Stun Amogus 12 ABR 2014 a las 1:47
4K monitor or graphics card?
I'm upgrading my pc but I can't decide if I should get a 4K moniotr first or if I should get a new graphics card first. I'm running on 2 5770's at the moment and I planned on upgrading to 2 R9 290X's. Thoughts?
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SilentHorizon 12 ABR 2014 a las 9:21 
Get a graphics card. Your Gpus will not even bee able to handle 4k gaming, one reason is your gpus probably only have 1GB of vram plus they just don't have the horsepower to do so.
russy23 12 ABR 2014 a las 11:37 
alot of what ive been reading says that there is no difference between 1080p and 4k, to the naked eye that is, and even if there was ud need a monster size tv to be able to see any difference..

so a monitor would be a waste of money surely, at the end of the day its up to whoever is buying it, but it rather get a top model 1080p monitor and put the rest towards a better gpu
Stun Amogus 12 ABR 2014 a las 12:18 
Thanks for the input guys. I think I will be going with the GPU upgrade first.
ZigZach 12 ABR 2014 a las 12:34 
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Publicado originalmente por time goblin:
furthermore if what you said was true and games only used 1 thread then there would be no point in buying anything about an i3.
Well. At least I understand - you know nothing not only about rendering itself, but about CPU architecture also...
Sorry, did not see any reason to argue with a cheerleader. No offence intended, but I'm a professional programmer.

I'm a professional programmer too... Man that was way easier than 4 years of school.

In regards to the actual subject(Not the AMD vs. Intel one) I'd say going with the GPU is a better upgrade now. Everyone should wait on 4k monitors.. We should all know by now thatjumping on the newest technology is foolish. In 1 year 4k displays will be much cheaper, better built, and easier to use with many different setups. If anyone out there chooses to suggest you upgrade to the newest technology they either A) have more money than they know how to spend wisely, B) are a complete idiot who constantly jumps on every new bandwagon to be "cool", or C) they don't have the technology they are so quick to suggest.
SilentHorizon 12 ABR 2014 a las 13:30 
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Thanks for the input guys. I think I will be going with the GPU upgrade first.

BTW... Why do you need 4k? I have a 1080P IPS monitor, and it looks so good to me that I'm 90% sure I'm not going to 4k in at least a couple of years.

Plus, it will save money too since soon all the new gpus will be designed for 4k, meaning that 1080P will be nothing for graphics cards of the future. Just 720P is now.
Stun Amogus 12 ABR 2014 a las 17:11 
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Publicado originalmente por ZRT Apocalypse:
Thanks for the input guys. I think I will be going with the GPU upgrade first.

BTW... Why do you need 4k? I have a 1080P IPS monitor, and it looks so good to me that I'm 90% sure I'm not going to 4k in at least a couple of years.

Plus, it will save money too since soon all the new gpus will be designed for 4k, meaning that 1080P will be nothing for graphics cards of the future. Just 720P is now.

I don't need it. It would just be nice to have. The new Samsung panel is great regardless of it being a TN panel. I'm not one to care if it is TN or IPS. But 4K gaming is nice so I think it would be a good luxury buy.
Bad 💀 Motha 12 ABR 2014 a las 17:13 
I would wait until prices drop for the displays. 4k should be much more affordable by either this Xmas, or sometime in 2015 perhaps. And u might want to look towards a 4k-HDTV for that, as 4k monitors will be much higher price points.

It just is not there yet and I would wait until better GPUs arrive.

If u are in need of a better GPU now to play well @ 1080/1440p then I would just get a good low/medium budget GPU that suits your needs for time being. Then when 4k is really an affordable option and more in on the market, then upgrade to much better high end GPU, such as GTX 880 or something along those lines. NVIDIA 800 series should be here before 2015 rolls around.
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mika 20 ABR 2014 a las 9:09 
Time Goblin-A gtx 690 is NOT faster then a R9 290X- What game are you talking about abyway that its faster>? They trade blows in alot of games, I can show you at least 10 games right off the top of my head that the 290 x is Faster then your 690!......It ,might win in some games sure but that dosent mean its faster its neck and neck with a Gpu half its price! Thats exactly what it means nothing else. Who in there right mind would get a 690 now for $1000 dollars and not the 290 x for $500?........ The 690 is Beastly card I admit it but its time in the limelight are OVER friend!
SilentHorizon 20 ABR 2014 a las 9:29 
Wow, your right fx 9370. I just looked it up and the r9 290X is faster than the 690. Hard to for me to believe.
time goblin 20 ABR 2014 a las 9:49 
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Time Goblin-A gtx 690 is NOT faster then a R9 290X- What game are you talking about abyway that its faster>? They trade blows in alot of games, I can show you at least 10 games right off the top of my head that the 290 x is Faster then your 690!......It ,might win in some games sure but that dosent mean its faster its neck and neck with a Gpu half its price! Thats exactly what it means nothing else. Who in there right mind would get a 690 now for $1000 dollars and not the 290 x for $500?........ The 690 is Beastly card I admit it but its time in the limelight are OVER friend!

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1184?vs=1056

please scroll up, the 690's are NOT $1000. they can be had for cheaper than the 290x.
mika 20 ABR 2014 a las 10:52 
They are at Retail $1000 Dollars the Gtx 690. At my work as well Retail price is $1000 plus tax!.......Visit Micro Center.com and check the prices for yourself if you dont believe me. Also Ive seen at a few games the 290x edges out the Gtx 690, now of course your gonna have games like Arkham city that favor Nvidia only so in that situation ull see Gtx 690 pulling away!.......Overall the R9 290X is just as fast as a gpu twice its price,thats a win no matter how you look at it or what side you favor. I like both camps and own both camps as well. Are you talking about used prices or New prices>? the 690 by EVGA is $1000 plus tax on new egg (NEW) And also by us same price. Of course they can be had for cheeper used,ive seen em used for $500-$600 on ebay and thats still not cheeper then the 290 x price sorry.
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time goblin 20 ABR 2014 a las 11:11 
Publicado originalmente por Fx 9370@5ghz:
They are at Retail $1000 Dollars the Gtx 690. At my work as well Retail price is $1000 plus tax!.......Visit Micro Center.com and check the prices for yourself if you dont believe me. Also Ive seen at a few games the 290x edges out the Gtx 690, now of course your gonna have games like Arkham city that favor Nvidia only so in that situation ull see Gtx 690 pulling away!.......Overall the R9 290X is just as fast as a gpu twice its price,thats a win no matter how you look at it or what side you favor. I like both camps and own both camps as well. Are you talking about used prices or New prices>? the 690 by EVGA is $1000 plus tax on new egg (NEW) And also by us same price. Of course they can be had for cheeper used,ive seen em used for $500-$600 on ebay and thats still not cheeper then the 290 x price sorry.

ok lets use an example where AMD has an advantage. BF4, the 690 is overall ~10fps faster than the 290x bear in mind this is THE game for the 290x and was designed with it in mind.
pricing wise a 690 can be had for £400-500. i bought mine new for £400 last autumn (around the 290x launch) and the 690 is cheaper and faster. Now granted the 290x can be had also for about £400 but it is still slower, uses about the same amount of power, runs much much hotter, noisier, plagued with low build quality issues.
Azza ☠ 20 ABR 2014 a las 11:24 
In 2016, Nvidia will be releasing a new line of graphic cards 'Pascal'...

This will replace the standard PCI-e 16x (16GB/s) slot on the motherboard with their own 80GB/s NV-Link, allowing for up to 5-12x greater performance bandwidth. Which will help greatly for true 4K.

DDR4 will also be released, replacing the DDR3 and doubling it's bandwidth while using lower voltage.

New motherboard will be required to work with most of this.

Win 9 will replace their crappy Win 8, with a smaller, cleaner, patched version which supports DirectX 12, etc. 100% of all DirectX 11 graphic cards from Nvidia will support Direct X 12. AMD however will only be about 33%, most of that going towards third party Mantle drivers instead, 12% being real DirectX 12.

Nvidia drivers currently on BETA greatly outperforms Mantle. They work at a hardware level, more than just software based. This means up to 71% performance boost in a few of the current graphic cards, mostly around the GTX 700s series and also with SLI setups.

Real 4K monitors for PCs should be released around this time, instead of UltraHD/4K (half true 4K) and a Nvidia Pascal card should be able to run them all smoothly or have tri-monitor setup just on a single card without the need of SLI. Game support will also be increased around this.

So your best bet is to wait off on the 4K and move to using Nvidia for best gaming performance and future proofing. AMD has given no idea in what they have planned or holding off on. However, Nvidia is actually currently holding back their good stuff, reducing the size and power usage currently. Expect the low end stuff to be released first.
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Bad 💀 Motha 20 ABR 2014 a las 13:35 
Not a 100% of NV DX11 GPUs...
NV 400 series supports DX11, but NVIDIA said that only GPUs dating back to the 500 series would be elegable/capable of DX12 support, when it arrives officially.

It is unclear though if Win7 will get any sort of DX12 update. Win8.1 however will get such an update, and Win9 will have this built-in and ready from the start. Some would suggest they might leave Win7 out of the mix from getting the update, but Vista originally only supported up to DX10 and then they patched it to support DX11, so IMHO I don't see why they'd leave Win7 users hanging in the wind, but again can't know til we reach that point in time.
time goblin 20 ABR 2014 a las 14:05 
i can guarantee that win7 will NOT get dx12, its already behind with 11.1 and 11.2 logic dictates that they arent going to randomly give it dx12
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