps5 can play all ps4 games

if you have the service sub or paid for games, you can play them if the console is using the same account
but if the consoles are online, you can only play one copy of each game at a time on them

[Skyblue]

Originally posted by Citizen Cook:

Originally posted by Skyblue:

Yep, once they create a console friendly UI with Windows underneath it’s basically over. The Rog Ally issue is running base Windows which isn’t great.

I might be interested. Be nice if they did an OLED screen too.

Yes. Valve has the momentum, and everyone wants SteamOS on their handheld, but once Windows offers the same thing it’s basically over for Steam Deck and SteamOS, which is really quite sad.
It’s a shame Valve can’t get SteamOS out quicker in all Windows handhelds, laptops, and PC’s.

SteamOS will still have uses and linux bros will want it anyways. But otherwise yeah, there won’t be much reason.

[andreasaspenberg575]

microsoft usually use versions of windows on their stuff anyway.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Quint:

Originally posted by Citizen Cook:

Competition is good, surely?

Not when it comes to Microsoft. Their understanding of competition is breaking the legs of the other, kicking them in the balls and pissing on their grave.

Last time something like this happened was when some brand I forgot came up with the idea of netbooks in 2000's. The netbooks were going to run on Linux as Windows were too bloated even for that day's standards. Microsoft spit their drink when they heard this and quickly made a lightweight version of WinXP called Windows CE. Offered a ♥♥♥♥ ton of money to the brand and put Windows on the netbooks.

I don't want this to happen again.

Asus, and the EeePC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC

[_I_]

netbooks could run a full version of windows at the time, xp/vista
you could disable lot of stuff to make them run better on <2g of ram

[andreasaspenberg575]

running xp or vista on 2 gigabytes of ram was not a problem at all. i have been using pcs so long that i have encountered that kind of configurations. the most ram heavy is stuff like photoshop. i actually had to upgrade my ram for that. i installed it myself however.

[Citizen Cook]

I remember using Games for Windows Live back in the day. It worked pretty well and made me feel like i was in a console ecosystem. Unfortunately Microsoft abandoned it after stupidly trying and failing to get PC players to pay for online play.
Where would we be now if Microsoft were less greedy and more consumer focused, i wonder. They basically ceded PC gaming to Valve despite owning the OS essential for PC gaming. How can such a large and powerful company with so much money and resources be so inept?
Valve are light and nimble and so so much with relatively so little.

[_I_]

xp is fine with 256-512mb ram, 4g was the 32bit limit
2g was great, and the usable ram limit for a single program

vista on the other hand needed 3-4g just to be good with its default settings
else it would be chewing on hdd page file constantly
netbooks with a 1.8in hdd were the absolute worst, the ones that had a cf or flash ssd were only slightly better