AM4 CPUs 5800X3D vs 5900X?

[OnSync]

Just out of curiosity. Anyone of you that have or had AMD Ryzen 7 1700X that upgraded to a better AM4 CPU like 5800X3D or latest 9 5900X/5950X CPUs?

Was it worth it and which CPU would you personally recommend for media and gaming?

[76561198343548661]

Ryzen 5900x/5950x are not great for gaming . x3d are very good , the best for gaming .

But it also depends on the GPU . If it s not too fast , your current CPU could be enough .

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smallcat eredeti hozzászólása:

Ryzen 5900x/5950x are not great for gaming . x3d are very good , the best for gaming .

But it also depends on the GPU . If it s not too fast , your current CPU could be enough .

I have RTX 2080 ROG STRIX OC, but thinking maybe getting a AMD GPU with more VRAM since I've heard that AMD cards nowadays actually have better price/value. Especially now that I play on 1440p. Was also thinking to play some VR games in the future, when Quest 3 comes out.

[Illusion of Progress]

It's a pretty substantial uplift. In per core performance, it's roughly as follows...

Ryzen 1000 series = Intel 6th/7th generation.
Ryzen 5000 series = Intel 11th generation
Ryzen 5000 X3D models = slightly above Ryzen 7000/Intel 12th generation on average (but the range is wider plus or minus)

That last one only applies to gaming (or other software that benefits from the extra cache). In non-gaming, it's just equal to the other 5000 series.

So considering you can go from something just barely pacing with Intel's quad core era stuff to something that outpaces everything but the latest 13th generation and 7000 series X3Ds... I'd say that's heck of an upgrade prospect for a same platform upgrade.

The early Ryzen generations were still working kinks out. AMD still wasn't yet competitive, so board manufacturers sort of gave those boards less focus and they suffered as a result, so BIOS/RAM support was often less solid. And by time Ryzen 3000 came, things had improved and the CCDs were 8 cores instead of 4 too, so latency got better. And this happened again (to a lesser degree) with Ryzen 5000 as the CCXs were now also 8 cores. Though, this only applies to the 8 core models or less. The ones above (read as, Ryzen 9) are still dual CCDs and can have latency penalties.

For gaming, on AM4...

5800X3D > 5600X3D (really close to the former) >>> Any Ryzen 5000 series >>> Any Ryzen 3000 seires >>> etc.

The 5800X3D is also cheaper than the Ryzen 9 5900X/5950X so it'd be awfully silly to spend more for less performance if you won't utilize the extra cores of the Ryzen 9. If you will, then obviously choose the Ryzen 9 as you'll get more performance in highly threaded situations from more cores over much less slightly faster cores, but you'll be trading off per core performance so be aware lightly threaded stuff will be a bit slower than on the X3D.

Two possible considerations/things to know.

Since you have a first generation Ryzen, if that's on a 300 series chipset board, you'll need to update to a BIOS version that drops support for your current 1000 series to get 5000 series support (and it's a one way thing as far as I know).

Also, what RAM speed do you have? Early generation boards were typically more finicky about supporting speeds above 2933 MHz or 3200 MHz (maybe more so with more DIMMs or ranks), whereas Ryzen 3000 and 5000 really like 3600 MHz speed RAM to get the most out of them due to the Infinity Fabric topping out just above 1800 MHz. So something like 3200 MHz RAM is fine but much below that and I'd say you're going to missing out on some of the potential performance (though the uplift will still be massive even in that case so don't let it discourage you). The X3D CPUs in particular "miss out less" with slower RAM though, reason being higher cache equals more cache hits equals fetching to RAM less equals RAM speed matters a tiny bit less.

[Wichtelman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3sbsJnbGHU

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@ Illusion of Progress
Thank you for a good reply. I have Crosshair 6 Hero X370 board with latest BIOS. My RAM is 16gb of G.Skill 3200, which is also max supported, so I can't really go above that.
For the pricing, I can actually get 5800X3D for the same price as 5900X, hence why this is somewhat a complicated decision for me. I mostly only game on my PC, but I do sometimes use it as a workstation for music/video/photo editing.

I could obv. just go ahead and build AM5 or switch back to Intel, but this is still cheaper to just get a new GPU/CPU and maybe increase 16>32GB RAM than rebuild the whole thing, especially that AM4 with latest CPU is somewhat on par with AM5.

Also small correction. At least on my board I only need latest BIOS, I can then install any supported CPU I want, so I can put my old CPU back if I want to.

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Wichtelman eredeti hozzászólása:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3sbsJnbGHU

The jump between my CPU and a non 3D 5800X is actually insane. Other reason why I was thinking to update my CPU is just I kinda feel like it has been having weird hiccups lately even on normal PC use like webbrowsing.

[Wichtelman]

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Wichtelman eredeti hozzászólása:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3sbsJnbGHU

The jump between my CPU and a non 3D 5800X is actually insane. Other reason why I was thinking to update my CPU is just I kinda feel like it has been having weird hiccups lately even on normal PC use like webbrowsing.

the ipc improvement is massive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HqE03SpdOs

[76561198343548661]

With your current GPU , upgrading to Ryzen 5800x3D would deliver from 0 to 25% performance uplift at 1440p . It s up to you whether the price can be justified .

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smallcat eredeti hozzászólása:

With your current GPU , upgrading to Ryzen 5800x3D would deliver from 0 to 25% performance uplift at 1440p . It s up to you whether the price can be justified .

Considering the fact that since I moved from 1080p to 1440p, I went from Ultra gaming to Low-Mid/High, and in some cases Ultra, depending on the game. So if it does boost 25%-ish, thats a nice upgrade I would take.

Also the price diff. for me between R7 5800X3D and R9 5900X is only 10e.

[76561198343548661]

For gaming purposes Ryzen 5900X is not worth it . In the past yes , but now no .
in gaming Ryzen 5900X = i5 12400F , Ryzen 5800X3D = i7 13700K

[Reaper]

smallcat eredeti hozzászólása:

For gaming purposes Ryzen 5900X is not worth it . In the past yes , but now no .
in gaming Ryzen 5900X = i5 12400F , Ryzen 5800X3D = i7 13700K

If I'm not mistaken only games that support the 3D cache will benefit and give you an fps boost. Last time I checked not a lot of games support 3D cache. So it might be better to just get the 5900x or to get the 5800x 3D if you don't need the extra cores and still want to benefit from the 3D cache.

[OnSync]

After going through bunch of videos, Im kinda starting to lean more towards 5900X.
The price as I mention is only 10€ difference. While 3D is def. strong gaming CPU, it is still very much limited in all other areas like video/photo editing, de-/compressions etc. It also feels a bit strange to "upgrade" from 8C to 8C, it's same if you upgraded 8GB GPU to 8GB GPU just newer.
Since I'm on the first Ryzen which used to be one of the best when it came out, I believe any newer Ryzen will be a huge boost to me anyway, but being on a more core/thread CPU just feels more safer, than being once again limited to gaming CPU only.

[Tiberius]

5950x if you can find a good deal

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Tiberius eredeti hozzászólása:

5950x if you can find a good deal

Difference between 5900 and 5950 is rather small to justify the price difference, hence I'm stuck between the other two.

[pasa]

We swapped the 2600x-es to 5600g and enjoy 30-45% speedup. Money well spent. These days the remaining AM4 things are dirt cheap where still around. 5800x33d is less than half of 7800x3d while the speed diff is 30# at best (and the am5 mobos are overcosted too) :-(

1700x was worth swapping even to 2700x, if your system is staying around and can use 5800x3d, and you can afford it, it's a very reasonable change.