i7 4790 ok for new titles?

[It's Chase]

I'm putting together a cheap PC for a friend. I have an old GTX 1080 and some Asus 1150 with 16gbs or RAM in it. Just need a CPU to complete the build.

Looking on ebay, i7 4790 are around $50. Can you even run anything on quad cores anymore? I'm thinking it might not be worth it.

[It's Chase]

Messaggio originale di ZeekAncient:

Oh, yeah....I misread....I thought it was a 4790K the OP had coupled with a 1080....not a 4790S. I mean, I don't know how much slower it will be compared to a 4790K, but it definitely is slower. Lower clocks, lower TDP, and it is locked. That means you will not be able to meaningfully OC it, which might be a must in 2022.

But I guess for the price, to each their own. But if it was a 4790K, or a even a 4770K, I wouldn't have a problem pairing it with a 1080 to play games. Obviously, as I have an OC'd 4770K and 1070 Ti in my second rig. However, I wouldn't want a 4790S, without the ability to OC today. But time will tell I guess.

Its just a 4790, not the S variant. Sorry for the confusion.

[ZeekAncient]

Messaggio originale di It's Chase:

Messaggio originale di ZeekAncient:

Oh, yeah....I misread....I thought it was a 4790K the OP had coupled with a 1080....not a 4790S. I mean, I don't know how much slower it will be compared to a 4790K, but it definitely is slower. Lower clocks, lower TDP, and it is locked. That means you will not be able to meaningfully OC it, which might be a must in 2022.

But I guess for the price, to each their own. But if it was a 4790K, or a even a 4770K, I wouldn't have a problem pairing it with a 1080 to play games. Obviously, as I have an OC'd 4770K and 1070 Ti in my second rig. However, I wouldn't want a 4790S, without the ability to OC today. But time will tell I guess.

Its just a 4790, not the S variant. Sorry for the confusion.

Ok, I mean it is still locked, so harder to OC, but at least the TDP and the clocks are closer to the 4790K. It is actually very similar to my stock 4770K. Honestly, I don't think you should see a problem having that paired with a 1080. In some CPU intensive games, you could run into some CPU bottleneck and limitations, but really that is with any setup. I really don't think that 4790 will hold the 1080 back much.

[xSOSxHawkens]

As I previously mentioned, and will now post with more detail:

4790s = power limited, which for the 4790s means 4Ghz boost with 3.2Ghz base and 65w TDP meaning base more than boost more often than not.

4790 = Regular non OC = 4Ghz boost and 3.6Ghz base and 84w TDP meaning boost more than base fairly often.

4790k = OC friendly top of the relative pack - 4.4Ghz boost and 4.0Ghz base and 88w TPD with OC ability, typically 4.4Ghz under most loads including all core and can often hit 4.6-4.8 all core on proper cooling and motherboard.

S is usable, but far form ideal for gaming. Still tons better than anything S model from the likes of SandyBridge when the clocks were *real* low. OP started with saying it was an S, now says its a regular. In either case it will do OK, in neither will it be perfect, but the S is the worst of the bunch hands down.

[NomNom]

My PC is rocking on 4790K, GTX 1080 G1 Gaming with 32GB DDR3 RAM since summer of 2016 IIRC. Games like Marvel Avengers, few areas of RDR 2 will struggle to hit 60 FPS at some point as the CPU becomes maxed out, while the GPU isn't being completely utilised. So, its dependent on the game you are going to play.

Most of the time, you will be fine playing games at 1080p 60 fps, its just those games that are CPU intensive, which will struggle to maintain 60 fps consistently. GTX 1080 is one hell of a GPU imo. I can still play games at 4K or near to 4K with acceptable frames per seconds without seeing noticeable drop in GPU performance over the years that I had this card.

[A&A]

isn't "T" worse? Only 45 TPD with the lowest boost clock and lower than S base clock and boost clock?

[ZeekAncient]

Messaggio originale di A&A:

isn't "T" worse? Only 45 TPD with the lowest boost clock and lower than S base clock and boost clock?

Correct. The 4790S has a TDP of 65W, a 3.2Ghz base clock, and a max turbo of 4.00Ghz, while the 4790T has a TDP of 45W, a 2.7Ghz base clock, and a max turbo of 3.90Ghz.

So, the 4790T is definitely the worst of the bunch. But I would try to avoid both the "S" and "T". I think that the 4790S stands for 4790 Slow, and 4790T stands for 4790 Tanked. While any Intel CPU with the "K" stands for Killing It!

So, my i7 10700KF stands for 10700 Killing It, F*** Integrated Graphics.

[mimizukari]

uhmmm no, K means you can overclock the CPU and that it's unlocked. KF means that it has no iGPU and KS means it's binned/very stable at higher overclocks.

[ZeekAncient]

Messaggio originale di deneb altair vega:

uhmmm no, K means you can overclock the CPU and that it's unlocked. KF means that it has no iGPU and KS means it's binned/very stable at higher overclocks.

Dude, you cannot be serious. You know I was kidding right? Trying to be funny. I thought it was pretty obvious.

I know what all the denominations mean. Although, I'm not sure if denominations is the right term there. Designations?

Oh, and "KF" means that it is unlocked AND has no iGPU. I really don't see the point of paying more for a "K" when you will be pairing it with a dGPU, when you can save money going for the "KF". The iGPU just goes to waste.

However, I guess it would be nice to have it in case the dGPU would crap the bed and you would need to do some troubleshooting.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Messaggio originale di ZeekAncient:

Messaggio originale di deneb altair vega:

uhmmm no, K means you can overclock the CPU and that it's unlocked. KF means that it has no iGPU and KS means it's binned/very stable at higher overclocks.

Dude, you cannot be serious. You know I was kidding right? Trying to be funny. I thought it was pretty obvious.

I know what all the denominations mean. Although, I'm not sure if denominations is the right term there. Designations?

Oh, and "KF" means that it is unlocked AND has no iGPU. I really don't see the point of paying more for a "K" when you will be pairing it with a dGPU, when you can save money going for the "KF". The iGPU just goes to waste.

However, I guess it would be nice to have it in case the dGPU would crap the bed and you would need to do some troubleshooting.

Aside from using it in terms of a dGPU failure, having an iGPU actually quite useful. Though mainly for use in streaming and or in video encode work.

For streaming the iGPU can be put to use to either encode the main stream and offload any load from the GPU of that (no matter how small the hit might be). Can also be used to setup a secondary stream at vastly different settings if one wanted to.

For Steam specifically, it supports setting the Intel GPU as the encoder for things like Steam Remote Streaming play to lesser devices. This would let you possibly use remote play while also possibly streaming the game, using main GPU to render and encode stream, while using igpu to encode remote play stream.

On the video work side you have yet another video endcode/decode device, which depending on your use case may or may not be impportant. I for example have allot of recorded gameplay 4K footage and if I am willing to sacrifice a bit of quality be running HW encodes used to use the igpu as an added encoder when ripping down from high bit rate.

[x]

4790 will be OK BUT ugrading to anything new even if its 'lower end' in the product lineup will gain significant performance. Even getting something older like a 3600x will be a huge upgrade

[ZeekAncient]

Dude, we were talking about the 4790 potentially bottlenecking the 1080, and now the PC has a 3080 in it? Ouch. Even at 4K, where CPU bottleneck will be largely eliminated, you will still run into CPU limitations in CPU heavy games, and horrible microstutter, even in GPU intensive games during CPU heavy parts.

And at 1440p or 1080p, forget it! To each their own, but I think it is a waste of money. Unless it is only temporary and you plan on building a new PC around the 3080, that 4790 will hold back that 3080 substantially. You will be lucky to get 50% GPU usage in some cases, scratching your head wondering why performance is not any better than the 1080. I think it is a waste.

[Flori the Fox]

Actually only in late 2021 I still had a setup i7-4790K + GTX 1080ti for my secondary PC. And I have to say I was very proud about how well this rock old CPU did with modern games in 1440p. First of all, ALL modern games will run on that CPU. And most games will run very well if you have coupled it with a strong GPU. However, there was only one game that never ran at proper 60FPS for me, and not even in 1080p, and that was Cyberpunk 2077. Replacing the 4790K with an i7-9700K did the trick for me. Also an old CPU by now, but still very powerful thanks to 8 cores without Hyperthreading and up to 4.6GHz on all cores. As much as i loved my good old 4790K, you should indeed consider replacing it soon. Does not need to be an expensive high-end CPU, but yeah, it might be the time for a change :)

[Vince ✟]

Up until 2 months ago I used a 4790k with a 1080 founders edition and had no issues playing games like GTA v and destiny 2. It was 100% viable with no problems other than having to sacrifice a few things with the vram in my settings.

Granted it is not top of the line but it is definitely higher end than what you might think.

I would not go above that with the graphics card &4790k.

You can easily bottleneck as others have said. I would suggest stopping at the 1080/3060ti

[Agent]

Messaggio originale di dabayb:

4790 will be OK BUT ugrading to anything new even if its 'lower end' in the product lineup will gain significant performance. Even getting something older like a 3600x will be a huge upgrade

Yep, more cores, more threads, more cache, and higher IPC. Clock speeds are about the same, but there's more to CPU's than that. Otherwise benchmarks wouldn't be showing a 40% increase in performance for newer CPU's when both are 4GHz.

[plat]

It seems (after looking online) that this cpu can boost to 4GHz. Would setting the Power Options to "high Performance" in Windows help? To avoid waste of elec. one can switch it back to "Balanced" when done if one remembers.

Sorry if this was mentioned already--I just skimmed thru a few pages.