Video Card for A10-7850K ?

[76561198081763615]

Hi guys, a friend, some months ago, built a setup with:
CPU: AMD A10-7850K
RAM: 8 GB 2400Mhz Fury (2x4 GB)
PSU: Thermaltake Smart SE 530W
COOLER: Cooler Master T4 Evo
MOBO: FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX
Now he want/can buy a videocard, but he can't change CPU. Which VGA he could buy ? No preferences, price around GTX 950Ti or GTX 960 which we have looked for. In case of 960, the CPU will bottleneck, how will be the performances in game ?
Thanks for helping :D

[Meurock460]

The GTX 950 would be a good choice thanks to it's low power draw. I'm not sure how good quality that PSU is. There isn't a massive difference in performance between the 950 and 960 anyway.

There may be some bottleneck from the CPU but overclocking it should help a little. If you are coming from the onboard APU graphics, there will still be a massive improvement in FPS, even if the CPU does bottleneck slightly.

[_I_]

keep the apus gpu for the cpu
its a good match for the cpu with fast ram

if you plan on upgrading to an i3/i5 build, go with a gtx 960 or better

[76561198081763615]

引用自 Meurock372：

The GTX 950 would be a good choice thanks to it's low power draw. I'm not sure how good quality that PSU is. There isn't a massive difference in performance between the 950 and 960 anyway.

There may be some bottleneck from the CPU but overclocking it should help a little. If you are coming from the onboard APU graphics, there will still be a massive improvement in FPS, even if the CPU does bottleneck slightly.

Yeah, I know there will be improvement, but my question is if the configuration with 950/960 will run next gen games kinda Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Need For Speed, Tomb Raider and similiar ?Doesn't matter the quality, he want only a 30+ fps in 1920x1080

[Meurock460]

引用自 Growah：

引用自 Meurock372：

The GTX 950 would be a good choice thanks to it's low power draw. I'm not sure how good quality that PSU is. There isn't a massive difference in performance between the 950 and 960 anyway.

There may be some bottleneck from the CPU but overclocking it should help a little. If you are coming from the onboard APU graphics, there will still be a massive improvement in FPS, even if the CPU does bottleneck slightly.

Yeah, I know there will be improvement, but my question is if the configuration with 950/960 will run next gen games kinda Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Need For Speed, Tomb Raider and similiar ?Doesn't matter the quality, he want only a 30+ fps in 1920x1080

In that case go for the GTX 960 as the 4gb model may be more useful for next gen games as the newer stuff is becoming more VRAM intensive (some games can and will make use of 3gb or more VRAM)

Try and get the A10 up to 4.3 - 4.5GHZ, this will help reduce any occuring bottleneck.

[76561198081763615]

You've been very helpful :D .I'll try to overclock a bit the A10 and at worst he could play anything in 720 or Low Setting in 1080, right (?)

[Meurock460]

引用自 Growah：

You've been very helpful :D .I'll try to overclock a bit the A10 and at worst he could play anything in 720 or Low Setting in 1080, right (?)

You should be able to play most new games on high 1080p with at least 30fps. At worst you may how to lower some settings to medium.

[76561198081763615]

引用自 Meurock372：

引用自 Growah：

You've been very helpful :D .I'll try to overclock a bit the A10 and at worst he could play anything in 720 or Low Setting in 1080, right (?)

You should be able to play most new games on high 1080p with at least 30fps. At worst you may how to lower some settings to medium.

Thanks again for being so helpful :D

[initiaLiSeD]

NVidia cards tend to be more CPU dependent that AMD cards, but AMD cards tend to need more power for the same performance. With the 530W TT PSU a GTX 960 is a good fit, to get the same performance with AMD you'd need a 7970/280X/380X which need a 750W PSU.

You can get around any NVidia bottlenecking by overclocking your CPU using the FSB and boosting your RAM speed.

[Meurock460]

引用自 initiaLiSeD：

NVidia cards tend to be more CPU dependent that AMD cards, but AMD cards tend to need more power for the same performance. With the 530W TT PSU a GTX 960 is a good fit, to get the same performance with AMD you'd need a 7970/280X/380X which need a 750W PSU.

You can get around any NVidia bottlenecking by overclocking your CPU using the FSB and boosting your RAM speed.

He should also be able to raise the multiplier, since I'm fairly sure the A10 7850k is unlocked.

[76561198081763615]

引用自 initiaLiSeD：

NVidia cards tend to be more CPU dependent that AMD cards, but AMD cards tend to need more power for the same performance. With the 530W TT PSU a GTX 960 is a good fit, to get the same performance with AMD you'd need a 7970/280X/380X which need a 750W PSU.

You can get around any NVidia bottlenecking by overclocking your CPU using the FSB and boosting your RAM speed.

The ram is currently running at 2400mhz (its maximum), and I already overclocked two point in the multiplier.

[ee]

4.3 - 4.5GHZ Wow, that is incredible if it can be done. Does it need water cooling for that sort of O/C?? I'm guessing it might draw ~150W at those speeds. What thermal compounds do you guys recommend? I'm going with AS Ceramique and stock fans and I'd have to say it's so-so; I was expecting more from the ceramique I think I might splurge on real silver next time even though it's a bit of a waste of good resources.

As for build above, I''m thinking a dual graphics setup with a 2GB R7 250 or a better and dual graphics compatible R7 300 series would give plenty of GPU power, at least for those games that supported it. Could you OC the iGPU to bring the clockrates somewhat closer to that of the R7 250, like the 7870k does (866MHz)?

As for the advantage of going discrete GPU, it would allow you to OC the CPU more; but you would waste those iGPUs and the good effect of that together with the fast RAM. With the current power supply and the OC-ing, would it be good to go with a GPU rated under or at 150W?

[Meurock460]

引用自 ee：

4.3 - 4.5GHZ Wow, that is incredible if it can be done. Does it need water cooling for that sort of O/C?? I'm guessing it might draw ~150W at those speeds. What thermal compounds do you guys recommend? I'm going with AS Ceramique and stock fans and I'd have to say it's so-so; I was expecting more from the ceramique I think I might splurge on real silver next time even though it's a bit of a waste of good resources.

As for build above, I''m thinking a dual graphics setup with a 2GB R7 250 or a better and dual graphics compatible R7 300 series would give plenty of GPU power, at least for those games that supported it. Could you OC the iGPU to bring the clockrates somewhat closer to that of the R7 250, like the 7870k does (866MHz)?

As for the advantage of going discrete GPU, it would allow you to OC the CPU more; but you would waste those iGPUs and the good effect of that together with the fast RAM. With the current power supply and the OC-ing, would it be good to go with a GPU rated under or at 150W?

A hyper 212 would probably get you to 4.2GHZ perhaps more. Something like a Corsair H75 or Noctua NH - D14 would likely get you higher at around 4.5GHZ. It depends on the motherboard also, ideally you want one with an 8 pin connector and VRM heatsinks.

[Spyder]

kaveris or godovaris I only use or recommend for ultra budget cheaper then entry level gaming, like a steam box, really only good for pairing in hybrid crossfire with an R5 250 or something I think at most which in the long run value wise is not worth it, for same price you can get quad FX with better video dedicatged no crossfire

[initiaLiSeD]

引用自 Meurock372：

引用自 initiaLiSeD：

NVidia cards tend to be more CPU dependent that AMD cards, but AMD cards tend to need more power for the same performance. With the 530W TT PSU a GTX 960 is a good fit, to get the same performance with AMD you'd need a 7970/280X/380X which need a 750W PSU.

You can get around any NVidia bottlenecking by overclocking your CPU using the FSB and boosting your RAM speed.

He should also be able to raise the multiplier, since I'm fairly sure the A10 7850k is unlocked.

Yes but do both where possible, an FSB OC gives memory bandwidth than a pure multi OC.

[initiaLiSeD]

引用自 ee：

4.3 - 4.5GHZ Wow, that is incredible if it can be done. Does it need water cooling for that sort of O/C?? I'm guessing it might draw ~150W at those speeds. What thermal compounds do you guys recommend? I'm going with AS Ceramique and stock fans and I'd have to say it's so-so; I was expecting more from the ceramique I think I might splurge on real silver next time even though it's a bit of a waste of good resources.

As for build above, I''m thinking a dual graphics setup with a 2GB R7 250 or a better and dual graphics compatible R7 300 series would give plenty of GPU power, at least for those games that supported it. Could you OC the iGPU to bring the clockrates somewhat closer to that of the R7 250, like the 7870k does (866MHz)?

As for the advantage of going discrete GPU, it would allow you to OC the CPU more; but you would waste those iGPUs and the good effect of that together with the fast RAM. With the current power supply and the OC-ing, would it be good to go with a GPU rated under or at 150W?

You can usually adjust the iGPU clocks to match a low end card but going for a card like the 960 will give much higher performance than a dual graphics solution.

Try 250x18 or 225x20 for a 4.5GHz OC rather than a straight multiplier OC.