7900XTX vs 4070Ti

[C1REX]

I’m planning to upgrade my aging 5700xt.
I need something 4K 60FPS capable.

I play single player games mostly on a gamepad.

The cheapest but still premium Sapphire Pulse 7900XTX 24GB costs £889 and I get Starfield Steam code with it. I would like to play the game but would probably wait for a sale.

The cheapest 4070Ti 12GB is about £788.

Any pros and cons of each choice?
Is 7900XTX worth extra £100 over nvidia’s 4070Ti?
Unfortunately 4080 is a bit over my budget.

I would be buying from overcklockers UK.

[Pocahawtness]

Escrito originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Escrito originalmente por Paraskeet:

4070ti:
+ better raytracing performance

7900xtx:
- raytracing performance is lacking

Nvidia has much better ray tracing BUT in this particular case with an exception of Cyberpunk these two cards have almost identical FPS in Ray Traced games.

Here is one of video benchmarks if somebody is interested.
https://youtu.be/6m21fInXsnU

And regarding the drivers I think it's so overblown it's almost a myth. My current 5700XT was my first AMD GPU and have no problems with drivers at all. Quite the opposite in fact and I'm very impressed with the drivers and overall software quality. Except DLSS and Frame generation. Nvidia is way ahead here.

Good choice and price.

And, yes, I think it is a myth. Although it used to be true, AMD have got their act together with drivers these days.

[r.linder]

I had a completely different experience with drivers with a 5700-XT, it's basically a lottery roll since some AMD users have no problems yet others have many.

[Gökyüzü]

Main diffrences between those 2 card is power consumption.
While 4070ti is very efficient we cant say the same for 7900xtx.
It maybe more powerfull then 4070ti but in a long term it will acualy cost much more money then you have bargain for

[r.linder]

Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

Main diffrences between those 2 card is power consumption.
While 4070ti is very efficient we cant say the same for 7900xtx.
It maybe more powerfull then 4070ti but in a long term it will acualy cost much more money then you have bargain for

You can say the same for the 4090, but undervolting is always an option

You can get the 4090 down to around 270W for example while losing ~10% of its performance, it's not hard to undervolt the 7900-XTX either

[C1REX]

Escrito originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

I had a completely different experience with drivers with a 5700-XT, it's basically a lottery roll since some AMD users have no problems yet others have many.

I think there were some problems for the first few months on RDNA1. AMD had such a bad press they invested money and increased driver team within the company.

Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

Main diffrences between those 2 card is power consumption.
While 4070ti is very efficient we cant say the same for 7900xtx.
It maybe more powerfull then 4070ti but in a long term it will acualy cost much more money then you have bargain for

That is unfortunately true and especially in UK. It’s very possible that my GPU costs more than 4080 within 4 years. Depends how many hours per year I play at 100% GPU utilisation.
I was initially planning to skip this generation but got a bit worried about AI GPU shortage. Also rumours of delayed next gen and no high end at all.

[C1REX]

Escrito originalmente por Heretic:

The issue here is that "base raster" can be done on any decent card. DLSS and RT generally go together (DLSS helps with the RT demand), so if you just want a good card without the modern bells and whistles then these new AMD cards may well be overkill.

I play on a 4K 120Hz gaming TV and
7900xtx definitely doesn’t feel like an overkill even for just raster at high settings and no RT. And we are still waiting for some big UE5 games. Many current games were optimised for potato ps4 and are still demanding.

[Pocahawtness]

Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

Main diffrences between those 2 card is power consumption.
While 4070ti is very efficient we cant say the same for 7900xtx.
It maybe more powerfull then 4070ti but in a long term it will acualy cost much more money then you have bargain for

The main difference is the memory.

Two years ago, 8GB was considered a good amount of memory for a GPU. Today it's 12GB. In two years time it will probably be 16GB. The 7900xtx is good for many years to come, the 4070ti will be looking dated in two years time. Not to mention the fact that the 4070ti memory bus limitations means it's not so good with 4K, which OP said he wants.

[skOsH♥]

Escrito originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

RTX 4070 Ti is about RX 7900 XT performance, weaker in some games that utilize more VRAM.
RX 7900 XTX is considerably better then RTX 4070 Ti and will remain relevant longer with extra VRAM. If you want ray tracing just bite the bullet and get RTX 4080.

Also make sure you have good PSU, power draw is considerably higher on those cards compared to RX 5700 XT. RX 7900 XTX takes three 8-pin connectors and 850W PSU, preferably 1000W if you have high energy consumption CPU as well.

Im using a 850w psu with an xtx

It does ray tracing as well

[Illusion of Progress]

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Escrito originalmente por Pirate☠️Pocah:

Two years ago, 8GB was considered a good amount of memory for a GPU. Today it's 12GB. In two years time it will probably be 16GB.

That was then, this is now. 32 GB RAM is the minimum for get better FPS response on some AAA video games.

They were referring to VRAM, not system RAM.

[Karumati]

Escrito originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Escrito originalmente por Guydodge:

i'd have to give the edge right now to the 4070ti with dlss 3.0 which you will
probably be using.now weather the 16gb will come into play later remains to be seen
and if you want raytracing theres no question.its really a question how are you using it.

The games I play are usually console ports designed for a gamepad. So games like Returnal, Resident Evil, The Last Of Us, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy etc.

I would like to have DLSS3 and Ray tracing.
My worry is that I play on a gamepad and there is little benefit to have more than 60fps and not sure how useful it would be to generate frames from 40 to 60 for example.
I know AMD is planning to release FSR3 but it will likely be worse as usual.

That 12GB VRAM is my main worry. Probably plenty at 1440p but is it enough for 4K? I have a 50’ screen and 4K make a big difference.

You can play at 1440p with your 4k screen. That’s what I personally do with my 3090, 1440p120> 4k with less fps

[C1REX]

Escrito originalmente por Karumati:

You can play at 1440p with your 4k screen. That’s what I personally do with my 3090, 1440p120> 4k with less fps

I know I can play but for me personally 4K60 > 1440p 120fps.
I understand it's an unpopular opinion but that's my preference. I play on a big 50' screen where there is very noticeable difference in image quality.
Also, and that's maybe more important, I play on a controller. If I was playing on mouse and keyboard then I definitely would want at least 90fps and 120fps preferably. 100%. No doubt.
Even desktop feels trash at 60Hz.
But on a controller the feeling is so different. It's bizarre but even 30fps is playable. Not desirable but playable. I play console ports mostly. Some of them even have hard 60fps cap (Sekiro, Elden Ring, Street Fighter, Tekken, etc)

Luckily I can get 4K120FPS in most games with RT off. The upgrade from 5700XT is insane.

[Karumati]

Escrito originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Escrito originalmente por Karumati:

You can play at 1440p with your 4k screen. That’s what I personally do with my 3090, 1440p120> 4k with less fps

I know I can play but for me personally 4K60 > 1440p 120fps.
I understand it's an unpopular opinion but that's my preference. I play on a big 50' screen where there is very noticeable difference in image quality.
Also, and that's maybe more important, I play on a controller. If I was playing on mouse and keyboard then I definitely would want at least 90fps and 120fps preferably. 100%. No doubt.
Even desktop feels trash at 60Hz.
But on a controller the feeling is so different. It's bizarre but even 30fps is playable. Not desirable but playable. I play console ports mostly. Some of them even have hard 60fps cap (Sekiro, Elden Ring, Street Fighter, Tekken, etc)

Luckily I can get 4K120FPS in most games with RT off. The upgrade from 5700XT is insane.

I play on 4k 120hz oled tv @ 1440p120hz since 4k is too demanding with rt