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Monk 18/set./2023 às 4:01

All true, if they were not arguing as to what is THE FASTEST, to judge the fastest when your not using them optimally is not accurate.

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Illusion of Progress 18/set./2023 às 4:28

Well I generally don't restrict the subject of what I'm talking about to whatever a given thread is about in the first post only, especially if the thread itself has moved beyond that. Whatever argument between Intel and AMD that has been going on also seems beyond what the original thread asked anyway (because it didn't even pertain to AMD anyway and was solely asking about Intel). Seems silly to expect me to only talk within confines of the original post when you're not even doing that yourself.

Anyway, it just seemed to me you were calling anything done around methodologies that don't push everything as far as you feel it should as bad, and I was explaining why that might be. Nothing more.

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Monk 18/set./2023 às 4:38

until the last reply, nothing i said was directed towards you illusion.

plus any test that doest test under ideal circumstances when looking at maximum performance of a platform, IS bad test methodology.

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Tiberius 18/set./2023 às 4:48

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
until the last reply, nothing i said was directed towards you illusion.

plus any test that doest test under ideal circumstances when looking at maximum performance of a platform, IS bad test methodology.

Just put a disclaimer that you need a 200$++ RAM to achieve the benchmark result 👌

And dont forget abt the silicon lottery either

Última edição por Tiberius; 18/set./2023 às 4:56

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Monk 18/set./2023 às 5:35

that you cannot afford the fastest, doesn't change the results.

even without that, the intel option avoids the far lower 1 and 0.1% lows, or stutters, that alone is worth going intel for now.

when AMD truly has the best experience, i will happily suggest them, heck, ill regularly suggest the 5800x3d and the 6950xt as amazing value options.

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Tiberius 18/set./2023 às 5:37

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
that you cannot afford the fastest, doesn't change the results.

even without that, the intel option avoids the far lower 1 and 0.1% lows, or stutters, that alone is worth going intel for now.

when AMD truly has the best experience, i will happily suggest them, heck, ill regularly suggest the 5800x3d and the 6950xt as amazing value options.

Money is one thing. Silicon lottery is another thing

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Rod 18/set./2023 às 7:14

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
that you cannot afford the fastest, doesn't change the results.

even without that, the intel option avoids the far lower 1 and 0.1% lows, or stutters, that alone is worth going intel for now.

when AMD truly has the best experience, i will happily suggest them, heck, ill regularly suggest the 5800x3d and the 6950xt as amazing value options.

Ive never seen this on any benchmark on any website ever. The results for the 7800x3d are mostly supeerior. You are the 1st person i hear say amdip.

Última edição por Rod; 18/set./2023 às 7:15

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Monk 18/set./2023 às 7:56

Then the sites you visit don't pay attention to stutters and 0.1% lows let alone use a properly setup system, when one side can use 2000MHz faster ram than the other and has good overclocking headroom but you don't maje use of it, then you are failing to test the chips on their merits and are favouring one side.

Here is an example of it.

https://youtu.be/9Q0jgyLY0Rw?si=eFC5LuA0P5KHQ_zB

End of the day, if your happy, I am happy, I'm not the one dealing with stutters and dips and if you can't notice them, be happy, it's not something everyone does, the same as frame tearing etc.

But for those that do notice, irs very annoying.

If you font overclock, be happy, that the 13900k/s is faster at the limit does not diminish that the 7800x3d is a good chip (we will ignore the rest of the lineup and it's pre price cut high price), but, that does not make it THE fastest.

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Illusion of Progress 18/set./2023 às 8:16

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
until the last reply, nothing i said was directed towards you illusion.

plus any test that doest test under ideal circumstances when looking at maximum performance of a platform, IS bad test methodology.

The majority of testing is probably not setting out to do what you're looking for. So maybe it's bad for fulfilling that, sure, but it's pretty good for serving the wider market, the majority of which have practical and financial factors to consider. That's what I was trying to explain to you. Sometimes we need to identify when we're the exception and minority, instead of calling legitimate effort and results bad because it doesn't fit our opinion of what the criteria should be.

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Tiberius 18/set./2023 às 8:31

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
Then the sites you visit don't pay attention to stutters and 0.1% lows let alone use a properly setup system, when one side can use 2000MHz faster ram than the other and has good overclocking headroom but you don't maje use of it, then you are failing to test the chips on their merits and are favouring one side.

Here is an example of it.

https://youtu.be/9Q0jgyLY0Rw?si=eFC5LuA0P5KHQ_zB

End of the day, if your happy, I am happy, I'm not the one dealing with stutters and dips and if you can't notice them, be happy, it's not something everyone does, the same as frame tearing etc.

But for those that do notice, irs very annoying.

If you font overclock, be happy, that the 13900k/s is faster at the limit does not diminish that the 7800x3d is a good chip (we will ignore the rest of the lineup and it's pre price cut high price), but, that does not make it THE fastest.

This is a good advice. Op pls buy intel cpu and 8000mhz ram. It totally will work 100% of the time 🫡

Última edição por Tiberius; 18/set./2023 às 8:31

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Rod 18/set./2023 às 9:55

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
Then the sites you visit don't pay attention to stutters and 0.1% lows let alone use a properly setup system, when one side can use 2000MHz faster ram than the other and has good overclocking headroom but you don't maje use of it, then you are failing to test the chips on their merits and are favouring one side.

Here is an example of it.

https://youtu.be/9Q0jgyLY0Rw?si=eFC5LuA0P5KHQ_zB

End of the day, if your happy, I am happy, I'm not the one dealing with stutters and dips and if you can't notice them, be happy, it's not something everyone does, the same as frame tearing etc.

But for those that do notice, irs very annoying.

If you font overclock, be happy, that the 13900k/s is faster at the limit does not diminish that the 7800x3d is a good chip (we will ignore the rest of the lineup and it's pre price cut high price), but, that does not make it THE fastest.

Im going to look at it, The thing is as well Intel got covered for its poor dpc latency due to the chip changes and hybrid stuff. But i never seen anyone review the chip and say about bad 0.1%.

Then again none of them compare it to a oc intel chip. Its stock v stock and anyways EU and UK consumera cant overclock an intel chip. You must understand the cost of a 700watt system in this region, Its like running halogen heater all day infact my halogen heats the room at 400watts. If i draw 1200 for example, The cost is like 5 bucks a day do the maths.

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Monk 18/set./2023 às 10:19

Escrito originalmente por Rod:
Escrito originalmente por Monk:
Then the sites you visit don't pay attention to stutters and 0.1% lows let alone use a properly setup system, when one side can use 2000MHz faster ram than the other and has good overclocking headroom but you don't maje use of it, then you are failing to test the chips on their merits and are favouring one side.

Here is an example of it.

https://youtu.be/9Q0jgyLY0Rw?si=eFC5LuA0P5KHQ_zB

End of the day, if your happy, I am happy, I'm not the one dealing with stutters and dips and if you can't notice them, be happy, it's not something everyone does, the same as frame tearing etc.

But for those that do notice, irs very annoying.

If you font overclock, be happy, that the 13900k/s is faster at the limit does not diminish that the 7800x3d is a good chip (we will ignore the rest of the lineup and it's pre price cut high price), but, that does not make it THE fastest.

Im going to look at it, The thing is as well Intel got covered for its poor dpc latency due to the chip changes and hybrid stuff. But i never seen anyone review the chip and say about bad 0.1%.

Then again none of them compare it to a oc intel chip. Its stock v stock and anyways EU and UK consumera cant overclock an intel chip. You must understand the cost of a 700watt system in this region, Its like running halogen heater all day infact my halogen heats the room at 400watts. If i draw 1200 for example, The cost is like 5 bucks a day do the maths.

It's not that bad, I'm in the UK and if you can afford the system, you can afford the bills.

If you can't, then, you can't afford it to begin with.

Escrito originalmente por Tiberius:
Escrito originalmente por Monk:
Then the sites you visit don't pay attention to stutters and 0.1% lows let alone use a properly setup system, when one side can use 2000MHz faster ram than the other and has good overclocking headroom but you don't maje use of it, then you are failing to test the chips on their merits and are favouring one side.

Here is an example of it.

https://youtu.be/9Q0jgyLY0Rw?si=eFC5LuA0P5KHQ_zB

End of the day, if your happy, I am happy, I'm not the one dealing with stutters and dips and if you can't notice them, be happy, it's not something everyone does, the same as frame tearing etc.

But for those that do notice, irs very annoying.

If you font overclock, be happy, that the 13900k/s is faster at the limit does not diminish that the 7800x3d is a good chip (we will ignore the rest of the lineup and it's pre price cut high price), but, that does not make it THE fastest.

This is a good advice. Op pls buy intel cpu and 8000mhz ram. It totally will work 100% of the time 🫡

I never said to do that, infact I think I suggested a 12700k or a 58003dx, my point was to the guy claiming that AMD was THE fastest, was wrong, not my fault people fan oy for one side or another and get annoyed when they are corrected so put their head in the sand and link hwb and ltt as examples.

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Rod 18/set./2023 às 10:38

Escrito originalmente por Monk:
Escrito originalmente por Rod:

Im going to look at it, The thing is as well Intel got covered for its poor dpc latency due to the chip changes and hybrid stuff. But i never seen anyone review the chip and say about bad 0.1%.

Then again none of them compare it to a oc intel chip. Its stock v stock and anyways EU and UK consumera cant overclock an intel chip. You must understand the cost of a 700watt system in this region, Its like running halogen heater all day infact my halogen heats the room at 400watts. If i draw 1200 for example, The cost is like 5 bucks a day do the maths.

It's not that bad, I'm in the UK and if you can afford the system, you can afford the bills.

If you can't, then, you can't afford it to begin with.

Escrito originalmente por Tiberius:

This is a good advice. Op pls buy intel cpu and 8000mhz ram. It totally will work 100% of the time 🫡

I never said to do that, infact I think I suggested a 12700k or a 58003dx, my point was to the guy claiming that AMD was THE fastest, was wrong, not my fault people fan oy for one side or another and get annoyed when they are corrected so put their head in the sand and link hwb and ltt as examples.

Ok correction, I refuse to pay in the long run twice the price of the 7800x3d in power bills. I can afford them i just refuse to pay them as they are immoral and obscene to draw 250 more to game.

Última edição por Rod; 18/set./2023 às 11:40

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Rod 18/set./2023 às 11:44

Also, How come digital foundry and gamera nexus dont have amdip show in tests? Is it only starfield? I never heard of amdip until now. I did see a framechasers video where he claimed his 7800x3d system hanged and he showed this lag opening folders and hes the only guy on the internet to do so.

As a reviewer, Framechasers seems unhinged and the way he does the needless goofy voice mocking amd owners doesnt help his case. Right now my honest opinion as a neutral is framechasers looks unstable like his systems and it could be totally fake. His views number in the hundreds as well not the millions.

Someone wake me up when gamers nexus and digital foundry do a video on amdip. Until then its in my opinion likely not real. I bought the 7800x3d for esports and if i see any amdip ill be refunding the cpu its as simple as that.

Última edição por Rod; 18/set./2023 às 11:46

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Monk 18/set./2023 às 11:49

Thi k what you want and the 13900k doesn't pull 250w more lol.

It's there on any chart showing 0.1% lows and can be felt while gaming.

When they use automated testing and don't show those numbers, naturally you'll not see them.

Yes he can be erratic, those tests were done live on stream and the mocking is for those that have not tested stuff themselves but maje claims.

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