Should I upgrade my motherboard for Overclocking?

[Willy]

Just recently , I've just upgraded my PC to a RX 5700 XT, Ryzen 7 3700x and to an AM4 B450 Asus TUF Motherboard. I'm contemplating if it's worth returning this Motherboard for something Higher End or if it's even worth going through the hassle.

[upcoast]

I don't believe it's necessary, what are you're clocks while gaming? use MSI afterburner to watch them onscreen.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-9-3900x-review,27.html

Ps, even my 2700x hangs around 4.1ghz during gaming with the stock Prism cooler.

[Willy]

Publicado originalmente por upcoast:

I don't believe it's necessary, what are you're clocks while gaming? use MSI afterburner to watch them onscreen.

Ps, even my 2700x hangs around 4.1ghz during gaming with the stock Prism cooler.

I'm at 4.25 almost all the time (gaming/idle), runs a lil hot. Gotta get the h100i water cooling to keep it down.

[upcoast]

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Some day I'll get that ^ for mine, I've never been a fan of water.

[FireGryph]

Not likely to see much gain at all, and almost certainly not worth the time and effort unless you truly enjoy tuning things like this. Ryzen already boosts to near its limit, and the extra little bit of mhz isn't going to give you noticable gains in most any game.
Besides, doesnt the 3700x have a single core boost clock of 4.4 anyways?

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Pointless to overclock Ryzens really, just put a decent cooling on it and they will boost themselves up as needed.

[ericcui1]

For Ryzen, enable PBO and that's about it. Manual overclocking won't give you any meaningful performance benefit. And B450 TUF is perfectly fine for 3700X.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por ericcui1:

For Ryzen, enable PBO and that's about it. Manual overclocking won't give you any meaningful performance benefit. And B450 TUF is perfectly fine for 3700X.

Bad idea.

Precision Boost Overdrive voids your warranty, and tries to sustain higher boost clocks for longer periods by raising power limits, but it's broken so normal PB is often better for Ryzen 3000, and it voids your warranty because it's unsafe.

TSMC's recommendation for their node is 1.3v, the Silicon Fitness (FIT) usually has a safe limit of around 1.325v. PBO is simply not good for the longevity of the CPU, it's better that people get the best OC they can at ~1.3v. Not to mention that boosting in general is pretty awful because it wastes a lot of it; my 3900X can run at much higher clocks at 1.3v all core than it normally runs in an all-core load at 1.3v stock.

Hardware Unboxed managed to kill their 3900X sample by overclocking it and using too much voltage.

Publicado originalmente por FireGryph:

Not likely to see much gain at all, and almost certainly not worth the time and effort unless you truly enjoy tuning things like this. Ryzen already boosts to near its limit, and the extra little bit of mhz isn't going to give you noticable gains in most any game.
Besides, doesnt the 3700x have a single core boost clock of 4.4 anyways?

1. The all-core frequency can outweigh the boost on a single core because it's consistent, boosting for 3000 is just all over the place so it needs CPPC Preferred Cores to work even remotely decently.
2. It's in a single-core load. Most of the time you're hardly going to see your single core boosting to its maximum.

Publicado originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

Pointless to overclock Ryzens really, just put a decent cooling on it and they will boost themselves up as needed.

There is a point, really. Stock and PBO aren't necessarily safe for the chip longevity because it's letting the CPU use much more voltage than it should. Chances are, people could have issues because their chips are using too much voltage.

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

Publicado originalmente por upcoast:

I don't believe it's necessary, what are you're clocks while gaming? use MSI afterburner to watch them onscreen.

Ps, even my 2700x hangs around 4.1ghz during gaming with the stock Prism cooler.

I'm at 4.25 almost all the time (gaming/idle), runs a lil hot. Gotta get the h100i water cooling to keep it down.

What voltage? Anything above 1.325v on all cores is not recommend for any all-core OC, and for TSMC's 7nm node, 1.3v is the flat limit. Anything more can easily degrade the silicon.

TL;DR
Regardless of what people thought was the best course, your best bet is in fact finding the best clocks you can get (all-core or per ccx) at ~1.325 volts. It's often going to be more consistent in heavier loads, you'll usually get better clocks than auto at the same voltage, and the higher single core boosting is not worth pumping excessive amounts of voltage into the chip, especially in high current loads.
My 3900X is running 4.3 GHz on CCX0, 4.4 on CCX1, 4.1 on CCX2, and 4.2 on CCX3, at 1.3v, and it performs much better under load and uses less voltage as what would be giving about 4.1 all-core at stock in an all-core load.

[Willy]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por ericcui1:

For Ryzen, enable PBO and that's about it. Manual overclocking won't give you any meaningful performance benefit. And B450 TUF is perfectly fine for 3700X.

Bad idea.

Precision Boost Overdrive voids your warranty, and tries to sustain higher boost clocks for longer periods by raising power limits, but it's broken so normal PB is often better for Ryzen 3000, and it voids your warranty because it's unsafe.

TSMC's recommendation for their node is 1.3v, the Silicon Fitness (FIT) usually has a safe limit of around 1.325v. PBO is simply not good for the longevity of the CPU, it's better that people get the best OC they can at ~1.3v. Not to mention that boosting in general is pretty awful because it wastes a lot of it; my 3900X can run at much higher clocks at 1.3v all core than it normally runs in an all-core load at 1.3v stock.

Hardware Unboxed managed to kill their 3900X sample by overclocking it and using too much voltage.

Publicado originalmente por FireGryph:

Not likely to see much gain at all, and almost certainly not worth the time and effort unless you truly enjoy tuning things like this. Ryzen already boosts to near its limit, and the extra little bit of mhz isn't going to give you noticable gains in most any game.
Besides, doesnt the 3700x have a single core boost clock of 4.4 anyways?

1. The all-core frequency can outweigh the boost on a single core because it's consistent, boosting for 3000 is just all over the place so it needs CPPC Preferred Cores to work even remotely decently.
2. It's in a single-core load. Most of the time you're hardly going to see your single core boosting to its maximum.

Publicado originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

Pointless to overclock Ryzens really, just put a decent cooling on it and they will boost themselves up as needed.

There is a point, really. Stock and PBO aren't necessarily safe for the chip longevity because it's letting the CPU use much more voltage than it should. Chances are, people could have issues because their chips are using too much voltage.

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

I'm at 4.25 almost all the time (gaming/idle), runs a lil hot. Gotta get the h100i water cooling to keep it down.

What voltage? Anything above 1.325v on all cores is not recommend for any all-core OC, and for TSMC's 7nm node, 1.3v is the flat limit. Anything more can easily degrade the silicon.

TL;DR
Regardless of what people thought was the best course, your best bet is in fact finding the best clocks you can get (all-core or per ccx) at ~1.325 volts. It's often going to be more consistent in heavier loads, you'll usually get better clocks than auto at the same voltage, and the higher single core boosting is not worth pumping excessive amounts of voltage into the chip, especially in high current loads.

Currently I'm running at 1.41 Volts. Which is a bit high.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Bad idea.

Precision Boost Overdrive voids your warranty, and tries to sustain higher boost clocks for longer periods by raising power limits, but it's broken so normal PB is often better for Ryzen 3000, and it voids your warranty because it's unsafe.

TSMC's recommendation for their node is 1.3v, the Silicon Fitness (FIT) usually has a safe limit of around 1.325v. PBO is simply not good for the longevity of the CPU, it's better that people get the best OC they can at ~1.3v. Not to mention that boosting in general is pretty awful because it wastes a lot of it; my 3900X can run at much higher clocks at 1.3v all core than it normally runs in an all-core load at 1.3v stock.

Hardware Unboxed managed to kill their 3900X sample by overclocking it and using too much voltage.


1. The all-core frequency can outweigh the boost on a single core because it's consistent, boosting for 3000 is just all over the place so it needs CPPC Preferred Cores to work even remotely decently.
2. It's in a single-core load. Most of the time you're hardly going to see your single core boosting to its maximum.


There is a point, really. Stock and PBO aren't necessarily safe for the chip longevity because it's letting the CPU use much more voltage than it should. Chances are, people could have issues because their chips are using too much voltage.


What voltage? Anything above 1.325v on all cores is not recommend for any all-core OC, and for TSMC's 7nm node, 1.3v is the flat limit. Anything more can easily degrade the silicon.

TL;DR
Regardless of what people thought was the best course, your best bet is in fact finding the best clocks you can get (all-core or per ccx) at ~1.325 volts. It's often going to be more consistent in heavier loads, you'll usually get better clocks than auto at the same voltage, and the higher single core boosting is not worth pumping excessive amounts of voltage into the chip, especially in high current loads.

Currently I'm running at 1.41 Volts. Which is a bit high.

WAY too high. You should never exceed 1.325v for an all-core OC on ANY CPU.

You are definitely causing a lot of harm to your chip at that voltage, you need to dial it down a lot.

[Willy]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

Currently I'm running at 1.41 Volts. Which is a bit high.

WAY too high. You should never exceed 1.325v for an all-core OC on ANY CPU.

You are definitely causing a lot of harm to your chip at that voltage, you need to dial it down a lot.

Specific reason why it's running so high? Because I've barely overclocked anything on my system.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

WAY too high. You should never exceed 1.325v for an all-core OC on ANY CPU.

You are definitely causing a lot of harm to your chip at that voltage, you need to dial it down a lot.

Specific reason why it's running so high? Because I've barely overclocked anything on my system.

Did you not set your voltage manually?

If you set the all-core to 4.2 GHz without setting voltage, you could be seriously damaging your CPU. You can actually kill the chip by doing that if it overshoots, HWUB did it with their 3900X.

[Willy]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

Specific reason why it's running so high? Because I've barely overclocked anything on my system.

Did you not set your voltage manually?

If you set the all-core to 4.2 GHz without setting voltage, you could be seriously damaging your CPU. You can actually kill the chip by doing that if it overshoots, HWUB did it with their 3900X.

I didn't set anything up which is the weird part. I didn't touch anything in MSI Afterburner for awhile.

[_I_]

depends on the cpu gen
most am3 were good to around 1.55v

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Did you not set your voltage manually?

If you set the all-core to 4.2 GHz without setting voltage, you could be seriously damaging your CPU. You can actually kill the chip by doing that if it overshoots, HWUB did it with their 3900X.

I didn't set anything up which is the weird part. I didn't touch anything in MSI Afterburner for awhile.

MSI afterburner is not the tool to be using for a CPU OC anyway. You're probably at stock then.

The tools to use for a CPU OC is BIOS, and in the case of Ryzen, Ryzen Master can be used as well.

If people actually care about the longevity of their Ryzen 3000 CPU, they should be running the best clocks they can at 1.3v to protect the lifespan of the chip. I've ran overclocks above 1.325v and my chip has never been able to sustain it for long; overclocks that I had no problems running for months suddenly stopped running stable and was never able to boot at those settings again.

[Willy]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por Willy:

I didn't set anything up which is the weird part. I didn't touch anything in MSI Afterburner for awhile.

MSI afterburner is not the tool to be using for a CPU OC anyway. You're probably at stock then.

The tools to use for a CPU OC is BIOS, and in the case of Ryzen, Ryzen Master can be used as well.

Alright. I'll try Ryzen Master and see if I can this Voltage down. Any tips?