temps 7 MAR a las 8:43 p. m.
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Finally AMD Dominates NVIDIA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptp5suRDdQQ

Nice to see AMD dominating at the $500 to $600 GPU price point.
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temps 10 MAR a las 1:50 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por r.linder:
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Probably driver issues. AMD cards used to have driver issues, but those issues are basically gone with anything AMD RX 6000 series and newer. It's an outdated criticism.

Granted, I'm making an assumption that the AMD 9070 XT won't have those driver issues since AMD RX 6000 and AMD RX 7000 series didn't have them.

A lot of people bought Radeon because of people like you that recommend and fanboy for them, only to regret it because they end up having a bunch of different issues with the drivers or the quality of the cards themselves. I see it all of the time, and I've dealt with it personally.

Ah, all the reviewers like Linus who say modern AMD cards are good are fanboys? Interesting little conspiracy theory. I'm playing on an RTX 3070 right now as my comment history indicates. Before that I had an AMD card and had no issues. Before that, I had an NVIDIA card. I just look for cards that offer good value for the price and right now that's AMD RX 9070 XT.

You aren't helping PC gaming by being an NVIDIA fan btw. If you want cheaper PC components you shouldn't want NVIDIA to be getting like 70-90% market share. A strong product offering from AMD helps PC builders and gamers by creating competition in the market... you should celebrate that.
Última edición por temps; 10 MAR a las 1:51 p. m.
r.linder 10 MAR a las 1:59 p. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por r.linder:

A lot of people bought Radeon because of people like you that recommend and fanboy for them, only to regret it because they end up having a bunch of different issues with the drivers or the quality of the cards themselves. I see it all of the time, and I've dealt with it personally.

Ah, all the reviewers like Linus who say modern AMD cards are good are fanboys? Interesting little conspiracy theory. I'm playing on an RTX 3070 right now as my comment history indicates. Before that I had an AMD card and had no issues. Before that, I had an NVIDIA card. I just look for cards that offer good value for the price and right now that's AMD RX 9070 XT.

You aren't helping PC gaming by being an NVIDIA fan btw. If you want cheaper PC components you shouldn't want NVIDIA to be getting like 70-90% market share. A strong product offering from AMD helps PC builders and gamers by creating competition in the market... you should celebrate that.
AMD will get more market share when they actually deserve it, NVIDIA has the majority because they earned it over many years of hard work and delivering the best video cards for consumers, AMD isn't holding much in their favor because they haven't done anything truly spectacular, they just follow whatever trend NVIDIA brings and pick up the crumbs. There's more to GPUs than just raw performance per dollar, and the majority choose NVIDIA because they're the factual best.

They don't have equivalents to some NVIDIA technologies and a lot of the ones they do have aren't as good, and they only offer better performance per dollar BECAUSE that's literally all they can do to keep their GPU market share afloat, if the tables were flipped then they would be overpricing their cards too, but that's never going to happen as long as they don't make real innovation with their GPUs like they have with their CPUs.

They also have a very lengthy history of bad drivers that get better over time, that hasn't changed, their release drivers are always sloppy.
Última edición por r.linder; 10 MAR a las 2:17 p. m.
temps 10 MAR a las 2:23 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por r.linder:
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Ah, all the reviewers like Linus who say modern AMD cards are good are fanboys? Interesting little conspiracy theory. I'm playing on an RTX 3070 right now as my comment history indicates. Before that I had an AMD card and had no issues. Before that, I had an NVIDIA card. I just look for cards that offer good value for the price and right now that's AMD RX 9070 XT.

You aren't helping PC gaming by being an NVIDIA fan btw. If you want cheaper PC components you shouldn't want NVIDIA to be getting like 70-90% market share. A strong product offering from AMD helps PC builders and gamers by creating competition in the market... you should celebrate that.

They also have a very lengthy history of bad drivers that get better over time, that hasn't changed, their release drivers are always sloppy.

Release day drivers aren't as good yeah but why does this matter that much? You just wait a little while and the problems get fixed. Not even that long either. I'm happy to do other things or use a different computer for a month if it means I get $50 or $100 off my GPU.

But I guess there are people who want the most current products in their lives on day 1 of release, the sort who camp out at Best Buy or whatever because they're super excited about using the new gaming product on the day it releases. If that's you... yeah, I guess it makes sense to go with NVIDIA.

But I have no problem with waiting a bit to get a better deal.
Última edición por temps; 10 MAR a las 2:25 p. m.
r.linder 10 MAR a las 3:07 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por temps:
Publicado originalmente por r.linder:

They also have a very lengthy history of bad drivers that get better over time, that hasn't changed, their release drivers are always sloppy.

Release day drivers aren't as good yeah but why does this matter that much? You just wait a little while and the problems get fixed. Not even that long either. I'm happy to do other things or use a different computer for a month if it means I get $50 or $100 off my GPU.

But I guess there are people who want the most current products in their lives on day 1 of release, the sort who camp out at Best Buy or whatever because they're super excited about using the new gaming product on the day it releases. If that's you... yeah, I guess it makes sense to go with NVIDIA.

But I have no problem with waiting a bit to get a better deal.
You also get more and better quality features with NVIDIA so the value can be arguably better depending on how you look at it.

Radeon looks fine to people who don't care about literally anything other than raw GPU performance per dollar and video memory per dollar, but that doesn't apply to a lot of people to want DLSS, better RT performance, Reflex, CUDA, NVEC, etc. NVIDIA has more to offer as a complete package and they have hardware acceleration, that is why they've been more expensive, these things cost money and it is a business at the end of the day, NVIDIA is very wealthy because they're good at the business aspects, AMD comes nowhere close because they've been bad at it and waste so much time trying to be "friends" with consumers which is all fine and dandy but doesn't build immense wealth if you can't deliver the exact same product as your competitor.

Hell, up until 50 series, PhysX for 32bit games was a huge hit for Nvidia because it brought much better performance in some of the games that used it, without it the 50 series cards get worse performance than 40 series in those older games because they cut it out on Blackwell. That's admittedly a stupid problem but it was just a consequence of cutting 32-bit CUDA support that wasn't really necessary to keep, PhysX was a part of that and it might just be for 32-bit games, but for those games that benefited from it it just puts AMD on an even playing field with NVIDIA.
Monk 10 MAR a las 7:18 p. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por r.linder:
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All he suggested is that if you can't put away much for it then you still have potential to upgrade every 2 years, nothing says that it doesn't matter, not sure what you're getting at or that you even know what you're arguing about at this point.

Because I suggested the lower price of AMD GPUs means buying them over time means maybe you have extra money saved so you can upgrade GPU more often for similar cost. He responded by saying if you can't (or don't want to) afford to spend more money on more expensive NVIDIA GPUs then you have "bigger problems" as he says, seeming to be sortof shaming people for wanting to save money by going with AMD instead of NVIDIA.

Frankly, the 9070xt is the only card AMD has made I'd ever consider suggesting someone buy over nvidia and then only if it is atleast 100 bucks cheaper than a 5070ti.

The saving over the equivalent nvidia card has never been worth it if you are a functioning adult and can do some very basic budgeting and the argument that you can upgrade more often doesn't count, as I clearly pointed out you can easily upgrade every generation with very little impact on your life, so why buy the objectably worse product?

If someone was looking to buy the 5070 I would make the exact same argument, only id suggest the 9070xt (based on its MSRP) or a second hand card.
Monk 10 MAR a las 7:20 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:
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waste of money. I spent 390bucks for my Nvidia 4060 rtx. and it came with a PhysX. yours didnt.

And it's sad that those entry GPUs even cost that much now. They used to be around $279

To be fair a £250 3050 8GB is far more capable than the high end cards of yore, new cards are insanely more complex to design and manufacture, add on inflation and the prices are fine and understandable.
Monk 10 MAR a las 7:22 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ralf:
Publicado originalmente por Monk:
Also, you can buy a new mid to high end gpu every generation (2 years ish) if you just save 10 bucks a week, that's like skipping 1 take away, 1 fancy coffee or a couple of beers, heck, quit smoking and people can buy a top end gpu with the money they save.
I don't eat take away. I do not drink any coffee, let alone a fancy one. Neither do I drink beer or any drink that has alcohol in it. I do not smoke either.

Do you have more great advice how I should save money?

Get a, better job or evaluate where you are wasting all of your income?

Clearly you are living beyond your means if you cannot save 10 bucks a, week and, I already covered this, if you can't save atleast that much, you have bigger concerns than buying the latest gpu!
Monk 10 MAR a las 7:30 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por temps:
Publicado originalmente por r.linder:

They also have a very lengthy history of bad drivers that get better over time, that hasn't changed, their release drivers are always sloppy.

Release day drivers aren't as good yeah but why does this matter that much? You just wait a little while and the problems get fixed. Not even that long either. I'm happy to do other things or use a different computer for a month if it means I get $50 or $100 off my GPU.

But I guess there are people who want the most current products in their lives on day 1 of release, the sort who camp out at Best Buy or whatever because they're super excited about using the new gaming product on the day it releases. If that's you... yeah, I guess it makes sense to go with NVIDIA.

But I have no problem with waiting a bit to get a better deal.

The 9070xt is only good if it's atleast 100 bucks less than the 5070ti.

So, you are telli g me you will inconvenience yourself for the sake of 50 cence a week over the generation, less if you keep it gir more than 2 years, so roughly 7 cence a day?

To put that into other terms, you are telling me, you woukd walk a mile a day to save 7 cence over parking at your destination?

Of course you wouldn't, that's ridiculous, bear in mind, it isn't free parking a mile away either as that is the argument you are making.
Bad 💀 Motha 10 MAR a las 7:35 p. m. 
Yes if it comes close to a 5070 Ti in price, it wont make any sense because any 5070 Ti can easily OC to provide the performance of a stock 5080

9070 XT should have stayed @ approx $599
any higher then you might as well get a 5070 Ti or 7900 XTX
Última edición por Bad 💀 Motha; 10 MAR a las 7:36 p. m.
r.linder 10 MAR a las 8:15 p. m. 
FSR4 won't make up the price hike either because there's minimal FSR4 support as it's a new version of the technology that's completely changed in how it works, so now it's in the same boat as DLSS originally was, DLSS now has wider support and you have the driver override.
Última edición por r.linder; 10 MAR a las 8:16 p. m.
Bad 💀 Motha 10 MAR a las 8:23 p. m. 
Sony is planning an update for PS5 PRO that will provide it FSR 4 and help overall performance.
Monk 10 MAR a las 8:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:
Sony is planning an update for PS5 PRO that will provide it FSR 4 and help overall performance.

A version of it perhaps, but doesn't it lack the hardware? That is the entire reason it's not available on older cards.
fourfourtwo79 10 MAR a las 9:53 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Monk:
To be fair a £250 3050 8GB is far more capable than the high end cards of yore, new cards are insanely more complex to design and manufacture, add on inflation and the prices are fine and understandable.

Raw performance wise, the 3050 is about onpar to a 2017 1070/Ti or Vega 56, 400 bucks cards almost a decade back. So that's a miniscule improvement. The RX 6600 would be the better deal anyway. Still, the entry level has been stagnant for years now. Even the Arc B580 barely beats a 2020 3060Ti.

Intel are reportedly moving away from TSMC though, which is risky but could pay off in the longer run if it all works out. The TSMC monopoly is one of the driving factors here.
Última edición por fourfourtwo79; 10 MAR a las 10:00 p. m.
r.linder 10 MAR a las 10:03 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Monk:
Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:
Sony is planning an update for PS5 PRO that will provide it FSR 4 and help overall performance.

A version of it perhaps, but doesn't it lack the hardware? That is the entire reason it's not available on older cards.
Yeah unless they make a whole new console, they aren't getting proper FSR4 support
Monk 10 MAR a las 10:40 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por fourfourtwo79:
Publicado originalmente por Monk:
To be fair a £250 3050 8GB is far more capable than the high end cards of yore, new cards are insanely more complex to design and manufacture, add on inflation and the prices are fine and understandable.

Raw performance wise, the 3050 is about onpar to a 2017 1070/Ti or Vega 56, 400 bucks cards almost a decade back. So that's a miniscule improvement. The RX 6600 would be the better deal anyway. Still, the entry level has been stagnant for years now. Even the Arc B580 barely beats a 2020 3060Ti.

Intel are reportedly moving away from TSMC though, which is risky but could pay off in the longer run if it all works out. The TSMC monopoly is one of the driving factors here.

Apart from those old cards don't have half the features of a 3050, it's why I used it and not the rx6600 as an example.

I like AMD, tl nvidia has been busy creating new tech to drive new stuff, the 3050 8GB is far faster and more capable than those old cards the moment you look at including dlss and raytracing, plus it's cheaper and faster, and it's only 2 generations removed so 4 years, not 6/7 as the latest cards are.

Honestly, the 5050 is one of the cards I'm most looking forward to, maybe more than getting my hands on a 5090 as it will likely be a larger upgrade for my htpc to go fro. 3050 to 5050 than my main rigs 4090 to 5090.

I'd argue that entry level cards are some of the most exciting cards we've had in recent years when you look at their capabilities to price.
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