The big GPU/Tech Rumours thread - Nvidia/AMD/Others - Is it worth to invest now? what news are here now? Feel free to debate

[AdahnGorion]

This thread has evolved a alot and has now become a New Runours on tech thread - It is primarily focused on GPU´s and it should stay that way. I will update the thread, whenever we have new information about newer GPU´s releasing. Feel free to debate some of the more catchy tech rumours as well.

I have reserved this field in our thread starter to keep current debates up and new information.
Atm.


2024/2025

Here are the official announcements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8&t=1496s
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-series/
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Varous information about the new 5000 series.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-unveils-new-geforce-rtx-5090-rtx-5080-rtx-5070-ti-and-rtx-5070-graphics-cards-at-ces-2025


We have started to see more information about the new Nvidia Blackwell GPU´s (5000´s series)

Here is a leak, not very interesting tbh.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/geforce-rtx-5000-specs-boring-leak
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-blackwell/



2023

We debate the 4000 series released and the ones that will release, a long with the rumours about the 5000 series, that is showcased to be the biggest leap in GPU history performance wise (like everytime ofc)

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-preps-mass-production-two-ad104-ada-gpus-possibly-geforce-rtx-4070-rtx-4060-ti/amp/


2021

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-increase-efficiency-of-chips-thirtyfold-by-2025
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-shows-off-geforce-rtx-with-noctua-cooler
https://winfuture.de/news,125475.html



So I figured we should have a thread about the new RTX 3xxx series, that is soon to release.
What is your feeling about it? Do you think some of the rumours are true? Are you upgrading?


The flagship seems to be a 3090 (I like them going back to the x90 tier)
https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

Personally I will not upgrade yet and even if I had to (I do not) I would still wait for prices to go down, early adoption is expenssive and often not worth it. But I am interested about what rumours might be true.

Some of the earlier rumours have suggested even higher GB numbers (from 16 and up) and performance claims have been all from 10-50% in effective speed and up to 60% in ray tracing inprovement.


I think it will be a 10-15% max in effective speed on each tier, but I do think we will see significant increases in the Ray Tracing spectrum.


Other sources (remember to take sources and numbers with a grain of salt)
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3000-launch-details-leak-and-amd-could-be-in-big-trouble
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69629/nvidia-ampere-gpu-50-faster-turing-half-power/index.html
https://www.gpumag.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3000-series/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-3080-rumors-news-release-date-performance/
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/08/10/nvidia-ampere-rtx-3000-everything-we-know-so-far/
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-graphics-card-pictured
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb
Pricing
https://www.techpowerup.com/271081/rumor-geforce-rtx-3090-pricing-to-arrive-around-the-usd-2-000-mark
https://www.neowin.net/news/alleged-rtx-3080-ti-rtx-3070-ti-launch-dates-have-leaked/

AMD - Big Navi

It will be interesting to see what AMD brings to the table. Personally I think they will go for the mid tier market and if they succeed then, we might see battles for the top tier next generation.

Rumours

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-navi-21-xt-graphics-card-specs-leak/
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/amd-navi-21-xt-xl-leak-suggests-an-over-2-0ghz-boost-clock/
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rumor-amds-navi-21-gpu-has-255-watts-tgp-and-boost-up-to-2-4-ghz.html
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi-21-xt-to-feature-2-3-2-4-ghz-game-clock-250w-tgp-and-16-gb-gddr6-memory
https://www.igorslab.de/en/3dmark-in-ultra-hd-benchmarks-the-rx-6800xt-without-and-with-raytracing/
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-alleged-3dmark-scores-hit-the-web
https://wccftech.com/intel-first-high-end-xe-hpg-dg2-gaming-graphics-pictured-rumored-specs-performance-rtx-3080-performance/amp/


Interesting stats about Big Navi

It seems like all will ship with atleast 16 GB, if that is true, that is surprising tbh.
Rumours talk about 2.4GHz clock on the Navi 21 XT. I think it will be pretty exciting to watch. We will know more in a week, once it gets revealed.


It seems that Nvidia is releasing a new series for miners and are changing the 3060, that will release on 25 of feb. Links below.
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-cmp-mining-cards-rtx-3060-half-hash-rate/
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-availability-crypto-mining-cmp-gpu
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

Various Rumours about hardware

https://videocardz.com/newz/bitmain-antminer-e9-ethereum-asic-is-as-powerful-as-32-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-cards
https://wccftech.com/mainstream-ddr5-memory-modules-pictured-rolling-out-for-mass-production/amp/



Do you want to show off your new build or even just your old build. Then you can do so at
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/5413843407449992305/

That is our benchmark thread. You are still free to debate hardware related stuff and new builds here ofc.

[Monk]

Escrito originalmente por Omega:

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Tbh it is all silly.... they should have labelled their cards "4k edition"

But then nobody would buy them.... just imagine those 1080p users that buys a 3080 with 20gb with their 2 generation old CPU, MB and then expect to run every single game on ultra with 100 fps...... This is what it will lead too.. in some months, you will see people complain about badly optimized games.... because they don´t understand what they are buying and should expect.

Nvidia labled their Titans as GTX/RTX and people are now buying them.

People 5 years ago: A Titan is not for gaming.
People now: The RTX 3090 and 2080 ti are fine gaming card.

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

With current amount of ram, we are close to just going the console route (just sharing ram between GPU and system) because these numbers are silly.

If you have an APU your system is already doing this.

There is a big difference there with the titans of old, they didn't have a significant performance increase, same with the titan rtx, the 2080ti did have a significant increase in performance, if the 3090 does or does not we will find out tomorrow I guess.

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Acula:

Escrito originalmente por Monk:

Yeah, nothing (gaming related) needs more than about 6GB of vram, that some games ask for more and will be allocated all that's available doesn't mean it needs it or that it improves any performance.

I am betting that these cards are just vram increase, maybe a clock boost (pointless) and that's it at a premium price for those that may need the vram for non gaming purposes on a budget, but will be bought by those who see bigger number better and so on paper they match and beat AMD's 16GB offering, even if its not needed by the vast majority.

This statement is rather silly. You're looking at it from what is current in terms of games, visuals and so on but who says that it will stay that way? You can already see that 4k resolution becomes more and more popular when the technology allows for it and games will also move forward with higher resolution textures and various other new technological features.

Especially when you consider the ray tracing technology which is slowly getting started now and where we aren't even close to use the full potential. We have to consider the amount of performance that is actually required for that and the benefits it can bring in various areas.

So don't be like "this is not needed, because current games don't need it". If the game devs would throw games on the market that can't be handled by current tech, the same thing would happen as it did with Crysis back in 2007. So many people complained that they couldn't run Crysis on higher settings because the hardware just wasn't capable of doing it and the devs wanted to game to look awesome even several years after its initial release. To this day Crysis still looks amazing as a game but it caused a lot of problems for the dev studio (poor sales).

So yeah, if RTX cards with 20+ GB exist, the memory will be used at some point by games, because they can use it.

Not really, them having it alowcated and it being needed are two different things, honestly, I'd say we are years from NEEDING that much, as someone with 11GB cards I've seen 11GB 'used' in games for years, mind you these games don't need that much, they'll just take what ever is available, as I said, no game needs more than about 6GB right now, it's unlikely any game in the next 5 years will need more than 10GB, and, honestly, if you are buying a high end gpu, chances are, you are upgrading atleast every 2 generations.

[vadim]

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Acula:

This statement is rather silly.

Sorry, but no. This is what your message looks like. And Monk is totally right.
One of my old graphics is original GTX Titan. It has 6 GB VRAM. Other is GTX 780 Ti thst has only half of this amount. Both have exactly the same FPS in games on those settings where it makes sense to use them in modern games. Think about it.

[vadim]

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

just imagine those 1080p users that buys a 3080 with 20gb with their 2 generation old CPU, MB and then expect to run every single game on ultra with 100 fps...... This is what it will lead too.. in some months, you will see people complain about badly optimized games.... because they don´t understand what they are buying and should expect.

Let me rephrase your claim. You said "any modern Ryzen is useless for 4k gaming". Because it has worse gaming performance than 2 generations old Intel CPU. Do you still agree with your own statement in this form?
Another wording of your statement: "the higher the resolution at which you are going to play, the more powerful processor you need". I didn't say that. You said that.

[AdahnGorion]

Escrito originalmente por vadim:

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

just imagine those 1080p users that buys a 3080 with 20gb with their 2 generation old CPU, MB and then expect to run every single game on ultra with 100 fps...... This is what it will lead too.. in some months, you will see people complain about badly optimized games.... because they don´t understand what they are buying and should expect.

Let me rephrase your claim. You said "any modern Ryzen is useless for 4k gaming". Because it has worse gaming performance than 2 generations old Intel CPU. Do you still agree with your own statement in this form?
Another wording of your statement: "the higher the resolution at which you are going to play, the more powerful processor you need". I didn't say that. You said that.

No.. I said if you pair these modern cards (the high tier ones) with a 2 generation old mid/high tier CPU, MB and Ram, let alone SSD.. then you will not see the same gains as all these benchmark with the newest of newest hardware running on 4k or 1440p.............


Some people actually expect to see a 80% increase in fps in games on their 1080p system, with 4 year old hardware, just because they buy a 3080.......


I never said anything about res and cpu being in relation...... I don´t know why you keep pushing that agenda.. maybe you are angry at the facts?
It is pretty obvious, that these new high tier cards are focused on 1440p and 4k, rather than 1080p.... I reckon most people understand this.

[Edifier]

Escrito originalmente por carl:

https://youtu.be/dmmRNReTopo

I wouldn't say it'll be outdated.
https://www.youtube.com/user/2kliksphilip/videos
That guy tried 4K a lot and the RAM usage never went above the 10 GB RAM. It was most around 9 GB I believe.

So that newer version might not do that much for gaming.

[Monk]

That's because games will often call for all the vram possible incase it's needed, I e had games I've tried on 1080ti's and 2080ti with 11GB vram and also on vega 64 with 8GB and again on a pair of 980's with only 4GB, they will use as much as the card can supply, doesn't mean its needed as there was no stuttering on the cards with less vram, which is what happens when you run out of vram.

More recently, I've swapped back to my spare vega 64 after I sold my 2080ti, I have 3GB less vram, games that allocated 10-11GB before just allocate 7-8GB now, if games needed all 11GB, there no way games would run at all on 6 and 8GB cards, but people seem to think they need alot more than they do, it's like psu's, most people don't actually have a clue how much power they actually use, so sure, nvidia will sell a
8GB and 16GB 3070 along with the 10 and 20GB 3080's, and I suspect they will cost £100 more and will outsell the other even if the only difference is pointless capacity.

The only people who will need the extra memory are professionals on a budget who cannot afford / justify a 3090 or quadro just for the memory capacity, they are not for gamers.

[carl]

FYI, during my research into answers to some burning questions, youtube provides, though obviously not to be taken as a single source of truth...

https://youtu.be/tZFfaCoVKPs

https://youtu.be/spHBWMlzZII

https://youtu.be/iq8Vv-WqlIE

[AdahnGorion]

Escrito originalmente por carl:

FYI, during my research into answers to some burning questions, youtube provides, though obviously not to be taken as a single source of truth...

https://youtu.be/tZFfaCoVKPs

https://youtu.be/spHBWMlzZII

https://youtu.be/iq8Vv-WqlIE

^^

[SHREDDER]

Now we are one week after release and all RTX 3080 at least hefe in Greect cost 900+ euros. Iam waiting until they drop to their normal price to get one.

[SHREDDER]

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Escrito originalmente por vadim:

Let me rephrase your claim. You said "any modern Ryzen is useless for 4k gaming". Because it has worse gaming performance than 2 generations old Intel CPU. Do you still agree with your own statement in this form?
Another wording of your statement: "the higher the resolution at which you are going to play, the more powerful processor you need". I didn't say that. You said that.

No.. I said if you pair these modern cards (the high tier ones) with a 2 generation old mid/high tier CPU, MB and Ram, let alone SSD.. then you will not see the same gains as all these benchmark with the newest of newest hardware running on 4k or 1440p.............


Some people actually expect to see a 80% increase in fps in games on their 1080p system, with 4 year old hardware, just because they buy a 3080.......



The perfomance improvement that evryone will see in games, programs, e.t.c by upgrading the graphics also depends on what he/she currently has.
I that i have gtx 970 since November 2014 but i have upgraded evrything else sincet hen and now i have RYZEN 7 1700 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS and a high end SSD MP 600 2 TB that i got 2 months ago, i will see much more improvement than those who already have a much better graphics card like RTX 2070 or GTX 1080 TI. For those yes it is not worth ugprading to RTX 3080 they will not see much of improvement. But for me and those with gtx 1070 and gtx 1060 yes it will be huge perfomance like it was for me when i got the high end SSD.

[AdahnGorion]

Shredder I think the qoute got wrecked, since my stuff ends at the 2080........

Anyway, it is understandable that you want to wait, I also think the 900+ Euro is to steep, but this is not that unormal for the best AIB. Anyways... give it a few months and prices will change

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Escrito originalmente por SHREDDER:

Escrito originalmente por vadim:

I saw totally different results on another resource:

Metro Exodus, DXR OFF, 3840x2160: 36/55

First number is 1% min. See the difference? Even without raytracing this card cannot provide 60 FPS.
I do not even ask about Quake 2 RTX. Do you realise how low will be FPS in this game?

Of course, Quake 2 isn't most popular game nowadays. But there are a lit of games from Borderlands 3 to Control where RTX 3080 csn not provide sustained 60 FPS at 4k.

But it can run evryyhing at 1400p Ultra with ray tracing too which is whst matters to me as a 1440p owner. It can run Control Metro exodus shadow of tomb raider battlefield 5..... at 1440p Ultra/max settings with max ray travign at 60 fps and is the first card it can do it and is what i was waiting for. Now if it wasnt sold out evrwhere it would had been much easier for all of us to get it if it wasnt in low supply.

But I'd still ditch the use of any 60hz panel when it comes to gaming. Regardless of what actual fps you end up getting a high refresh display will be super smooth, non-ghosting and have better features generally all around compared to old and oudated 60hz panels.

And I'd always wait anyways. For one it pays to wait until drivers mature and games update further. Plus a few months may give way to price changes, better availability as well as just more model options in general. Plus we don't know how soon the Super or Ti could come and I for one would much rather have a more refined 3080 w/ 20GB vram then a release model that may have issues.

Ever since getting gtx 680 on launch day, I've since come to that realization that it only benefits the product maker and hardly ever the consumer. The release models will always be bought up, that's a given. Let those people with deeper pockets buy em all up and test them. And let them be the beta testers that helps lead to a better product refresh down the road and often more bang for your buck as well.

[carl]

Looking at the retailer websites for the AIB RTX 3070 there are a few models which have smaller dual slot twin fan coolers. They look pretty smaller than the beefy 3080s which is good for mini ITX builders.

[Dr.Acula]

So you may want to stay away from the 3090 if you are intending to only use it for gaming. Apparently it's a work station card that was marketed as a gaming card...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo

I honestly have been laughing pretty hard while watching this video...

[AdahnGorion]

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Acula:

So you may want to stay away from the 3090 if you are intending to only use it for gaming. Apparently it's a work station card that was marketed as a gaming card...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo

I honestly have been laughing pretty hard while watching this video...

Even the 3080 is overkill for many people.... All of us expected the 3090 to be a card for people that work with professional graphics rendering etc... not as a gaming card... the 8k talk is utterly silly.