I'm purchasing a desktop from iBUYPOWER, and I was wondering on your opinions on this:

[fool,]

Case: NZXT Phantom 410 Gaming Case - White
Processor: AMD FX-8350 CPU (8x 4.00GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive: PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking
Processor Cooling:Liquid CPU Cooling System [AMD] - Standard 120mm Fan
Memory: 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - FREE Upgrade to DDR3-1866 ADATA XPG V2
Video Card:1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 - 4GB - Single Card
Free Stuff: [FREE] - GG Cruiser PC200-I Headset w/ large 57mm drivers for clear audio - FREE with any System ($29 Value)
Free Stuff: [FREE] - McAfee Antivirus PLUS 2014 - FREE with any System ($49 Value)
Free Stuff: [FREE Game Coupon] - Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Black List + Assassin Creed IV Black Flag - Free w/ purchase of GeForce GTX 660 or above
Free Stuff: [FREE Game Coupon] - Batman: Arkham Origins - Free w/ purchase of GeForce GTX 770 or above
Motherboard:ASUS M5A97 R2.0 -- AMD 970
Power Supply: 700 Watt - OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W - 80 PLUS, Modular
Primary Hard Drive: 2 TB HARD DRIVE -- 64M Cache, 7200rpm, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Optical Drive:[12x Blu-Ray] LG BLU-RAY Reader, DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive
Flash Media Reader / Writer: 1 x 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer
Sound Card: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card: Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
Operating System: Windows 8.1 + Office 365 Trial [Free 30-Day !!!] 64-bit

Is this a good build for the price of [$1319.19 USD] Including shipping and tax (California's 9.75 rate)?

[LongRoad]

No it is not , for this price range go with INTEL cpu-chipset and get a new 900 series graphics card if you choose nvidia..))

[˜lokkandload˜™]

They occupy two distinctly separate address in the same industrial park in CA. That doesn't make them the same company. CyberPowerPC is also in the process of relocating elsewhere. Compare for yourself with an online configurator, CyberPowerPC is far cheaper all day long.

BTW the LGA2011-3 is considered next gen since it will also support the new Broadwell-E Chip on the horizon for 2015....go do some research. The normal Skylake (slated for 2016) and Broadwell chips (both non E variants) will need LGA 1151 and 1150 respectively.

[_I_]

2011-3 is geared for server and workstation applications

it can do ok with games, but for gaming its beter to spend less on a cpu (1150 i5/i7) and more on a gpu (gtx 980)

[˜lokkandload˜™]

DirectX 12 changes that by pushing more rendering to CPU cores where multicore processing is a bigger factor with load balancing. So the CPU and GPU will share the load.

[Kate]

引用自 ~Dirt Na$ty~™：

EPIC, it amazes me at all the flamers/haters that have two pennies to throw in the pot about someone's build

Just to be clear, I said OP's build was really overpriced, yours is just what's expected of a pre-built (more than if you built it yourself, but nothing obscene).

[yberkurko]

引用自 ~Dirt Na$ty~™：

BTW the LGA2011-3 is considered next gen since it will also support the new Broadwell-E Chip on the horizon for 2015....go do some research. The normal Skylake (slated for 2016) and Broadwell chips (both non E variants) will need LGA 1151 and 1150 respectively.

LGA2011 had both sandy-e and ivy-e so there is nothing really new. Intel doesn't make new chipset for each enthusiast class cpu generation. If you are talking to me about doing research i have done it as computers are one of my hobbies. I like to read about new tech and make my own builds.

Ps. I seriously hope that you are wrong about DX12 and rendering with cpu as GPU's are made for rendering and do that much more efficiently than cpu. All i have read about DX12 is that it can utilize multiple threads more efficiently so cpu single thread performance should not have as big impact as it has now. That and more direct access to gpu resources.

Sorry everyone. Seems this derailed again. It would be best to have tech argument thread separately i guess xD

[˜lokkandload˜™]

Hmmm...I was into it as a hobby back in 95...now get paid quite well as an IT Administrator at one of the largest universities in the country. Really, I only do research about pc builds when I decided every few years whether to build one. I have a staff of techs that evaluate technology and the application in the enterprise environment mostly. I have CyberPowerPC build most of it because it's nice to have a 3 year full warranty, and really don't have as much time as I'd like to do a build. I have two kids playing sports at two different colleges and a freshman playing sports in HS. A lot of time traveling across country to games. I install all HDD, graphics card, and the OS any other peripherals I want to add after the build arrives. I used to build all my rigs..had been doing it for years.

Also, for a so called workstation build as this is considered, it runs every game I own, about 75 or so with all Origin and Ubisoft titles like a champ all day. I'll keep it!

[rotNdude]

http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer-Paladin-E840-TH

[˜lokkandload˜™]

Not a lot for the money there only 8Gbs ram and only a 64Gb SSD for what the OS only? Not sure what to think about the 970 with all the issues related to the ram, I see pending lawsuit for whoever made that mistake. Prefer ASUS but MSI might be second choice. I just don't see 1400 dollars worth of stuff there.

[rotNdude]

引用自 ~Dirt Na$ty~™：

Not a lot for the money there only 8Gbs ram and only a 64Gb SSD for what the OS only? Not sure what to think about the 970 with all the issues related to the ram, I see pending lawsuit for whoever made that mistake. Prefer ASUS but MSI might be second choice. I just don't see 1400 dollars worth of stuff there.

Most gamers only need 8Gb of RAM. I agree with the 64GB SSD, but it's a starting point. The GTX 970 crushes the GTX 960. Your selection of a 6 core at 3.3Ghz isn't the best choice for gaming. The one I selected is much better for gaming with 4GHz per core.

I have a GTX 970 and it's great. This memory issue is being blown out of proportion.

BTW, ibuypower and cyberpowerpc are owned by the same parent company. So, you take your pick on which you prefer buying from.

[CyberDown]

Get an unlocked (K series) i5 and a '70 series graphics card (like the GTX 670, 770, whatever) You would be just fine for years with a '60 series Nvidia card (660/960/ect) but the 70 will last longer before you need to start lowing game settings on future high graphic games.

That power supply unit isnt something i would use, but im willing to pay a lot more for a quality PSU. Consider a Corsair HX series if you want really reliable and efficient power.

If you must go amd, go all the way, get AMD CPU and GPU. Keep in mind that AMD drivers can mean issues in some games, they typically get optimized last over Nvidia. AMD CPU's typically preform worse than Intel, but are cheaper. Getting both AMD CPU and GPU means youll be able to take advantage of their Mantle tech down the road (if any developers make use of it at least)


Also, keep in mind shipping. Ibuy and Cyberpower are california companies. Also they tend to speed build the rigs. Give it a 25% chance youll be shipping your rig back. If you live in the midwest or east coast id suggest AVA Direct, which has a really poor website system compared to ibuy/cyber but are based out of cleveland. Shorter transit time is good considering how risky the trip is.

I had to return and refund my cyberpower build. They seemed way over booked with builds. Took them a month to tell me a case wasnt in stock vs telling me off the bat, so it took nearly three months for me to get my rig. When i got it....thermal paste all over the mobo...heatsink fan was jimmy rigged to the heatsink with zip ties on the front and loose and not connected in the back. The case was warped because they power drilled the case shut without the panel being properly aligned. The SSD wasnt operational, and they knew this, because they installed the OS on the HDD when it was very clear the SSD was the OS drive.

So im sure 75% of cyber/ibuy builds go without issue. They seemed to be to have too much business and rushed the build, being sloppy with it, and shipped what was obviously a computer that never went through their testing, or even a second look before shipping.

AVA got me my build in 3 weeks, pristine assembly, and when i ordered someone talked to me about some parts i wanted, saying stuff like "we get a decent amount of returns with issues for that specific power supply unit, weve never had an issue with this one, same brand and same price, go with that one" and also the rig booted to desktop (cyberpower you need to install windows yourself) with files from their burn in with results, so i know it got tested. Really crappy site though, hard to make a build since different starting points have different options for no reason.

[˜lokkandload˜™]

I'll pass on the 970...

[Alex704]

Build it yourself and save money. Also i would probably try to get a 990 chipset for the MOBO since its newer and try to get a 970 instead of the 770. I would also try to make some room in the budget for an ssd. It is something you would really like. If you haven't used a computer with flash memory there is nothing like it. Everything is lightning fast including boots. Really watch one video on how to build a computer and you can do all of this yourself and save a lot of money get the same parts at newegg and just see if the price difference is worth it. And if you build it then you know how to upgrade everything yourself going forward and don't have to
pay somepone to do it.

[Alex704]

Also i read that someon was saying not to get windows 8 because it is not a gaming platform an that the weakest intel is better the the stongest AMD. BNoth statements are simply not true. I run windows 8 and it games perfectly. I managed to get rid of the metro UI and i boot straight into the desktop. I'm also not saying that about AMD because im a fan boy my system is intel. Intel has stronger individual cores. If you could get an i5 over that processor such as a 4670k or a 4970k you would be better off. On that note AMD is still good and will work just fine. You will most likely want to get the free upgrade to windows 10 when it comes out to so you can take advantage of directx12

[Wampum Biskit]

引用自 rotNdude：

引用自 ~Dirt Na$ty~™：

Not a lot for the money there only 8Gbs ram and only a 64Gb SSD for what the OS only? Not sure what to think about the 970 with all the issues related to the ram, I see pending lawsuit for whoever made that mistake. Prefer ASUS but MSI might be second choice. I just don't see 1400 dollars worth of stuff there.

Most gamers only need 8Gb of RAM. I agree with the 64GB SSD, but it's a starting point. The GTX 970 crushes the GTX 960. Your selection of a 6 core at 3.3Ghz isn't the best choice for gaming. The one I selected is much better for gaming with 4GHz per core.

I have a GTX 970 and it's great. This memory issue is being blown out of proportion.

i have a 970 too , and no problems with it , it's blown way out of proportions imo , and honestly that class action lawsuit isn't gonna go anywhere either i don't think.

i do however had the 5820 , im happy with it ... put a wc kit on it and over clock it to 4+ , and you have 6 cores running at that speed...