wow this again? really? (PC parts out of stock...)

[temps]

just went to buy some PC components to put together a new Linux PC for my mom and noticed the hot new AMD CPU the 9800X3D is still out of stock WEEKS after release. It's conjuring up a lot of unpleasant memories from 2020 and 2021 trying to build myself a gaming PC then.

And now I'm seeing articles in the news about how scalpers are selling these with a $200 markup.

Why didn't these PC hardware companies build up enough stock to not have these kinds of shortages prior to the product release so we can have an actual product launch instead of yet another stupid paper launch?

It's like they learned nothing from 2021, or maybe they did and they know it's bad for their customers and just don't care.

It's even more inexcusable in this case because now there is no COVID issue to explain away shortages...

[xDDD]

    
1. It is a very high-demand part because it is the best gaming CPU on the market atm
       
2. High-end part so they probably aren't producing as many
       
3. AMD is manipulating stock/production so it makes more profit
       
4. Hardware costs are uncertain over the next year so some people are upgrading now
       
5. Scalpers see the huge profits and it gives them more incentive to scoop them up.

The 4090 is still out of stock most places and that GPU came out over 2 years ago. I feel like this is just the norm for high-end parts nowadays due to the internet advertising them as the only choice for real gamers.


If you happen to be near a Microcenter you might be able to scoop a 9800X3D on a delivery day. They do get delivered all the time, you just need to actually go and get there before scalpers scoop them up.

FYI: If you are just building a Linux PC for your mom she probably doesn't need a 9800X3D, unless she's some kind of hardcore gamermom lol
The X3D is a gaming processor.

[Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.]

The situation now has literally NOTHING to do with the chip shortage during Covid.
They just don't manufacture high end parts like they do with low or mid tier hardware. In addition to that, AMD is also holding back a good portion of their chips in order to fuel the hype. It's an old marketing trick.

But you answered your question yourself. Scalpers are trying to take advantage of the hype.
Just wait a month or two. Thre will be more than enough after the holidays.

Btw, the 9800X3D is everywhere in stock where I live.

[temps]

Originally posted by xDDD:

    
1. It is a very high-demand part because it is the best gaming CPU on the market atm
       
2. High-end part so they probably aren't producing as many
       
3. AMD is manipulating stock/production so it makes more profit
       
4. Hardware costs are uncertain over the next year so some people are upgrading now
       
5. Scalpers see the huge profits and it gives them more incentive to scoop them up.

This is no excuse for a lack of stock weeks after launch. If there is a big demand for it (for whatever reasons), the company is supposed to build up enough stock prior to launch to ensure that normal customers can actually buy it at MSRP, not just people who have time to waste camping out at microcenter stores before delivery day.

This is not complicated.

[xDDD]

Originally posted by temps:

Originally posted by xDDD:

    
1. It is a very high-demand part because it is the best gaming CPU on the market atm
       
2. High-end part so they probably aren't producing as many
       
3. AMD is manipulating stock/production so it makes more profit
       
4. Hardware costs are uncertain over the next year so some people are upgrading now
       
5. Scalpers see the huge profits and it gives them more incentive to scoop them up.

This is no excuse for a lack of stock weeks after launch. If there is a big demand for it (for whatever reasons), the company is supposed to build up enough stock prior to launch to ensure that normal customers can actually buy it at MSRP, not just people who have time to waste camping out at microcenter stores before delivery day.

This is not complicated.

Well then maybe you should call up AMD an tell them how unacceptable it is that you cannot buy this one specific desirable gaming CPU.
You can buy a 9900X, you can buy a 9700X, you can buy a 9600X, and most of the 7000-series contenders have abundant stocks as well. You just want a 9800X3D specifically probably because some guy on Youtube told you that was the best one based on gaming benchmarks. Nothing wrong with that, but there are many people with your same mindset who bought up the stock.


If anything, I'd be angry at AMD for stopping production on the 7800X3D and jacking up the price on that. Otherwise you could have just gotten that one and been more than happy at the performance.

[Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.]

Originally posted by xDDD:

Originally posted by temps:

This is no excuse for a lack of stock weeks after launch. If there is a big demand for it (for whatever reasons), the company is supposed to build up enough stock prior to launch to ensure that normal customers can actually buy it at MSRP, not just people who have time to waste camping out at microcenter stores before delivery day.

This is not complicated.

Well then maybe you should call up AMD an tell them how unacceptable it is that you cannot buy this one specific desirable gaming CPU.
You can buy a 9900X, you can buy a 9700X, you can buy a 9600X, and most of the 7000-series contenders have abundant stocks as well. You just want a 9800X3D specifically probably because some guy on Youtube told you that was the best one based on gaming benchmarks. Nothing wrong with that, but there are many people with your same mindset who bought up the stock.


If anything, I'd be angry at AMD for stopping production on the 7800X3D and jacking up the price on that. Otherwise you could have just gotten that one and been more than happy at the performance.

This!!!!

[temps]

Originally posted by xDDD:

Originally posted by temps:

This is no excuse for a lack of stock weeks after launch. If there is a big demand for it (for whatever reasons), the company is supposed to build up enough stock prior to launch to ensure that normal customers can actually buy it at MSRP, not just people who have time to waste camping out at microcenter stores before delivery day.

This is not complicated.

Well then maybe you should call up AMD an tell them how unacceptable it is that you cannot buy this one specific desirable gaming CPU.
You can buy a 9900X, you can buy a 9700X, you can buy a 9600X, and most of the 7000-series contenders have abundant stocks as well. You just want a 9800X3D specifically probably because some guy on Youtube told you that was the best one based on gaming benchmarks. Nothing wrong with that, but there are many people with your same mindset who bought up the stock.


If anything, I'd be angry at AMD for stopping production on the 7800X3D and jacking up the price on that. Otherwise you could have just gotten that one and been more than happy at the performance.

Buying a 7800X3D at this point is really stupid because the price is close to the MSRP of the 9800X3D which has significantly better performance:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-7800X3D-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0BTZB7F88/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1G915OONLXGR3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0qfLWjkWkzRP3FDhm6BLS00EoeGUerVcrgIkvgClSQvLyWeCqxBID06Ru2yTi4J8WTNi1_4xh8auKjqkVt0dtm05nkiwjfb9jugOeKwygLlhL_SV2GJ27KCZtt29Fm5vmPtkP1DegFdlQIqCy-9F2IJbz9RwkVel1TqAa5iEBWJ7CW33hJWZCk_PbK_vnktWY8l-6kU6hL70ii853sQqXXqPjhTC1-iFpycqysT3KLQ.ejm72fxLKQpSIcsuLk8DB9cp9PG4i7N_ETT2JWkS5is&dib_tag=se&keywords=amd+7600x3d&qid=1733508596&sprefix=amd+7600x3d%2Caps%2C131&sr=8-3

The price of the 7800X3D is $478 on Amazon, which is only $2 less than the $480 MSRP for the 9800X3D.

[xDDD]

Originally posted by temps:

Originally posted by xDDD:

Well then maybe you should call up AMD an tell them how unacceptable it is that you cannot buy this one specific desirable gaming CPU.
You can buy a 9900X, you can buy a 9700X, you can buy a 9600X, and most of the 7000-series contenders have abundant stocks as well. You just want a 9800X3D specifically probably because some guy on Youtube told you that was the best one based on gaming benchmarks. Nothing wrong with that, but there are many people with your same mindset who bought up the stock.


If anything, I'd be angry at AMD for stopping production on the 7800X3D and jacking up the price on that. Otherwise you could have just gotten that one and been more than happy at the performance.

Buying a 7800X3D at this point is really stupid because the price is close to the MSRP of the 9800X3D which has significantly better performance:

Yes.
As I said, they stopped production and jacked up the price.
You could buy a 7800X3D for under $400 as recently as August. Apparently B&H had it for as cheap as $340 for most of the summer.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof?history_days=365

The 7800X3D used to be an insane deal, but they couldn't have that competing with the 9800X3D.

[C1REX]

9800x3D is selling like crazy. The demand is insane and thats why it’s out of stock.
Amazon US has it in top10 best selling CPU. It wouldn’t be that high if there were no stock.

Also AMD is not the priority for TSMC. A very limited manufacturing capacity is shared with Apple, NVidia, Intel and others. AMD can’t order more when TSMC is busy making chips for iPhones and AI GPUs for Nvidia.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by C1REX:

9800x3D is selling like crazy. The demand is insane and thats why it’s out of stock.
Amazon US has it in top10 best selling CPU. It wouldn’t be that high if there were no stock.

Also AMD is not the priority for TSMC. A very limited manufacturing capacity is shared with Apple, NVidia, Intel and others. AMD can’t order more when TSMC is busy making chips for iPhones and AI GPUs for Nvidia.

have you looked on ebay ..its called scalping happens every year around this time on newly released pc hardware.if you go onto ebay you can by 50 at a time from 1 seller so call it demand which im sure there is but scalping is playing a huge part as well.

these companies dont care about scalpers or they would release earlier or later than holidays to slow these kind of practices

[temps]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

Originally posted by C1REX:

9800x3D is selling like crazy. The demand is insane and thats why it’s out of stock.
Amazon US has it in top10 best selling CPU. It wouldn’t be that high if there were no stock.

Also AMD is not the priority for TSMC. A very limited manufacturing capacity is shared with Apple, NVidia, Intel and others. AMD can’t order more when TSMC is busy making chips for iPhones and AI GPUs for Nvidia.

have you looked on ebay ..its called scalping happens every year around this time on newly released pc hardware.if you go onto ebay you can by 50 at a time from 1 seller so call it demand which im sure there is but scalping is playing a huge part as well.

these companies dont care about scalpers or they would release earlier or later than holidays to slow these kind of practices

Yeah. It's just like 2020/2021. The "people" buying the CPUs are bots who serve scalpers.

AMD is happy to let their customers get screwed.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by temps:

Originally posted by Guydodge:

have you looked on ebay ..its called scalping happens every year around this time on newly released pc hardware.if you go onto ebay you can by 50 at a time from 1 seller so call it demand which im sure there is but scalping is playing a huge part as well.

these companies dont care about scalpers or they would release earlier or later than holidays to slow these kind of practices

Yeah. It's just like 2020/2021. The "people" buying the CPUs are bots who serve scalpers.

AMD is happy to let their customers get screwed.

The only realistic way to stop scalpers is to raise the price to lower demand. They can’t produce more. TSMC is at capacity limit, and AMD has obligations to SONY and other big companies. Gaming desktop CPUs are very low on their priority list.

Just wait until January for scalpers to lose money and for restocks to hit the shelves. We have this issue at every successful tech launch. The first iPhone was sold out everywhere within hours. That’s how it is.

On a side note: I strongly advise against building a new high or mid tier PC now. Not just before launch of new GPUs. Nvidia is clearly delaying 5000 series to clear out 4000 inventory during Christmas shopping season.

[temps]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by temps:

Yeah. It's just like 2020/2021. The "people" buying the CPUs are bots who serve scalpers.

AMD is happy to let their customers get screwed.

The only realistic way to stop scalpers is to raise the price to lower demand. They can’t produce more.

You don't need to raise prices or produce more.

You simply produce at the same amount/rate and delay the release date until you have enough stock built up that scalpers can't buy up all the supply available.

[smokerob79]

it is complicated....people knew this would be the best gaming CPU on the market when it dropped and it was even better then everyone hyped it up to be just because they got the cache on the back of the chip....

i know people that were sitting on old rigs that jumped as soon as it dropped....people upgrading from really old stuff like a 4770k or even a 7800k to others that upgraded from 5700x's.....im at over 15 builds with that CPU for people that were updating a decade old PC.....

been building for over 15 years.....never seen this many people after one CPU.....NEVER......

[Bing Chilling]

its the scalpers end of story.

AMD sells pallets of these things to them.

intel and nvidia do the exact same things with high end parts.

why only sell a few for a small profit to shops and market places when you can sell entire pallets of them for a slight discount to scalpers and also a few to shops.

they do make enough for the demand, they just get bought instantly by scalpers to put on ebay or other market places that don't care about price hiking.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by temps:

Originally posted by C1REX:

The only realistic way to stop scalpers is to raise the price to lower demand. They can’t produce more.

You don't need to raise prices or produce more.

You simply produce at the same amount/rate and delay the release date until you have enough stock built up that scalpers can't buy up all the supply available.

If they knew the future then they would make more to sell more to make more money.

But they don’t know the future. Like they didn’t expect for all the rest of Ryzen 9000 to sell so badly and that they will be sitting on unsold units.