AdahnGorion 16 серп. 2020 о 2:56
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The big GPU/Tech Rumours thread - Nvidia/AMD/Others - Is it worth to invest now? what news are here now? Feel free to debate
This thread has evolved a alot and has now become a New Runours on tech thread - It is primarily focused on GPU´s and it should stay that way. I will update the thread, whenever we have new information about newer GPU´s releasing. Feel free to debate some of the more catchy tech rumours as well.

I have reserved this field in our thread starter to keep current debates up and new information.
Atm.


2024/2025

Here are the official announcements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8&t=1496s
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-series/
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Varous information about the new 5000 series.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-unveils-new-geforce-rtx-5090-rtx-5080-rtx-5070-ti-and-rtx-5070-graphics-cards-at-ces-2025


We have started to see more information about the new Nvidia Blackwell GPU´s (5000´s series)

Here is a leak, not very interesting tbh.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/geforce-rtx-5000-specs-boring-leak
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-blackwell/



2023

We debate the 4000 series released and the ones that will release, a long with the rumours about the 5000 series, that is showcased to be the biggest leap in GPU history performance wise (like everytime ofc)

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-preps-mass-production-two-ad104-ada-gpus-possibly-geforce-rtx-4070-rtx-4060-ti/amp/


2021

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-increase-efficiency-of-chips-thirtyfold-by-2025
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-shows-off-geforce-rtx-with-noctua-cooler
https://winfuture.de/news,125475.html



So I figured we should have a thread about the new RTX 3xxx series, that is soon to release.
What is your feeling about it? Do you think some of the rumours are true? Are you upgrading?


The flagship seems to be a 3090 (I like them going back to the x90 tier)
https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

Personally I will not upgrade yet and even if I had to (I do not) I would still wait for prices to go down, early adoption is expenssive and often not worth it. But I am interested about what rumours might be true.

Some of the earlier rumours have suggested even higher GB numbers (from 16 and up) and performance claims have been all from 10-50% in effective speed and up to 60% in ray tracing inprovement.


I think it will be a 10-15% max in effective speed on each tier, but I do think we will see significant increases in the Ray Tracing spectrum.


Other sources (remember to take sources and numbers with a grain of salt)
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3000-launch-details-leak-and-amd-could-be-in-big-trouble
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69629/nvidia-ampere-gpu-50-faster-turing-half-power/index.html
https://www.gpumag.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3000-series/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-3080-rumors-news-release-date-performance/
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/08/10/nvidia-ampere-rtx-3000-everything-we-know-so-far/
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-graphics-card-pictured
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb
Pricing
https://www.techpowerup.com/271081/rumor-geforce-rtx-3090-pricing-to-arrive-around-the-usd-2-000-mark
https://www.neowin.net/news/alleged-rtx-3080-ti-rtx-3070-ti-launch-dates-have-leaked/

AMD - Big Navi

It will be interesting to see what AMD brings to the table. Personally I think they will go for the mid tier market and if they succeed then, we might see battles for the top tier next generation.

Rumours

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-navi-21-xt-graphics-card-specs-leak/
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/amd-navi-21-xt-xl-leak-suggests-an-over-2-0ghz-boost-clock/
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rumor-amds-navi-21-gpu-has-255-watts-tgp-and-boost-up-to-2-4-ghz.html
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi-21-xt-to-feature-2-3-2-4-ghz-game-clock-250w-tgp-and-16-gb-gddr6-memory
https://www.igorslab.de/en/3dmark-in-ultra-hd-benchmarks-the-rx-6800xt-without-and-with-raytracing/
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-alleged-3dmark-scores-hit-the-web
https://wccftech.com/intel-first-high-end-xe-hpg-dg2-gaming-graphics-pictured-rumored-specs-performance-rtx-3080-performance/amp/


Interesting stats about Big Navi

It seems like all will ship with atleast 16 GB, if that is true, that is surprising tbh.
Rumours talk about 2.4GHz clock on the Navi 21 XT. I think it will be pretty exciting to watch. We will know more in a week, once it gets revealed.


It seems that Nvidia is releasing a new series for miners and are changing the 3060, that will release on 25 of feb. Links below.
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-cmp-mining-cards-rtx-3060-half-hash-rate/
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-availability-crypto-mining-cmp-gpu
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

Various Rumours about hardware

https://videocardz.com/newz/bitmain-antminer-e9-ethereum-asic-is-as-powerful-as-32-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-cards
https://wccftech.com/mainstream-ddr5-memory-modules-pictured-rolling-out-for-mass-production/amp/



Do you want to show off your new build or even just your old build. Then you can do so at
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/5413843407449992305/

That is our benchmark thread. You are still free to debate hardware related stuff and new builds here ofc.
Автор останньої редакції: AdahnGorion; 8 січ. о 0:36
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Цитата допису CJM:
Video Games, once the affordable escapist distraction of the working class, now a relic of the 1%.
Lets not be overdramatic.

Ryzen 5700x + Radeon 6700XT 12GB + 16GB of DDR4 3600 doesn't cost a fortune and let you play all games at console or better visuals.

And that's for the newest AAA games. To play older games you can keep using whatever you have to write on forums.
Цитата допису C1REX:
Ryzen 5700x + Radeon 6700XT 12GB + 16GB of DDR4 3600 doesn't cost a fortune and let you play all games at console or better visuals.
Not all games.

The 16GB of RAM won't account for memory leaks breaking the minimum requirements.

The Ryzen 5700X is too slow for "performance mode" implementations. Console equivalent at an unstable sub-60 FPS is insufficient.

Maybe the Radeon 6700XT 12GB makes up for the slowness of the Ryzen 5700X, by allowing for a somewhat adequate "quality mode" resolution, but when one is talking VRAM limitations, they are generally giving side eye at NVIDIA and their "Pro Console equivalent" demographic.
Цитата допису CJM:
Цитата допису C1REX:
Ryzen 5700x + Radeon 6700XT 12GB + 16GB of DDR4 3600 doesn't cost a fortune and let you play all games at console or better visuals.
Not all games.

The 16GB of RAM won't account for memory leaks breaking the minimum requirements.

The Ryzen 5700X is too slow for "performance mode" implementations. Console equivalent at an unstable sub-60 FPS is insufficient.

Maybe the Radeon 6700XT 12GB makes up for the slowness of the Ryzen 5700X, by allowing for a somewhat adequate "quality mode" resolution, but when one is talking VRAM limitations, they are generally giving side eye at NVIDIA and their "Pro Console equivalent" demographic.
You still can play all games even if not at max settings. Console quality is not the end of the world and some people still use a weaker PC.
Ryzen 7700x + rtx5070 + 32GB 6000 won't break the bank and will be plenty fast for most people.
My comment was about gaming being available to 1%.
Цитата допису CJM:
Цитата допису C1REX:
Ryzen 5700x + Radeon 6700XT 12GB + 16GB of DDR4 3600 doesn't cost a fortune and let you play all games at console or better visuals.
Not all games.

The 16GB of RAM won't account for memory leaks breaking the minimum requirements.

The Ryzen 5700X is too slow for "performance mode" implementations. Console equivalent at an unstable sub-60 FPS is insufficient.

Maybe the Radeon 6700XT 12GB makes up for the slowness of the Ryzen 5700X, by allowing for a somewhat adequate "quality mode" resolution, but when one is talking VRAM limitations, they are generally giving side eye at NVIDIA and their "Pro Console equivalent" demographic.


what world do you live in??? my 5700x paired with a 3080 10GB is still hitting 150 frames plus in EVERYTHING at 1440p........2042 in 128 player rush will max both to 98% load and still be over 170 frames....

bashing on the best budget CPU released in the last 20 years gets you no where as it proves you dont know what your talking about.....


bet 5 bucks you dont know there is less then 50 frames between a 7800x3d and the 5700x when using a 4090 at 4k.......let me guess you dont know the numbers shown on youtube are 1080p.........:The_Slayer:
Цитата допису C1REX:
You still can play all games even if not at max settings.
Tell that to The Last of Us Part 1 at launch. lmao.

Choosing between slamming the RTX 4090 experience onto lesser hardware for a "heavier" experience, and graphics that would look shameful on integrated GPUs for that classic iGPU potato gaming experience, doesn't bode well.

Цитата допису C1REX:
Console quality is not the end of the world and some people still use a weaker PC.
Signs are all over that it is the end of Moore's Law. This implies that those weaker PCs aren't ancient relics, but the future. Why neglect the weaker PCs?

Цитата допису C1REX:
Ryzen 7700x + rtx5070 + 32GB 6000 won't break the bank and will be plenty fast for most people.
My comment was about gaming being available to 1%.
Define not breaking the bank.

How much faster can a 7700x be from a 5700x anyway. I would expect the RTX 5070 to be better than an RX 6700XT, but maybe not worth the upgrade cost.


Цитата допису smokerob79:
what world do you live in???
That is what I'm saying.

Цитата допису smokerob79:
my 5700x paired with a 3080 10GB is still hitting 150 frames plus in EVERYTHING at 1440p........
Everything??? Play some 8th Gen breakers and get back to me. Does your Frame-Gen really hold a solid 150+? AMD AFMF2 breaks if I don't get a locked 60 baseline.

Цитата допису smokerob79:
2042 in 128 player rush will max both to 98% load and still be over 170 frames....
Battlefield 2042 is a Cross-Gen release, having been released on the PS4 and XBox ONE, which means it is inherently optimized. This isn't a modern "9th Gen" game. It is a first person shooter, so higher frame rates would also cater to the demographic.

Цитата допису smokerob79:
bet 5 bucks you dont know there is less then 50 frames between a 7800x3d and the 5700x when using a 4090 at 4k.......
Link for review.

My initial reaction is that the 7800X3D is a lousy mid-range CPU at only 50 frames difference. It might compensate for developer and publisher inadequacy on the console optimization side of things.
With Windows + Hogwarts Legacy running, the system reports ~20GB of ram used. That's not going up over time, that's just what it uses. 16GB ram isn't enough anymore.
Цитата допису AbedsBrother:
With Windows + Hogwarts Legacy running, the system reports ~20GB of ram used. That's not going up over time, that's just what it uses. 16GB ram isn't enough anymore.

H:L is a special case. It was not and still is not optimized for PC in many aspects.
Its never a good idea to use Ports as a guide for actual performance or avarge needs.

A console have no dedicated vram ie. It have only shared system ram, that it can allocate..
H:L had an issue where it allocate all your vram, all your ram and then went bananas... in some situations it would draw all vram for those with 12 or below... (without reason) this was patched, but the ram still had issues... but we talk about 4k and everything on highest setting with RT...

People that play 1080p or even 1440p does not have this issue (I have 32gb ram, but never saw a draw above 12gb... with 1440p after the patch)
Цитата допису AdahnGorion:
H:L is a special case.
Hogwarts Legacy is not so special a case in 2025.


Цитата допису AdahnGorion:
It was not and still is not optimized for PC in many aspects.
Its never a good idea to use Ports as a guide for actual performance or avarge needs.
It is never a good idea to use the games you will play as a guide for actual performance or average needs?

What am I supposed to do then, measure performance against the games I do not own or play and assume that a poorly optimized port will somehow magically perform equal to or better than on its "native" console?

One of the aspects of PC Gaming is to compensate for shoddy "native" console ports, by taking advantage of Moore's Law making upgraded hardware available for the PC Port to perform at console adequate performance standards not present on the literal console port.
Автор останньої редакції: CJM; 15 січ. о 16:55
Цитата допису CJM:
Цитата допису AdahnGorion:
H:L is a special case.
Hogwarts Legacy is not so special a case in 2025.


Цитата допису AdahnGorion:
It was not and still is not optimized for PC in many aspects.
Its never a good idea to use Ports as a guide for actual performance or avarge needs.
It is never a good idea to use the games you will play as a guide for actual performance or average needs?

What am I supposed to do then, measure performance against the games I do not own or play and assume that a poorly optimized port will somehow magically perform equal to or better than on its "native" console?

One of the aspects of PC Gaming is to compensate for shoddy "native" console ports, by taking advantage of Moore's Law making upgraded hardware available for the PC Port to perform at console adequate performance standards not present on the literal console port.

It is never a good idea to use console games as a PC performance test no..
Its like trying to use a PC game ported to Console as a Console marked... imagine if we had done that with CP2077, by that argument, consoles were non functional and low quality.

The point I am putting across, is that the vast majority of games does not need the claims you try to put out and in the few cases we have its either console ports that were not optimized or Star Citizen.
Цитата допису AdahnGorion:
Цитата допису AbedsBrother:
With Windows + Hogwarts Legacy running, the system reports ~20GB of ram used. That's not going up over time, that's just what it uses. 16GB ram isn't enough anymore.

H:L is a special case. It was not and still is not optimized for PC in many aspects.
You can say "that's an exception and shouldn't count" except it does count, Hogwarts Legacy was the most popular single-player game of 2023. If anyone wants to play it, 16GB ram won't get the job done without issues.
Цитата допису AbedsBrother:
Цитата допису AdahnGorion:

H:L is a special case. It was not and still is not optimized for PC in many aspects.
You can say "that's an exception and shouldn't count" except it does count, Hogwarts Legacy was the most popular single-player game of 2023. If anyone wants to play it, 16GB ram won't get the job done without issues.

Not in terms of overall players, only in terms of peak (that was 4k higher than BG3)
Nobody is saying that console games for the mainstream are not popular on PC (they are) but when you take one or two of them that had so many issues and then claim that its because PC performance is problematic its hillarious...

H:L does not use the amount of ram you say anymore... besides... a PS5 (the platform its made for) only have 16gb shared ram.
In which universe is hogwarts legacy not playable with 16gb of ram?
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Цитата допису Tiberius:
In which universe is hogwarts legacy not playable with 16gb of ram?
The real universe. Unless you're ok with stutter, in which case have at it.

https://youtu.be/mklCPWNyJC0?si=ZyaqIbBbtRgUlCW2
Цитата допису AdahnGorion:
Цитата допису AbedsBrother:
You can say "that's an exception and shouldn't count" except it does count, Hogwarts Legacy was the most popular single-player game of 2023. If anyone wants to play it, 16GB ram won't get the job done without issues.

Not in terms of overall players, only in terms of peak (that was 4k higher than BG3)
Nobody is saying that console games for the mainstream are not popular on PC (they are) but when you take one or two of them that had so many issues and then claim that its because PC performance is problematic its hillarious...

H:L does not use the amount of ram you say anymore... besides... a PS5 (the platform its made for) only have 16gb shared ram.
Reason it however you want. If you tell people "16GB ram is enough for modern games" - implying any game from current year will run on 16Gb WITHOUT ISSUES - you're lying, it's that simple. Hogwarts Legacy isn't the only example - Returnal and to a lesser extent Forspoken have similar issues - but because of its popularity Hogwarts Legacy is the most obvious comparison to make.
Цитата допису AbedsBrother:
Цитата допису AdahnGorion:

Not in terms of overall players, only in terms of peak (that was 4k higher than BG3)
Nobody is saying that console games for the mainstream are not popular on PC (they are) but when you take one or two of them that had so many issues and then claim that its because PC performance is problematic its hillarious...

H:L does not use the amount of ram you say anymore... besides... a PS5 (the platform its made for) only have 16gb shared ram.
Reason it however you want. If you tell people "16GB ram is enough for modern games" - implying any game from current year will run on 16Gb WITHOUT ISSUES - you're lying, it's that simple. Hogwarts Legacy isn't the only example - Returnal and to a lesser extent Forspoken have similar issues - but because of its popularity Hogwarts Legacy is the most obvious comparison to make.

I said 16gb is enough if you wanna play 1080p and don´t slide everything to ultra with RT and FG on.... Even 1440p will be fine for most cases.
If you want to play 1440p or 4k or crank everything up... then sure.. but nobody that have the hardware to do so will have 16gb anyway.

People will be fine if they just casually game and don´t slide right.
Did anyone even play Forsaken? was it like 10k sales on pc in total?... rofl.-
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