Pasta_power 2015 年 9 月 25 日 上午 11:27
Looking to Upgrade Rig, Need Suggestions
Alright. So my computer hardware is starting to get rather old now, and I want to upgrade it. I'm looking to get some new hardware that's average-ish on a low $500-ish budget. I want a setup that will run all my current games smooth (preferrably 60FPS), and run near-future releases (such as RCTW) smooth for a good year or so. Feel free to check my steam library to help decide what kind of performance boosts I might want.

Here are my specs:

4 GB RAM

AMD Athlon II X2 250 processor - 3GHz CPU

860 GB hard-drive; and I don't care about upgrading this at all, ignore it.

AMD Radeon HD 6670 GPU.

ASUS M4A78LT-M LE motherboard. Already supports up to 8 GB of RAM unbuffered.

Here's what I want to upgrade:

Somewhere between 8-16 GB RAM, as a few of my games can use a lot of RAM.

Motherboard, to one that's fairly cheap, can support 8-16 gigs of ram (depending on how much I get), and support any CPU or GPU decently better than what I currently have.

Current CPU to a new, marginally faster processor with good utilization of individual cores. I don't care about overclocking for this one, and might not even need to upgrade it either.

GPU

Please let me know if I missed anything.

最後修改者:Pasta_power; 2015 年 10 月 4 日 下午 3:55
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chiefputsilao✖️ping 2015 年 9 月 25 日 上午 11:37 
i5-4460 + asus b85 board to i5-4690k + asus z97 + coolermaster hyper 212 evo cooler
2x4gb ddr3-1600 to 2x8gb dr3-1600 memory
nvidia gtx 960/970/980980ti gpu
quality psu like seasonic 600w+
2tb seagate hdd + optional 256gb+ ssd
coolermaster n300 pc case
windows 10 64bit OS
Darren 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 12:31 
Try getting a second hand AMD Phenom 2 a six-core proceesor if you can and wait for Zen in 2016

Also if your motherboard allows upgrade to 8GB of ram you will need it to play many of the newer games on the market.
最後修改者:rotNdude; 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 12:41
SJM88 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 12:52 
what motherboard do you have? You should be able to upgrade to a phenom II x4 or x6 processor for a moderate performance increase... the phenom II x4 945 is what im using at the moment, runs stock at 3.0ghz and i've managed to get it to 3.4ghz overclocked. if you have 4 ram slots then just get 4x2gb ddr2/3 sticks whatever it needs, if not then 2x4gb or 8gb sticks will do you great.
im running a GTX 660Ti and get around 45 FPS (On average) despite its lack of optimization. You could get a bundle deal with CPU ram and processor on ebay? you could get an board with coupled APU and buy a graphics card later if the APU isn't performing the way you want.
_I_ 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 4:16 
whats your budget for the new build?

cpu = 1150-1151 pentium g, i3, i5, i7
mobo = b85-z97-z170
ram = ddr3 2x4g 1600+ cl9- 1.5v-, or ddr4 2133+ cl12-
cooler = stock or 212evo or h80-105
hdd = seagate/wd 2-4tb 7200rpm 64mb cache (not green)
ssd = 240+g intel, samsung, crucial, mushkin
gpu = r9 280/380+ or gtx 960+
psu = 550+w seasonic built
case = any with bottom mount psu, usb 3.0 ports, top fans

even a pentium g will be alot faster than an aii x2 at similar clocks
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/766/AMD_Athlon_II_X2_250_%28rev._C3%29_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html
Winchester Molester 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 4:25 
hello, im new to steam and i want to get a steam machine this christmas.
And i was wondering if i can play every steam game on there or only linux/steam os.
SundownKid 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 4:54 
引用自 ethanowens1998
hello, im new to steam and i want to get a steam machine this christmas.
And i was wondering if i can play every steam game on there or only linux/steam os.
You should really make a new topic about it. But no, Steam Machines can only play Steam OS games. You may want to consider learning to build a budget priced PC instead, people will be glad to give you suggestions on parts.
_I_ 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 5:03 
steamos is linux, only games ported to linux will work on it

you can install windows on a steambox, how well it will run games will depend on its specs
最後修改者:_I_; 2015 年 9 月 25 日 下午 5:03
[1stA]nicknjo™ 2015 年 9 月 26 日 下午 4:54 
this will sort you out and piss on the intel boyz

mobo asus sabertooth (amd type) this has studio surround sound on board far better than dolby surround sound
AMD octacore (8cores) @ 3.61 ghz (giving a total of 28.8 ghz on the FSB)
16 gig ram corsair 1600 fsb DDR3
2x Nvidia gtx 580's in sli mode 3 gig mem each
Noctua cooler for the processor
HAF 932 case

there is better out there BUT this will NOT break your bank !
vadim 2015 年 9 月 26 日 下午 5:15 
引用自 nicknjo™
AMD octacore (8cores) @ 3.61 ghz (giving a total of 28.8 ghz on the FSB)
Most meaningless phrase which I ever heard...
引用自 nicknjo™
16 gig ram corsair 1600 fsb DDR3
Can you forget about FSB, please? It ancient. There is no such bus anymore.
引用自 nicknjo™
2x Nvidia gtx 580's in sli mode 3 gig mem each
There is nothing more stupid than buy obsolete Fermi graphics today. May be only to buy obsolete FX-8350. At least, Fermi was successful architecture. Alas, you cannot say the same about Bulldozer. Or Piledriver. No big difference - its all the same.
Pasta_power 2015 年 10 月 4 日 下午 3:02 
Hey guys! Sorry about abandoning this thread earlier, as I just was distracted a lot recently by life in general.

So anyways, plans changed, and i'm now under a tight budget of roughly 500$, which may sound a little extreme, but that's about all I can afford for this year.

What I'm looking for is 8-16 gigs of ram (I could easily settle for 8), a motherboard that supports it, and any decent CPUs and GPUs that could be bought cheap (and are better than the ones I currently have). In terms of CPUs, I don't really overclock myself, so having one that has a better frequency (GHz (even marginally)) by default and with minimal overclocking features would be ideal. I might not even need a new CPU, due to the fact that my laptop CPU is only 2.1GHz, yet my laptop runs many games fairly smooth. I don't know how to measure how good my GPU, or any upgrades to it are.

I updated the OP btw.


最後修改者:Pasta_power; 2015 年 10 月 4 日 下午 3:48
ee 2015 年 10 月 4 日 下午 6:08 
This is an increasing problem with dual cores. Quad cores are going to overtake dual cores for you typical steam box soon, and the list of games that make use of more than two cores is already taking off. So I wouldn't go with anything under 4 threads just so that my build wouldn't outdate within a year or two of building it.

A Mobo upgrade itself won't do anything! You need either a cpu upgrade (a quad Phenom 960T is compatible and clocks higher than compatible 6-cores) or a mobo+cpu+ram upgrade. The latter is the best choice; part out the existing hardware, the video card included (a low wattage lowest end R7.240 outperforms the older hd6670) for ~$50.

The newest quad core A8/A10 builds run in the range around $300/$350.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m3gTkL (I think the SSHD only adds around $20 and are well worth it, especially along with a tiny ~$20 SSD for mounting /usr/, for general use and gaming responsiveness.)

The above is good enough for the usual general purpose gaming; sims, modern strategy; most modern fps but on medium settings (it will beat high end gaming laptops), but for more serious gaming a discrete video card and a 4-8 thread CPU $350-$550 for a mid range gaming build (Athlon 860K and higher).

If I were you I'd sink about $100 ± $25 into a modern capable gaming card and sell that older card to someone who can use it for an older gen A8 dual graphics setup (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqT1U3XR8dM). So, recover about $30 for the gpu and maybe $10 for your old board and cpu and a little for the old ram. Then sink in $350 ± $50 for something modern and capable.

_I_ 2015 年 10 月 4 日 下午 6:21 
that a10 is the price of the i5 4460
and you can get a decent b85 board for not much more than $40

2133 cl10 1.6v is kinda sad
get a 1866+ cl9- 1.5-v kit instead

sshd has a 8g ssd part, not big enough for the os, will speed up some things, but is still a slow hdd

logisys psu, take the bomb out and get a psu with working protections atlest


if he ever plans on getting a better gpu, i3/i5 is the way to go

its $30 more for an i5 and gtx750
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/McPnD3

will run circles around the apus cpu, and gtx750 is much better than its gpu
Pasta_power 2015 年 10 月 5 日 下午 12:44 
引用自 ee
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Why would games need to utilize more cores with lower frequency, as opposed to only a few cores with higher frequency (dual core 3ghz as opposed to quad-core 2.1ghz). From what i understand, CPU frequency (in ghz) is the total combined speed of the CPU from all cores, and the purpose of having more cores is so that the computer can allocate more of the CPU to different programs and applications. Something along those lines. Also, what are threads?

I kind of figured that out after a while. I ended up thinking I could upgrade my mobo so that I can easily upgrade my GPU/CPU with less hassle when i do later, but I might've changed my mind on that as well.

My laptop uses an A8 elite quad core, which I believe is identical to what you mentioned. I want my desktop PC to be at least marginally better than my laptop. Could you please explain to me what an SSD/SSHD is?

I also don't sell my older hardware, but rather hold onto it. So selling older hardware to make upgrades affordable isn't an option i'm afraid.


Anyways, by now I've pretty much decided what I want to get for now. It's going to be just more RAM, and maybe a new GPU. This computer hardware thing is so complicated, it's making me tired...
Meurock460 2015 年 10 月 5 日 下午 1:28 
引用自 Pasta_power
引用自 ee
*TEXT*

Why would games need to utilize more cores with lower frequency, as opposed to only a few cores with higher frequency (dual core 3ghz as opposed to quad-core 2.1ghz). From what i understand, CPU frequency (in ghz) is the total combined speed of the CPU from all cores, and the purpose of having more cores is so that the computer can allocate more of the CPU to different programs and applications. Something along those lines. Also, what are threads?

I kind of figured that out after a while. I ended up thinking I could upgrade my mobo so that I can easily upgrade my GPU/CPU with less hassle when i do later, but I might've changed my mind on that as well.

My laptop uses an A8 elite quad core, which I believe is identical to what you mentioned. I want my desktop PC to be at least marginally better than my laptop. Could you please explain to me what an SSD/SSHD is?

I also don't sell my older hardware, but rather hold onto it. So selling older hardware to make upgrades affordable isn't an option i'm afraid.


Anyways, by now I've pretty much decided what I want to get for now. It's going to be just more RAM, and maybe a new GPU. This computer hardware thing is so complicated, it's making me tired...
Games are starting to use more cores now though. I have an Athlon 250 at 3GHZ myself, I can tell you that in newer games, it just keels over completely. It also bottlenecks (holds back) a Radeon 270 badly.

If you don't want to change out your motherboard, dropping a phenom X4 in there will be better for newer games. It will allow you to run a better GPU without bottlenecking too much.
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