Which is better to upgrade to AMD Graphics Cards or 4000’s?

[Vardan]

Sadly I have to upgrade my 3070 ti graphics card. Sadly my card is bent after being used heavily and not having a support bracket.

Lately I’m afraid of upgrading to the 4000’s due to issues of the card melting 12VHPWR cable connectors leading to fires and the card burning out. I’m thinking of using the amd 7900xt graphics card.

Any thoughts?

[Trout]

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

i mean their NVENC encoder is also worth pointing out

Pointing out what?

he's right, NVENC is still very good. it can do H.265 and even AV1 on the newer GPUs

[The_Abortionator]

Originally posted by Trout:

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

Pointing out what?

he's right, NVENC is still very good. it can do H.265 and even AV1 on the newer GPUs

Hes not right, he is suggesting that the Nvidia encoder is magical and better than AMD's whish isn't the case.

Also not sure why you think only Nvidia supports x265 or AV1.

There are no bad encoders any more, from an end user perspective theres no difference anymore.

[Tonepoet]

Are you even sure your 3070 ti is broken? Without a photograph, I can't see the card to mean what you mean by bent. P.C.Bs. are generally pretty stiff and brittle, so I'd assume the actual G.P.U. would crack before permanently bending out of shape unless you're just talking about the bracket, which is nonelectrical and can probably just be bent back.

If you weren't using a support rod, it seems more likely to me that your G.P.U. was sagging and bent the pins on the P.C.I.E. connector out of shape so they can't make proper contact. The original N.E.S. has a similar problem because you push down on the the zero insertion force connector to fully insert the cartridge. Normally replacing the Z.I.F. connector fixes the problem and there's no damage to the cartridges.

I've also had some graphics cards shoved somewhat out of place while inserted into a powered on P.C. What can I say? Sometimes I lose some of the fiddly bits and get lazy when reassembling things I've taken apart. Doesn't necessarily kill the card. I'm not saying it can't kill the card if the wrong connections get crossed. Just that it's not an absolute given.

Might be worth ordering some junker parts off of ebay to do some testing before you commit to a multi-hundred dollar purchase you may or may not need.

[Vardan]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Would go with X870 mobo, that way you will have latest chipset that will be upgrade worthy and relevant longest.

It’s literally the same chipset as B650 and x670. The same drivers.
In some ways it can even be a downgrade as all x670 and x670e have double chipset when only x870e is a double chipset option. x870 non e has a single chipset.

https://youtu.be/H0axuzyN_1s?si=cVWAd3qHeWJGKfYF

There is no difference in gaming performance as well as long as there is no VRM limitation what is not a problem for 8 core CPUs.

If it is not much different than X670 and X670e than why go to x870?

[90054321564584560]

melting only happens in 4090 i assume?

[The_Abortionator]

Originally posted by Vardan:

Originally posted by C1REX:

It’s literally the same chipset as B650 and x670. The same drivers.
In some ways it can even be a downgrade as all x670 and x670e have double chipset when only x870e is a double chipset option. x870 non e has a single chipset.

https://youtu.be/H0axuzyN_1s?si=cVWAd3qHeWJGKfYF

There is no difference in gaming performance as well as long as there is no VRM limitation what is not a problem for 8 core CPUs.

If it is not much different than X670 and X670e than why go to x870?

Why indeed.

Right now I have a B650i Aorus ultra and every time I look at potential board upgrades when I upgrade and swap my parts to my lady theres NOTHING appealing.

Like, I have 3 Nvmes on a mini ITX board and I can't find any more than 1 MAYBE 2 on more expensive options. And since theres no boards with faster nics either this may just be my goat board until something changes.

[libadwaita (she/her)]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

idk about linux

Right now, this refers mostly to the state of drivers on the operating system. While things have seen a pretty massive improvement for NVIDIA over the past few years, NVIDIA drivers are simply worse than AMD's drivers on GNU/Linux even in 2024. It is to the point where NVIDIA isn't even on the radar for me when buying a new graphics card (and hasn't been in a long time) because their drivers are a headache compared to AMD.

For NVIDIA drivers, at the moment you have 2 "good" options, both with their advantages and disadvantages. You have the FOSS Nouveau drivers, and the proprietary NVIDIA drivers.

The Nouveau drivers are going to be the ones you'll see installed by default on most distros, and probably what you'll be using until or unless you install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers. They work well enough for general desktop graphics acceleration, but for gaming or any other heavy 3D application they tend to be quite a bit slower than what the graphics card is capable of.

The proprietary NVIDIA drivers provide performance more up to snuff with the graphics card you bought, but they tend to be slow to adapt to the changing technological landscape. It took a very long time for the proprietary NVIDIA drivers to provide a usable experience on Wayland, and it still isn't a great experience yet. Sometimes (and depending on the distro) the Linux kernel can update before the NVIDIA drivers support it which can cause a (temporally) broken system. Luckily, most distros allow you to boot older kernel versions so you can switch to the Nouveau drivers and use the new kernel or wait until NVIDIA has updated their drivers to be compatible with the latest Linux kernel. This has actually happened to me before back around 2018 on my HTPC which used a GeForce GT 1030.

For NVIDIA, you effectively have to chose between a driver that quickly provides support for the latest GNU/Linux stack and works reliably after kernel upgrades or the one that provides the best performance and some proprietary NVIDIA features such as CUDA or DLSS. Things are getting better with NVK, but NVIDIA is still nowhere near as good as AMD or even Intel in this regard.

Meanwhile for AMD, most users using a relatively modern GCN1 or newer graphics card (if you have an AMD graphics card from ~2012 or newer, chances are it will support it) can just use the default FOSS amdgpu driver, and it works very well. It has very good performance and supports the latest GNU/Linux stack quite well. For the most part, AMD graphics cards don't require you to download anything extra. There is the amdgpu-pro drivers, a proprietary driver but it is only really relevant for very specific professional workloads.

but you are just wrong when you say FSR is better then DLSS.

This is largely down to your interpretation and priorities when it comes to choosing an upscaling technology. While DLSS provides better overall results, FSR is available to practically any graphics card and at the end of the day that might be more important to you when you consider how close FSR and DLSS really are. It's not like there is a world of difference between the two, and you might prefer using something that produces slightly worse results if it's a more open technology. The fact that NVIDIA locks you in to using their graphics cards is enough of a reason for it to be an inferior technology in my eyes.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Vardan:

If it is not much different than X670 and X670e than why go to x870?

There is no reason unless the price is good or a specific board has some features you like.
X870 (non e) is more similar to B650e. Both with a single chipset. Plenty enough for most people but feels weird and almost scammy when there is such a big difference between x870 and x870e. Definitely rises an eyebrow when x870 is a downgrade from x670

B650 and B650e remain the best value for gaming in my opinion.

[The_Abortionator]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by Vardan:

If it is not much different than X670 and X670e than why go to x870?

There is no reason unless the price is good or a specific board has some features you like.
X870 (non e) is more similar to B650e. Both with a single chipset. Plenty enough for most people but feels weird and almost scammy when there is such a big difference between x870 and x870e.

B650 and B650e remain the best value for gaming in my opinion.

Honestly I havent found a better board than the B650i from gigabyte. Its mini itx, has all the other bells and whistles, gen5 NVME and 2 gen 4 NVMEs.

[Vardan]

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

Originally posted by C1REX:

There is no reason unless the price is good or a specific board has some features you like.
X870 (non e) is more similar to B650e. Both with a single chipset. Plenty enough for most people but feels weird and almost scammy when there is such a big difference between x870 and x870e.

B650 and B650e remain the best value for gaming in my opinion.

Honestly I havent found a better board than the B650i from gigabyte. Its mini itx, has all the other bells and whistles, gen5 NVME and 2 gen 4 NVMEs.

It’s hard to make a decision tbh. Are the B650 good?

So far have the cpu: Ryzen 7 7800x3d but looking at ryzen 9 9900x as well.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

Originally posted by C1REX:

There is no reason unless the price is good or a specific board has some features you like.
X870 (non e) is more similar to B650e. Both with a single chipset. Plenty enough for most people but feels weird and almost scammy when there is such a big difference between x870 and x870e.

B650 and B650e remain the best value for gaming in my opinion.

Honestly I havent found a better board than the B650i from gigabyte. Its mini itx, has all the other bells and whistles, gen5 NVME and 2 gen 4 NVMEs.

You’re right. I meant the whole b650 range including b650m and b650i.
Asrock also has some amazing value boards. Like b650m Pro RS WiFi for about $130. Also with gen5 nvme slot and two gen4 slots. Less money spent on mobo means more funds for GPU so better value parts can improve overall system performance. It’s all about value.

[Vardan]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

Honestly I havent found a better board than the B650i from gigabyte. Its mini itx, has all the other bells and whistles, gen5 NVME and 2 gen 4 NVMEs.

You’re right. I meant the whole b650 range including b650m and b650i.
Asrock also has some amazing value boards. Like b650m Pro RS WiFi for about $130. Also with gen5 nvme slot and two gen4 slots. Less money spent on mobo means more funds for GPU so better value parts can improve overall system performance. It’s all about value.

I did like the Asrock boards but many people suggested not to go with them since some had problems.

[smokerob79]

Originally posted by Vardan:

Originally posted by C1REX:

You’re right. I meant the whole b650 range including b650m and b650i.
Asrock also has some amazing value boards. Like b650m Pro RS WiFi for about $130. Also with gen5 nvme slot and two gen4 slots. Less money spent on mobo means more funds for GPU so better value parts can improve overall system performance. It’s all about value.

I did like the Asrock boards but many people suggested not to go with them since some had problems.

Asrock is about the only option i trust at this point....

ASUS sent me 4 bad replacement motherboards on a RMA....they fried 2 GPUs a 960 and a 1070......would not replace anything and now have to run the PC without a GPU.....

gigabyte has had to many issues.....i always find some kind of problem with everyone of their boards.....last 2 AMD boards have been great but we did not use the WIFI that later turned out to be garbage.....

MSI sold pallets of GPUs to miners for record profits and even sold to scalpers by the pallet in the mining days.....and i really miss using the mortar and bazooka line of their boards.....

most makers have shot themselves in the foot.....ASUS would still be god to me if they would have fixed their issues without frying 2 of my GPU;s and then saying its my fault they sent me boards that were bad.....

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

been ASUS enjoyer since the dawn age, never had problem with after-sales, maybe you just had bad distributor

[Sigma957]

Just wait for the prices to come down.