The big GPU/Tech Rumours thread - Nvidia/AMD/Others - Is it worth to invest now? what news are here now? Feel free to debate

[AdahnGorion]

This thread has evolved a alot and has now become a New Runours on tech thread - It is primarily focused on GPU´s and it should stay that way. I will update the thread, whenever we have new information about newer GPU´s releasing. Feel free to debate some of the more catchy tech rumours as well.

I have reserved this field in our thread starter to keep current debates up and new information.
Atm.


2024/2025

Here are the official announcements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8&t=1496s
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-series/
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Varous information about the new 5000 series.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-unveils-new-geforce-rtx-5090-rtx-5080-rtx-5070-ti-and-rtx-5070-graphics-cards-at-ces-2025


We have started to see more information about the new Nvidia Blackwell GPU´s (5000´s series)

Here is a leak, not very interesting tbh.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/geforce-rtx-5000-specs-boring-leak
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-blackwell/



2023

We debate the 4000 series released and the ones that will release, a long with the rumours about the 5000 series, that is showcased to be the biggest leap in GPU history performance wise (like everytime ofc)

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-preps-mass-production-two-ad104-ada-gpus-possibly-geforce-rtx-4070-rtx-4060-ti/amp/


2021

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-increase-efficiency-of-chips-thirtyfold-by-2025
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-shows-off-geforce-rtx-with-noctua-cooler
https://winfuture.de/news,125475.html



So I figured we should have a thread about the new RTX 3xxx series, that is soon to release.
What is your feeling about it? Do you think some of the rumours are true? Are you upgrading?


The flagship seems to be a 3090 (I like them going back to the x90 tier)
https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

Personally I will not upgrade yet and even if I had to (I do not) I would still wait for prices to go down, early adoption is expenssive and often not worth it. But I am interested about what rumours might be true.

Some of the earlier rumours have suggested even higher GB numbers (from 16 and up) and performance claims have been all from 10-50% in effective speed and up to 60% in ray tracing inprovement.


I think it will be a 10-15% max in effective speed on each tier, but I do think we will see significant increases in the Ray Tracing spectrum.


Other sources (remember to take sources and numbers with a grain of salt)
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3000-launch-details-leak-and-amd-could-be-in-big-trouble
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69629/nvidia-ampere-gpu-50-faster-turing-half-power/index.html
https://www.gpumag.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3000-series/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-3080-rumors-news-release-date-performance/
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/08/10/nvidia-ampere-rtx-3000-everything-we-know-so-far/
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-graphics-card-pictured
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb
Pricing
https://www.techpowerup.com/271081/rumor-geforce-rtx-3090-pricing-to-arrive-around-the-usd-2-000-mark
https://www.neowin.net/news/alleged-rtx-3080-ti-rtx-3070-ti-launch-dates-have-leaked/

AMD - Big Navi

It will be interesting to see what AMD brings to the table. Personally I think they will go for the mid tier market and if they succeed then, we might see battles for the top tier next generation.

Rumours

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-navi-21-xt-graphics-card-specs-leak/
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/amd-navi-21-xt-xl-leak-suggests-an-over-2-0ghz-boost-clock/
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rumor-amds-navi-21-gpu-has-255-watts-tgp-and-boost-up-to-2-4-ghz.html
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi-21-xt-to-feature-2-3-2-4-ghz-game-clock-250w-tgp-and-16-gb-gddr6-memory
https://www.igorslab.de/en/3dmark-in-ultra-hd-benchmarks-the-rx-6800xt-without-and-with-raytracing/
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-alleged-3dmark-scores-hit-the-web
https://wccftech.com/intel-first-high-end-xe-hpg-dg2-gaming-graphics-pictured-rumored-specs-performance-rtx-3080-performance/amp/


Interesting stats about Big Navi

It seems like all will ship with atleast 16 GB, if that is true, that is surprising tbh.
Rumours talk about 2.4GHz clock on the Navi 21 XT. I think it will be pretty exciting to watch. We will know more in a week, once it gets revealed.


It seems that Nvidia is releasing a new series for miners and are changing the 3060, that will release on 25 of feb. Links below.
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-cmp-mining-cards-rtx-3060-half-hash-rate/
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-availability-crypto-mining-cmp-gpu
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

Various Rumours about hardware

https://videocardz.com/newz/bitmain-antminer-e9-ethereum-asic-is-as-powerful-as-32-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-cards
https://wccftech.com/mainstream-ddr5-memory-modules-pictured-rolling-out-for-mass-production/amp/



Do you want to show off your new build or even just your old build. Then you can do so at
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/5413843407449992305/

That is our benchmark thread. You are still free to debate hardware related stuff and new builds here ofc.

[Sigma957]

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The GTX 1050 isn't entry level anymore, that isn't debatable, you said it yourself that the VRAM kills it. 2GB isn't enough anymore, the bare minimum for modern games is between 4 and 8 depending on the game.

Entry Level isn't always supported by modern games. The GTX 970 doesn't even have a proper 4GB, it is 3.5GB.

8GB is what NVIDIA is still putting on RTX 4060 series GPUs. AMD's RX 6600 is an 8GB card. These are mid-range cards, with mid-range VRAM capacities.

The GTX 1050 still classifies as entry level. Horizon: Zero Dawn requires an RX 780 3GB. The Witcher 3 requires a GeForce GTX 660 2GB. Red Dead Redemption 2 requires NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 2GB.

Read Dead Redemption 2 was released in 2018. Its requirements were built around the PlayStation 4 and XBox ONE. EA's Formula 1 2022 (F1 22) was released on PS4. Meaning that even up to two years ago the PlayStation 4 was still "Entry Level".

The Nintendo Switch still exists and has not been replaced, as another argument for Entry Level. Several of its games are remasters of XBox 360 and PlayStation 3 games. Such games still have a market in 2024.

The Entry Level status of the GTX 1050 is debatable.

There is no RX 780. RX 580 yes followed by the RX 5700 but no RX 780.

[⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝ UFO]

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Entry Level isn't always supported by modern games. The GTX 970 doesn't even have a proper 4GB, it is 3.5GB.

8GB is what NVIDIA is still putting on RTX 4060 series GPUs. AMD's RX 6600 is an 8GB card. These are mid-range cards, with mid-range VRAM capacities.

The GTX 1050 still classifies as entry level. Horizon: Zero Dawn requires an RX 780 3GB. The Witcher 3 requires a GeForce GTX 660 2GB. Red Dead Redemption 2 requires NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 2GB.

Read Dead Redemption 2 was released in 2018. Its requirements were built around the PlayStation 4 and XBox ONE. EA's Formula 1 2022 (F1 22) was released on PS4. Meaning that even up to two years ago the PlayStation 4 was still "Entry Level".

The Nintendo Switch still exists and has not been replaced, as another argument for Entry Level. Several of its games are remasters of XBox 360 and PlayStation 3 games. Such games still have a market in 2024.

The Entry Level status of the GTX 1050 is debatable.

There is no RX 780. RX 580 yes followed by the RX 5700 but no RX 780.

I think they mean Radeon 780m
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-780M-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.680539.0.html

[CJM]

Too many similar GPU names. The Horizon System requirements are for an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 (3GB), or an AMD Radeon R9 290.

So it was actually supposed to be the NVIDIA card.

[plat]

Love it or hate it, and call its products every name in the book, NV is on fire right now. Its fourtyh quarter profits are mind-blowing. What do you all think the bulk of its revenue comes from? Data centers? AI? I couldn't quite glean it from this article.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-corp-nvda-shatters-records-215227111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Edit: ah, wait, I see the automotive industry is also factoring into its profits. Wow!

[r.linder]

A lot of it seems to be from machine learning, their top end for that costs 10x more than the x90 tier

[Illusion of Progress]

Yes, the consumer and gaming sector isn't the big driving force for nVidia right now.

At the same time, AMD can't match them in raw performance nor consumer preference, and nVidia practically has nearly entire control of that landscape. Whether or not it's your current most important profit driver, you don't just throw away your lead in a market, especially one that was very historically important and still was until very recently, and might still be important later on.

nVidia is, coincidental to its naming roots, in one of the most envious positions a company can possibly be in. That is, they have complete control of a market that isn't direly important to them, with a competitor that's not threatening to change that, and they have bigger profit guarantees for the foreseeable future, so this affords them the opportunity to push the boundaries of what consumers will accept (in regards to pricing and cutting chips down). Where else are they going to go? nVidia knows gamers eat up whatever it puts out, and AMD isn't looking to threatening that, nor is Intel. Not in the immediate future, anyway. nVidia is playing on easy mode for now because they know the market will flock to them regardless.

And selling them for less makes even less sense when they can instead allocate more production time to the big sellers that have a higher profit market. Even the profit of an RTX 4090 is peanuts compared to the big ones.

[A&A]

If AMD wants to compete with Nvidia, they can do it, but they don't seem to want to.

[plat]

NV is in the extremely rarefied company of monopolistic giants: Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Ten Cent--among others.

All roads on the Internet somehow lead back to one or more of these.

I just read somewhere the performance of the rtx 4070 super can rival that of the rtx 3090 but at much less than half the cost. Yes, the 3090 has 24 GB vram but...the 4070 and super are giving it a run for its money. 4070 is say: 550 USD, the 4070 super is slightly more and the 3090 is around 1600 USD, using Amazon as reference.

It might pay to read more on these things rather that going by vram alone to make your decision, right?

Edited the 4070 price, it fell by about 50 USD give or take.

https://www.pcguide.com/gpu/rtx-4070-super-vs-rtx-3090/

Take it or leave it. But I would not give the rtx 3090 a second glance by now.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

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NV is in the extremely rarefied company of monopolistic giants: Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Ten Cent--among others.

You forgot to mention STEAM.
Which is also a monopoly - according to your definition, right?

Just because a company has larger market share, doesn't make it a monopoly.

if people are buying APPLE phone more than any other brands, it's people's choice that they prefer Apple.

If there are 5 restaurants in a row, and one restaurant has more customers than others, it's not monopoly. It's just reflection of public opinion that they prefer one over others.

[C1REX]

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If AMD wants to compete with Nvidia, they can do it, but they don't seem to want to.

I’m sure they really want but can’t. They don’t know how.
The gap in performance between 5090 and whatever AMD will do will be astronomical. Especially when you consider the difference in ray tracing and upscaling quality.

Hopefully AMD can compete in 5060 and 5070 range.

[C1REX]

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NV is in the extremely rarefied company of monopolistic giants: Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Ten Cent--among others.

You forgot to mention STEAM.
Which is also a monopoly - according to your definition, right?

Just because a company has larger market share, doesn't make it a monopoly.

75% market share is often considered as a monopoly. Some see steam as one and some don’t. As a player I see no alternative to steam at the moment. Many games I play are available only on steam.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez 🦜Cloud Boy🦜:

You forgot to mention STEAM.
Which is also a monopoly - according to your definition, right?

Just because a company has larger market share, doesn't make it a monopoly.

75% market share is often considered as a monopoly. Some see steam as one and some don’t. As a player I see no alternative to steam at the moment. Many games I play are available only on steam.

You are confusing ''business success'' with MONOPOLY.

Everybody has the right to run their business successfully and get more customers for their company. There is NOTHING wrong to it.

Steam has nothing to do with it if some games are exclusive to Steam.
Steam has same rules for everybody.

It's the developers decision that they put their games on steam and not on other platforms.
Because steam is cheap and easily accessible for all kinds of developers, especially indie or small developers, or for any other reasons.

[r.linder]

Steam isn’t a company, it’s the software, Valve is the corporation and they’re a far cry from being a bad one because they’ve done a lot to help PC gaming.

[plat]

What does Valve have to do with NV's status as a virtual monopoly in its market niche? Shoot, half the time even Intel and AMD don't get mentioned in the same paragraph as NVIDIA any more. Let's compare Valve with Microsoft. No on second thought, let's not.

It's OK to have issues with monopolies in general, though. They need all the checks and balances one can get. ,Look at Google. Billions in fines just within the past few years.

[Illusion of Progress]

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If AMD wants to compete with Nvidia, they can do it, but they don't seem to want to.

I'm not sure I agree. They don't seem to be able to consistently (if at all) match nVidia in neither raw performance or consumer preference. The consistency is an important bit; the RX 6000 series was right there with nVidia, but it will take consistency with how nVidia has the market and consumer preference (or mind share, if you will) overwhelmingly leaning their way. Of course, that doesn't mean they're totally out. They can certainly put out products that compete in price/performance further down the stack, yes, and I'd argue that matters more anyway since that's where the big sellers are... but consumers pay attention to the top and presume it translates down the stack, even if it doesn't and the lower product is a worse value to the alternative. Brand recognition is a thing (Samsung with SSDs says hi here). Many consumers are lazy and won't want to research a handful of individual factors. They go with what's more safe to be "good enough".

An interesting thing I recall is that AMD (referring to GPUs) used to try and compete more on being more aggressive with value (maybe around the early 2010s or something?) and while it gained them market share, it lost them profits.

Though, I'm not sure what the answer is then, because ceding as much market share as they have since then doesn't seem to be a winning strategy either.